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Why is Zeno 2-C?

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The best shown feat from Zeno is destroying all the 12 universes and a few timelines. According to the tier system 3-A.

  • High Universe level: Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power. Alternately 4-dimensional power that is shown as completely qualitatively superior to 3-Dimensional beings, but is less than universal in scale. Or that allows them to create large parts of a universal continuum. Take note that 4-D power should logically always be superior to countably infinite 3-D power, so characters within this tier are not necessarily comparable. Also take note that we consider most small scale time-space abilities as hax, not as AP.
But we know for sure that Zeno is 4-D dimensional, since he destroyed the timelines. Which make him 3-A level and, if you look at 2-C

  • Multi-Universe level: Characters who can destroy and/or create up to 1000 universal space-time continuums.
Zeno shown feat is nowhere near at that level. Even, if we count U7 size and the timelines. You get around 21 universes at best. In my opinion, it is a too big jump. That is why i suggest to change Zeno to 3-A or High 3-A, if you want to say 'It wasn't his full power'.
 
Except that we accepted the DBS multiverse as sharing the same space-time.

Pretty sure that this would just be Low 2-C.
 
Destroying two timelines or more is 2-C. I think you may have misunderstood the wording of that, it means that 2-C ends at 1000 Universes, which is where 2-B begins.
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Destroy Zamasu was already a casual Low 2-C feat

And Zeno can destroy all the 12 universe, and considering the previous feat, this applies for a 2-C feat.


High 3-A is for infinite 3-D dimension, which would be a huge nerf for Zeno.
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Destroying Zamasu is nowhere near Low 2-C feat. Zamasu got erased by a 21x universal attack. Yes, Zeno can destroy all the 12 universes, but that isn't multi-universal according to the tier system. What previous feat are you talking about?
 
Darkanine said:
Destroying two timelines or more is 2-C. I think you may have misunderstood the wording of that, it means that 2-C ends at 1000 Universes, which is where 2-B begins.
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Alright, but we should change it to low multi-universal. Since Zeno has only show 21x universal feat. You can only get him at multi-universal by power scaling.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Except that we accepted the DBS multiverse as sharing the same space-time.
Pretty sure that this would just be Low 2-C.
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Yeah, iirc, all the 12 universes share the same space and time, destroying them would be only 3-A, Low 2-C when he did agaisnt Zamasu. Zen'o would need to destroy the void and the "multiverse" at the same time to be 2-C.
 
AresGodWave said:
Destroying Zamasu is nowhere near Low 2-C feat. Zamasu got erased by a 21x universal attack. Yes, Zeno can destroy all the 12 universes, but that isn't multi-universal according to the tier system. What previous feat are you talking about?
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It is Multi-Universal, Multiversal is a different term

Multiversal starts at 1001 "universes"

Multi-Universal is from 2 to 1000


And destroying Zamasu was a Low 2-C feat, just lool Zamasu's profile.
 
I think people are confused here Yes they share space time, But Zeno destroyed those universes along with their timeline I believe. Just destroying 2 timelines is 2-C.

Also @Ares You really should understand our tiering system before you make a thread like this. 1000 universes is High-End 2-C to baseline 2-B. Destroying 6 universes completely along with their timelines (Assuming every universe has at least 3 considering DBZ) that is a possible total of 18 universes(Could be wrong though.). The fact that Zamasu merged with the entire space time of Trunks' universe and was literally merging into Goku's timeline is a Low 2-C feat.

And no we will not rate it a Low Multi-Universal as no such tier exists.
 
Zen'o's "destroy everything" statement is only the 12 universes it seems, as there is a Zen'o for each timeline.
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Any scans of said statement?
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Not an specific scan, but has been hinted that the universes share the same space, and thus, share time (universes are separated by a finite distance with no restriction knewn, and the same amount of times that passes in one, passes in another).
 
I think the only reason it is implied is because Whis can just fly through universes. I however do believe he can just create a portal as his transportation going long distances seems like it's a portal.
 
Antoniofer said:
Not an specific scan, but has been hinted that the universes share the same space, and thus, share time (universes are separated by a finite distance with no restriction knewn, and the same amount of times that passes in one, passes in another).
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Then Wiss using different orbs to show the universes is useless and just a fancy effect from an fancy angel.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I think the only reason it is implied is because Whis can just fly through universes. I however do believe he can just create a portal as his transportation going long distances seems like it's a portal.
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And what about that Crystal Box they used in the tournament?
 
If I understand correctly, Zeno is 2-C because we know he can destroy multiple universes. This can be considered a fourth-dimensional feat because we have seen him perform a significant fourth-dimensional feat in defeating Zanmasu, who had merged with a fourth-dimensional contruct, a universal timeline. However, we don't know much about Zeno's "2-C" feat; he may have destroyed only the third-dimensional part of those universes, and I have yet to hear anything that confirms he destroyed all those universes simultaneously. Therefore, I think it may be best to revise Zeno's tier to "At least Low 2-C" for effortlessly stomping a really powerful Low 2-C force until the show bothers to do more than just hype him up without showing him do much of anything.
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
Then Wiss using different orbs to show the universes is useless and just a fancy effect from an fancy angel.
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I wasn't refering to that tho, in both anime and manga, Whis mentioned that with his speed it would take 2 days to reach Zen'o's palace, it also spent some hours flying from U7 to U10. At this point, a statement about any universe having his own time would be needed, and not otherwise.
 
All the universes share the same timeline, and after Zeno destroyed the "multiverse" in the future, Goku and Trunks could still access it proving that the Space-Time still existed, and that Zeno only destroyed all physical matter within the multiverse.

So regretably, Zeno's feats of "Destroying all of existence" aren't nearly as impressive as they seem. We ended up ranking him as 2-C for that because if we didn't, fans of Dragon Ball would flood the wikia with complaints and whining.

However, he did still one-shot Zamasu with ease, so he is indeed 2-C I would say.

Probably the least impressive 2-C out there, but it's still a 2-C feat, I guess.

Then again, other Verses consider Low 2-C Oneshotting as a still Low 2-C feat.
 
I should mention that DBS cosmology is... weird.

In that each universe likely has a separate space-time continuum (What with history going in various different directions as seen in U6 compared to U7), but each timeline has alternate versions of all 12 universes.
 
Well, as far as I understood, Zen'o was stated as being capable of completely eradicating the existence of all 12 universes, not just the physical matter, which is a 2-C feat.
 
@Ever didn't you say something once about timelines within timelines or the like?
 
@Saikou it depends on the "existence" in question. Some characters are 2-B or even High 1-A for being able to destroy the entire existence of their verse.

If Zen'ō can wipe out all of existence and DB's cosmology has show to be 2-C, then Zen'ō would be 2-C.
 
Yeah but we dropped the idea of Zen'o being able to wipe out the alternate timelines some time ago. Right now it's just destroying 12 universes.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Since when is erasing existence Low 2-C?
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I'm guessing that when they say it include even time.

@Ant, being Low 2-C or 2-C depend of how the universe(s) work: if universes share space-time, is Low 2-C; if they are separated by time, then is 2-C. The first one has been more hinted.
 
There is one Zeno to each timeline, and he is also bound to his specific moment in time of his timeline.

He is not the Multiversal Cosmic Being fans were hyping him up to be.
 
I don't know everything this wiki has agreed on concerning dbs, but as far as I know zeno's attack against zamasu did neither destroy space nor time (not even the timeline itself)

Evidence for this (from episode 67):

1) without time it would not have been possible for a "time machine" to go there

2) without space it would not have been possible for goku to exist in that place when they returned to pick up zeno

3) Whis stated that it's possible to return to trunks timeline, in a time before zeno destroyed everything (15:24), which Trunks and Mai do in the end

The part where it gets complicated is when Whis states the he and Beerus can stop zamasu by going to the future even though this would create a new timeline with a new zamasu and so forth.

However since the idea of the 12 universes being in the same spacetime is new to me I will not give a vote on whether zeno should stay 2-C or not.
 
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