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AtLA Revisions (Korra too)

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In the midst of all these FT/Naruto revisions, I decided to go and try to gather information on the series, and Aiden in particular has inspired me to prove a few things.

AP Upgrades:

There are two feats that I found to be interesting. First is pissed Katara stopping rain (the Southern Raiders) and Sozin calming a volcano (The Avatar and the Firelord). The latter was already calced by KK to be City Block level, and I forget if it was with a plus or not. Sozin was already old at the time, and needed the comet to do some serious damage. This feat should scale to the top tiers of the verse, like the firelords, avatars, Old Masters, and peak Toph. Other feat still needs to be calced, but it should likely scale to all benders in general. Katara, while strong, isn't incredibly special. Final one would be Ghazan's suicide attack. That again would only scale to top tiers.

Speed Upgrades:

This is the part inspired by Aiden. If he can prove FT lightning is real lightning, then I can prove that AtLA lightning is real lightning. For one, lets go with the nature argument that Aiden stated, which is definitely true in the case of Avatar. These are the actual elements, and behave that way. Water Benders can control all phases of water, whatever the water is in (bloodbending). Earthbenders can do the same, with sand, mud, magma, and metal. Airbenders can even bend the air inside someone. Hotter fire manifests as blue (at least according to an extra I remember from long ago), which explains Azula. Its reasonable to think that firebenders can do the phase of fire that is lightning. And while lightning isn't really related to fire in the sense. Followup reason is that it behaves like natural lightning. Both kinds of lighting can be redirected, and for some reason, all lightning is blue in this verse iirc. It is conducted through water. And contrary to most fictions, it appears that lighting actually ignores durability like it should. Despite Zuko redirecting Azula's lighting, it still effed him up. Aang getting shot messed with his internal avatar system and stopped his heart while only leaving him with a small burn. Mako didn't even touch Ming Hua with the lightning, but because of conductivity, she was still down for the count. Zuko's explanation to Aang seemed to imply instant death if redirection fails too. It seems that every time lightning is used (except by the gloves in Korra, which I'm not trying to debate), it's a oneshot. Only exception would be Zuko redirecting against Ozai, but that can be explained. Zuko stated in that battle that he wasn't going to kill Ozai, despite clearly in the position to do so. Zuko likely didn't hit Ozai with redirection, which resulted in an explosion. So that brings us on to a calc of Zuko's sacrifice to protect Katara. Also Katara dodging /running from all of Azula's attacks, but less important. The former wouldn't be aim dodging. Zuko realized with frightening certainty that Azula was targeting Katara a bit too late.

Durability upgrades

From the first two feats, we'd get durability, as those who scale used non-lethal attacks and people survived them. The durability section in general is a little wonky. I don't see how the avatar state and shields don't boost proportionally. Every time it was defeated, there was a reason to it. Azula ignored durability and messed with Aangs insides (albeit unintentionally). Korra was poisoned when fighting Zaheer.
 
Yeah, seems like legit.

I remember volcano being felt over 100 km away and Roku was defeating it according to Aang.


The fact that lightning bending is achieved same way as all others which just manipulate elements, I see no reason not to use that as a real lightning.
 
Haha like I said in Aiden's blog, I hope everyone is ready for the influx of threads trying to prove their lightning is real :p

AP Upgrades: If you can find someone to do the calculations, I dont see why these couldnt be applied.

Speed Upgrades: Its been a looong time since I watched either series so I cant really comment on the realism of the lightning. All Im gonna say is the same thing I said on the FT lightning calc. To prove that something acts like real lightning we shouldnt just be looking for ways in which its similar to real lightning, but also making sure it doesnt act in ways that are dissimilar to real lightning. So I ask, do you recall any scenes where a lightning bender did something impossible with lightning? I only remember the scene where Ozai literally pushed Zuko back a few meters with a stream of lightning, but since that's the only time I remember something like that happening I think we could chalk it up to inconsistency. So yeah, Im still on the fence for this upgrade if only due to my lack of information.

Durability: I could probably get behind this with a little more concrete information
 
Ha. Yeah. But if anyone had to start the trend, I'd be darned if it were anyone else but me XD.
 
Well it's been a while from the last time I've seen avatar but that lightning must be real since the entire point of the series is elemental control.
 
"This is the part inspired by Aiden. If he can prove FT lightning is real lightning, then I can prove that AtLA lightning is real lightning."

This is the reason aiden needs to post his shit on content revision board rather than staff discussion. Not every staff members read fairy tail, and its hilarious to carry on his "trend" and upgrade other verses speed. If it isnt clear enough I disagree with aiden's suggestions. If we take laxus lightning as real lightning, we have to treat Sting's light as real light, and boom FT gets FTL characters. You get what I am saying?

" For one, lets go with the nature argument that Aiden stated, which is definitely true in the case of Avatar. These are the actual elements, and behave that way. Water Benders can control all phases of water, whatever the water is in (bloodbending). Earthbenders can do the same, with sand, mud, magma, and metal. Airbenders can even bend the air inside someone."

I guess naruto should also get upgrades then? I have couple of more series that would be drastically upgraded if we go by your logic. This just needs to stop, otherwise many series will get upgraded for no reason
 
Sting doesn't use light, but holy element white magic so, it's completely different since he also said he can eat anything that's white and light is not white.
 
Firebending is different that the other elements in the sense that the bender usually creates the element instead of manipulating like the others do.

Here is the volcano calc which resulted in 21 tons of TNT.And here is another calc for the firebending during Sozin's comet which isn't an outlier anymore since we've found some feats closer to its value.

It should be noted though that powerscaling between different kind of benders should be avoided since each element functions differently.

Aiden also did a few calc here , and Bumi has a Building level feat himself.

So my suggestions are:

Elite firebenders - City Block level

Avatar Aang at his peak - City Block level

Korra - ? (not sure, it will depend on how the upgrades affect the characters she fough since it seems that she gets defeated/mached a lot)

Elite Waterbenders - Wall to Large Building level depending on the amount of water they have at their disposal

Earth benders - At least Building level (I'm pretty sure Toph has a couple of feats that can put her higher than that)

Airbenders - ? (Their feats are mostly around Wall level so we need to search for feats)

The physical durability of the characters is around Wall level but they have shields which will be upgraded accordingly.
 
WilliamShadow said:
Sting doesn't use light, but holy element white magic so, it's completely different since he also said he can eat anything that's white and light is not white.
All of his techniques are based on light. He is meant to be opposite of Rogue who has shadow based techniques. "Holy " is basically light, its said "Holy magic" to just make it sound superior and cool
 
@Adam I suggest you calm down okay? Sting's magic is not light simple as that. This is not about Fairy Tail. We kept it staff discussion due to all the wanking that was happening with the Irene feat. So chill.
 
Also, about the FT thing, i don't know anything about the show, but a quick search reveals that in

  1. Ôåæ Fairy Tail Manga: Chapter 294, Page 9
The manga says that he uses "A holy purifying light" and that "white slayer dragon magic and that says, "Consequently, this Magic allows the user to both produce and control light from any part of their body,"
 
@aparajita I wasn't planing to go into detail but fine. Putting in simple terms Sting's "light" is not real simple example: Larcade's "pleasure" he s light based spell and it affected everyone on the battlefield instantly (no this doesn't mean his speed is FTL since he can't turn into living light or use a cloak of light and then move at that speed) on the other side Sting's attack are much slower and he is not the only Makarov is light user as well, but once again it's not real light exception for fairy law that as well affects everyone he targets in a certain range are effected instantly.

Laxus on the other side or better his lighting has actual properties of lighting and he can move at it's speed since he can turn into living lighting and use a cloak of lighting.

And please if you want clarification post on my wall and we can talk about it since this thread is not for FT.
 
I am fine with Kkapoios suggestions.

However, regarding the speed, within Aiden's calculation blog for the Fairy Tail lightning speed feat, the last time I checked it seemed like we weren't going to use it, since the lightning did not behave quite like the real version.
 
Antvasima said:
However, regarding the speed, within Aiden's calculation blog for the Fairy Tail lightning speed feat, the last time I checked it seemed like we weren't going to use it, since the lightning did not behave quite like the real version.
Lightning in AtlA does behave like real lightning?
 
@ant I said this to Aiden so I might say it here too since Laxus has attack speed Mhs that should automatically be his speed in general since he can turn into that same lighting which he use to attack and uses a lighting cloak to move even without considering the real properties.
 
I don't remember the entire Last airbender series but from what I can remember Its behaved like real lighting consistently. Anyway I agree with Kkapoios.
 
Well, I am neutral on the issues regarding whether or not the lightning should be considered real in either Fairy Tail or AtLA.

Also, Aiden needs to study, so he asked me to block him for 5 days.
 
Yeah I know I talked with him two days ago about it. I am rather neutral for both well avatar in particular since I don't have all that knowledge about it while for FT well if the revision is accepted and they are upgraded in AP that much it would be a bit weird they stay at such low speed in the end most of those anime like FT are on MHS so I doubt it's not there as well.

Anyway we just wait until his revision is done then I guess speed can be questioned as well leaving aside the entire real or not real lighting.
 
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Here are 4 Gifs that visually show what the lightning in Avatar is like.

Iroh says, "lightning bending allows a firebender to produce lightning by separating the positive and negative energies internally, and direct it through their fingers." (Ehasz, Aaro (writer) & Spaulding, Etha (director). (June 2, 2006). "Bitter Work". Avatar: The Last Airbender. Season 2. Episode 9. Nickelodeo.) This corresponds with NASA's descriptio of lightning.

While the generation of lightning can be maintained for extended periods, the continued and excessive use can lead to burns. (DiMartino, Michael Dante (writer) & Zwyer, Melchior (director). (December 19, 2014). "The Last Stand". The Legend of Korra. Season 2. Episode 26. Nick.com.)

Mentally, it involves a complete absence of emotion and peace of mind, and physically, it requires separating the energies of yin and yang, also interpreted as positive and negative electric potential respectively. When the yin and yang collide together to become whole again, lightning is created, with the bender only guiding, rather than controlling, the lightning's direction. (Ehasz, Aaro (writer) & Spaulding, Etha (director). (June 2, 2006). "Bitter Work". Avatar: The Last Airbender. Season 2. Episode 9. Nickelodeo.) This again corresponds with NASA's decription of how lightning works.

It's consistently shown throughout the series, including into Legend of Korra and the comics that the lightning is portrayed *exactly* like other elements - real, and corresponds with the lightning in real life.
 
@Aparajita Okay. It seems similar enough to real lightning to safely use for dodging, or redirecting, feats then.
 
In my opinion this is too little evidence for assuming real lightning.

That it does a bunch of damage means nothing, given that it is an elite technique.

That it is part of elemental manipulation, where the other elements have element like properties, doesn't really mean much either.

The ying-yang explanation could be linked to potentials, but the way it is stated it does sound more like being linked to chi IMO. Iro explains for example that the lightning will follow the flow of chi in the body, which would be a counter argument against real lightning.

In the video you posted regarding it being conducted in water I don't see that happen (maybe i'm jus blind though). If it is that is the case one point for it being real.


All in all for lightning there should be a multiple good arguments in favor and way fewer arguments against it, hence my opinion on this.
 
Wasn't there that episode where Iroh redirected lightning from a storm using his hands? If this was the case, wouldn't it be a supporting proof for this post? I mean, since Iroh can redirect real lightning, he should be bending real lightning.
 
Well, it would show that real lightning follows the flow of Chi in avatar verse taking away the counter argument. I am non the less uncertain though.
 
DontTalk said:
That it is part of elemental manipulation, where the other elements have element like properties, doesn't really mean much either.

The ying-yang explanation could be linked to potentials, but the way it is stated it does sound more like being linked to chi IMO. Iro explains for example that the lightning will follow the flow of chi in the body, which would be a counter argument against real lightning.

In the video you posted regarding it being conducted in water I don't see that happen (maybe i'm jus blind though). If it is that is the case one point for it being real.


All in all for lightning there should be a multiple good arguments in favor and way fewer arguments against it, hence my opinion on this.
Why? We consider Fire to be legitimate fire. Water to be water. Air to be air. All of them show their correct attributes.

Fire ignites and burns, creates smoke and ash.

Water has crystalization, water moleucles in each of their forms, can be frozen and turned into steam.

Air exists in it's correct forms and affects natural things in verse as it should in real life.

Earth behaves like Earth should, metal possesses tearing, lava cakes and crystalizes and hardens.

Why is only Lightning given this treatment?

Water? Yep it's water. Fire? Yep it's fire. Air? Yep it's air. Earth? Yep it's Earth. Lightning? Hold the F*ck on, guys, we can't be too sure.


Chi is used to describe it, yes, but Iroh actually, directly speaks about the energy (electrons and protons) all around them.

"There is energy all around us, yin and yang, positive and negative."


In the link posted, Mako shocks an enemy using the water, because her water bending arms are connected to the water on the ground. The electrcity traveled up her arms into her.
 
ScarletFirefly said:
Wasn't there that episode where Iroh redirected lightning from a storm using his hands? If this was the case, wouldn't it be a supporting proof for this post? I mean, since Iroh can redirect real lightning, he should be bending real lightning.
I believe he did but I don't remember the name of the episode but he demonstrated it to Zuko
 
I think that if Iroh bends natural lightning the same way as his own, both should be treated the same way.
 
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