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Naruto's Moon size and mass need a check.

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Ryuuzakiscorpio

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Using Toneri's profile: At least Continent level+ (Sliced the moon in half)This needs to be check.

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The Moon's level feet of every Naruto character is based on a Hollow Moon, we know it haves a castle, a forest, Wildlife, etc.

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Quoted from the Wiki, "In The Last: Naruto the Movie, the moon itself from outside seems to have a harsh, barren, and lifeless environment with a landscape consisting of many craters, canyons, and mountains. It also seems to be bigger than the moon in real life, having earth-like gravity and an oxygen-enriched atmosphere even on the surface. However, beneath the surface there is a small city-sized cavern, relative to the size of the moon, that has a vast body of water, the size of a large sea and there are floating terrains, and a lush forest. One of the terrains holds the ancient ruins of the Ōtsutsuki's ninja village. However, unlike Earth, everything in here is floating away and reversed in position (the sky below and anything else above). Every living thing in the Moon's interior is supported by an artificial sun where the Ōtsutsuki's Tenseiga is stored."

"Inside the moon's interior there are many trees growing as well as insects (such as fireflies) and spiders. There is also evidence that cattle and agricultural crops are also there; in a scene, Toneri and Hinata dined on various foods, suggesting the moon dwellers were capable of sustaining themselves. A large (now ruined) ancient city, where the Ōtsutsuki lived in the past, is also located here. There is a broken Hamura's statue and some ancient writings on the wall about Ōtsutsuki clan and Tenseigan, near its symbol, on the floor there is a secret entrance which opens and gives access to stairway leading to the basement where the cemetery of main family of Ōtsutsuki clan is located"

M = m = Mass of half the moon = 3.674* 10^(22) kg G = gravitational constant = 6.67* 10^(-11)

Our Original Mass of the Moon is: 7.34767309 × 1022 kilograms

Earth is 80 times the volume than the Moo, but both are about the same age.

The Moons Volume is 2.1958×1010 km3

Earth's Volume is 1.08321×1012 km3

The concept about moon's interior and its environment may be a reference from Earth's interior in Jules Verne's science fiction novel Journey to the Center of the Earth, where both places have exotic environment that capable to sustain any life forms supported by their respective core.

Everything from the volume to the Mass, even the attack potency is wrong. Based on this alone.

Their moon is different from ours, someone needs to calculate this again. ASAP.
 
"The Moon's level feet of every Naruto character is based on a Hollow Moo, we know it haves a castle, a forest, Wildlife, etc."

This is incorrect. Even if The Last didn't exist, Naruto and Sasuke would still be Moon level via powerscaling to Madara.

Also the moon in Naruto is bigger than our Moon, so the current calculation for Toneri's feat (Which uses our Moons size) is a low end.
 
The Moon was made with Chibaku Tensei, meaning all does satellites are Hollow inside.

Kaguya was held inside of one, Naruto was too during his fight with Pain.
 
The moon is not hollow.

Hollow means empty, and the moon isn't empty inside, even if is hollow, is only a portion.

Anyway, Toneri would still split a normal moon, he splitted the moon effortesly without sweating.
 
The Moon is hollow completely theirs only a few islands floating inside of it. Splitting a Hollow Moon is not the same as splitting a real moon with Mass and Volume.
 
@Ryuuzakiscorpio

The Moon in Naruto is bigger than the Moon in real life. This means that even if a portion of the Moon is "hollow" it will still result in Continent level+, which means the God Tiers will still be Moon level.
 
The moon is not hollow completely, if the moon would be hollow completely, Toneri's statement about destroying the Earth using the Moon would be pointless.
 
The core is also surrounded by numerous floating islands, with each island having a mountain, one of which houses Hamura's Shrine.

Hinata and Toneri notice Hamura's temple
"The moon is not hollow completely, if the moon would be hollow completely, Toneri's statement about destroying the Earth using the Moon would be pointless."

Is not my fault there's a BS plothole in the story. Also, he wasn't sure it would destroy the Earth. He wanted to destroy it because of what he had experience from them. He never tried to do it before so he could be sure it would destroy the Earth completely. Even the 5 kage couldn't risk it, that's why the Raikage had the canon. "A security measure,"
 
"It also seems to be bigger than the moon in real life, having earth-like gravity and an..."

Is not a fact, is speculation. It says it seems, not that it is.

You can say something seems to be big, but that doesn't mean that it is.
 
"Is not a fact, is speculation. Because you can say something seems to be that big and it ins't. "

The Naruto Moon being bigger than ours does not come from The Last. The Naruto planet has been calculated to be bigger than Earth, and you can see the planet compared to the Moon in The Last.

So yes, it is a fact that the Naruto planet is bigger than Earth, and their Moon is bigger than ours.
 
How is a plothole when he was trying to destroy the Earth using the Moon with the power of the Tenseigan?

Chunks of the Moon was using like meteors trying to destroy the Earth.

Anyway, prove it that the Moon is hollow completely.

Having only a portion of Hollow as it was showed doesn't mean the moon is empty completely inside.
 
There is no canon evidence or fact to say or show it. *facepalm* The Moon looks bigger because is shown from a far away distance.
 
This comes directly from the Wiki: The core of the moon is surrounded by numerous floating islands, with each island having a mountain, one of which houses Hamura's Shrine.
Hinata and Toneri notice Hamura's temple
Snapshot 3 (7-20-2015 12-53 AM)
 
"The Naruto Moon being bigger than ours does not come from The Last. The Naruto planet has been calculated to be bigger than Earth, and you can see the planet compared to the Moon in The Last. "

I'm clarifying that the only times that the Moon was shown to be bigger was when it was shown from a far away distance. You can't say is bigger because of that.
 
@Ryuuzakiscorpio

I was referring to the moment in The Last when the 5 Kage were meeting, and you could see geocentric model of the planet and the moon compared.
 
Snapshot 1 (7-18-2015 10-35 PM)
If you are going by this, remember that the holograms that it's shown here is a 3D 360 hologram, you can see the distance between them as they verify the Moon trajectory in that moment.
 
It looks like the Naruto Moon is similar in size compared to their planet, like our own moon http://i1.wp.com/www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/earthmoon.png

Also why are you even arguing about this? I already posted a comment that said "Even if The Last didn't exist, Naruto and Sasuke would still be Moon level via powerscaling to Madara." Naruto and Sasuke would still be Moon level, even if The Last did not exist so why are you arguing about this?
 
I think that he wants Toneri's level to be recalculated.
 
You can ask the calculation group if this is enough information to make the feat quantifiable here.
 
Because the Moon was made with Chibaku Tensei, meaning all does satellites are Hollow inside. The prove to this is that Kaguya was held inside of one, Naruto was too during his fight with Pain and now the moon is hollow too.

This comes directly from the Wiki: The core of the moon is surrounded by numerous floating islands, with each island having a mountain, one of which houses Hamura's Shrine.
Snapshot 3 (7-20-2015 12-53 AM)
Hinata and Toneri notice Hamura's temple


I argue because something with less Mass and Volumen can't be counted as feet. Yeah does satellites cause damage to the Earth but not enough to be Moon Level if they were that the Earth in Naruto wouldn't have last to even see the day in The Last Movie.

They should be at least Continent level at best. Becuase that raindrop didn't even cover a full continent in sizes.
 
"They should be at least Continent level at best. Becuase that raindrop didn't even cover a full continent in sizes."

Madara isn't Moon level in AoE. He is only Moon level in potentcy. AoE is not equal to potentcy.

Naruto is Moon level in potetncy, but he can only blow up a Small Country at best in AoE.

You are trying to rate Madara by his AoE " Becuase that raindrop didn't even cover a full continent in sizes" which isn't how he is rated.
 
Again, the Moon is not hollow COMPLETELY because is hollow in the part of his core.

You're sounding like the Moon is hollow like a Coconut.
 
"Madara isn't Moon level in AoE. He is only Moon level in potentcy. AoE is not equal to potentcy."

Exactly, if the satellites are hollow, because of Chibaku Tensei they have to be calculated again.

Becuase you can't measure a full-size rock in mass and volume as a whole if they are missing almost half of the content inside.
 
"Exactly, if the satellites are hollow, because of Chibaku Tensei they have to be calculated again."

Madara's Chibaku Tensei's weren't hollow. In every single instance that the CT were "hollow" it was when something was sealed in them.

For Naruto's Moon, it wasn't hollow as it was carved out after it was created. Nagato's CT weren't hollow either.
 
"Again, the Moon is not hollow COMPLETELY because is hollow in the part of his core.

You're sounding like the Moon is hollow like a Coconut."

The moon is not completely Hollow is obvious because it haves a surface. But most of the moon is Hollow.

Is like something like this.

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In the core of the moon (red dot) is surrounded by numerous floating islands, with each island having mountains and forest, one of which houses Hamura's Shrine.

Why do you think the vessel powers the artificial sun inside of the moon?

And how easy was for Toneri to send them flying to the surface.
 
About Madara and Pain they were shown to be Hollow and you have no evidence to prove that they wouldn't hollow. And the Moon:

Since you say that the Moon you was "created" let say what the Wiki says "The moon was created by the first jinchüriki, the Sage of the Six Paths, through his and his brother's füinjutsu."

"In a fit of envy that her own sons had inherited her chakra, Kaguya combined with the Shinju itself and turned against them in the form of the monstrous Ten-Tails. Their intense battle ended with Hagoromo and Hamura separating and absorbing their mother's powerful chakra while sealing her body to form the core of a celestial body that would become known as the moo."

She was sealed with Chibaku Tensai again proving what I said, that it is Hollow.
 
The very definition of the CT proves they aren't hollow "black sphere from his hands which acts as a centre of gravity, drawing in everything in its surroundings to create an enormous satellite-like construct."

Neither Madara's nor Pain's CT were hollow.

Also about your wiki source " while sealing her body to form the core of a celestial body that would become known as the moon" The only hollow part of the Moon was the part that had the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. The other portion of the moon that is hollow, was created by the Ōtsutsuki clan.
 
No, most of the moon is not hollow but a only a small part.

Chibaku Tensei's inital state, look how small is here:

Chibaku tensei1


CT was getting bigger with the chunks of rocks.

Chibaku tensei2


And even bigger getting more chunks of rocks:

Chibaku tensei3


And still was getting even bigger:

Chibaku tensei4


The moon has a only small part being hollow, not most of the moon is hollow.

Even Nagato said his CT is nothing compared to Hagoromo's.
 
Nowhere in any wiki says that they created that portion of the moon.

"Hamura later departed along with the rest of the Ōtsutsuki clan to the moon to guard his mother's remains, while Hagoromo stayed in order to spread chakra to humanity and teach them the concept of Ninshü.[4][5][6][7][1]"

"Hamura, succeeding to the leadership of the clan, later departed along with the rest of the Ōtsutsuki to the moon in order to guard their late princess (something they weren't aware of, thinking it to be only the Shinju), while Hagoromo would stay in order to spread chakra to humanity and teach them the concept of Ninshü."


You miss this part, "Though he noted that his usage was inferior to that of the Sage of the Six Paths, Nagato's use of this technique was strong enough to both hold out against a Tailed Beast Ball and incapacitate Naruto Uzumaki in his six-tailed form,[2] though it failed to contain Naruto after he transformed into his eight-tailed form.[3]"


Which proves me right yet again.
 
Regardless whether or not you are right, you will probably need to adjust the pushy and demanding attitude if you are going to stay in this wiki. It turns exhausting for everybody else to constantly deal with. Thank you.
 
How does any of that prove me wrong?

The only portion of the Moon that was hollow, was the part were the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path was sealed in.

In fact you can look at the pictures that Rocks75 posted to see what I am talking about.This one in particular
Chibaku_tensei1.jpg
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In that picture you can see the that the only part of the new moon that will be hollow, is the part where Kaguya is being sealed in.

After the original moon was created, the Ōtsutsuki clan came and terraformed the rest to make more of it hollow for them to live there.
 
Ok, that's acceptable for the theory that the Chibaku Tensei is not always Hollow. Since this moon was made in another dimension.

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This doesn't prove yet that the Moon that Toneri cut was not made Hollow from the beginning and that Toneri's attack was calculated wrong. With the Mass and Volume of a half a moon meisures.

"Hamura later departed along with the rest of the Ōtsutsuki clan to the moon to guard his mother's remains, while Hagoromo stayed in order to spread chakra to humanity and teach them the concept of Ninshü.[4][5][6][7][1]"

"Hamura, succeeding to the leadership of the clan, later departed along with the rest of the Ōtsutsuki to the moon in order to guard their late princess (something they weren't aware of, thinking it to be only the Shinju), while Hagoromo would stay in order to spread chakra to humanity and teach them the concept of Ninshü."

Yet the point about the Moon Toneri cut still stands, there's nowhere anything that says that the created that portion of space in there. That Moon was made like that and it needs to be calculated either way.
 
@Ryuuzakiscorpio

Dude. The same thing happened both times that Kaguya was sealed.

When Naruto and Sasuke sealed her, the only portion of the moon that was hollow was the part that contained Kaguya.

Whenever Hagoromo and Hamura sealed her, the only part of the moon that was hollow was that part that contained the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path.

Furthermore, Kaguya was sealed with the same jutsu. Why would the exact same jutsu work any different?

The Chibaku Tensei works by pulling rock and other materials towards the core. How would a justu that pulls rock towards the core, have a hollow spot?

The only part of the moon that was hollow was the part hat contained the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, the rest of the moon was terraformed. The Otsutsuki clan lived on the Moon for 1000 years,and their is no way that they lived in the small portion of the moon that was hollow. The Otsutsuki clan terraformed the moon so they could live their.
 
"the rest of the moon was terraformed." there's no proof that it was or that they did it. The only thing it says is that they move to live in the moon.

Like you i could say that they seal kaguya the first time with a hollow moon and the second time they seal her like you say above since we have seen that the chinaku tensei leaves a hollow space where it attracts the object or person. (During the second seal.)

Still regardless of this, my original point still stands. Toneri's feet what's that of a half a hollow moon. Even the Wiki support this. It needs a new calculation based on the Mass and Volume of the Hollow Moon.
 
Is unquantifiable how hollow is the moon, also, you are using that the moon is hollow argument but ignoring that the Narutoverse's moon in that case has Earth like gravity, which is 6 times heavier than the real life moon.

The calc was made without taking into account how hollow is the moon or using earth like gravity.

Destroying a moon with earth like gravity is more difficult than a moon with his normal gravity.
 
No, is not. Toneri only destroyed half of it making him Continent Level, so Naruto should be continent level in potency and Moon level in AoE with his Rasengan scale by Madara's feat's not Toneri.

Also, the weight of an object is the gravitational force between the object and the Earth. The more mass the object has the greater its weight will be. Weight is a force, so it's measured in newtons. On the surface of the Earth an object with a mass of 1 kg has a weight of about 10 N. Mass is a measurement of the amount of matter something contains, while Weight is the measurement of the pull of gravity on an object. Mass is measured by using a balance comparing a known amount of matter to an unknown amount of matter.

Example: If a cube has a mass of 90.91 kilograms and a weight of 200 pounds on Earth, what will its mass and weight be on another planet?

You can't known that's why we need another calculation for Toneri.
 
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