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Tatsumaki (OPM) tornado of terror Vs Madara Uchiha

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Are we using composite feats from Webcomic, Manga and Anime for Tatsumaki or just one in particular?
 
He also has unlimited stamina and his chakra fills up instantly. And I don't think she can bypass Low-High Regenerationn. I vote for Madara too.
 
Having a lot more techniques than Tatsukmai won't matter if Madara gets his head torn off. I'm not certain that Madara can survive that even with his Regenerationn.
 
the thing is Madara is a lot more haxxy than Tornado's and he can use similar moves and use her wind to increase his fire output cause apparently fire gets stronger with wind
 
Damage3245 said:
Having a lot more techniques than Tatsukmai won't matter if Madara gets his head torn off. I'm not certain that Madara can survive that even with his Regenerationn.
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He has Mid-level Regenerationn, so yes he actually can survive that
 
Infinite chakra may backfire on Madara since Tatsumaki could make use of all that chakra and kill him with it.

And Tatsumaki can BFR by tossing him to orbit like she tried on Saitama.

Tatsumaki has the necessary moves to defend. Of course I'm not saying she insta wins but I am pointing out she can win. No vote right now.
 
Ah, well Edo Madara is completely different matter.

Yes, he can survive Tatsumaki's signature decapitation move and he can regenerate just about everything else.

Her best bets would be to either lift him up to space (which her range can easily reach), or to bury Madara underground.

So BFR is pretty much her only way of winning when you pit her against an immortal, endlessly regenerating Madara. Fortunately it also means Madara doesn't have access to some of his other powers such as Flight, Limbo, etc.
 
Edo Madara can fly,and would she be able to toss Madara with PS into orbit,i doubt that.Even if she did that he can easily fly to earth.She cant win Edo Madara.
 
I'm pretty sure Edo Madara can't fly - unless possibly by using the Perfect Form of the Susano'o like Sasuke but we've never seen Madara's version of that fly in the manga.
 
Deva Path has never really allowed flight in the manga, since Obito and Madara only started flying around when they became hosts of the Ten-Tails.

Edo Madara has never displayed that ability and no Rinnegan user ever has unless you count the possible, improbable case of the Deva Path of the Six Path's of Pain using it which I don't believe. Nagato himself had to summon a flying creature in order to let himself fly.
 
Um, what do you mean by improbable? Deva Path grants flight to the user.

Anyway, Madara doesn't need to fly. He can get back the same way Saitama did. It would just take longer.
 
You realize that Saitama landed on the moon just by pure chance alone? That if Madara or him was tossed anywhere else he probably won't be coming back anytime soon?
 
Her ability didn't work on Saitama so we can't assume that she's going to launch Madara to another planet, galaxy or something.

Well I've not read the webcomic but what does she start with in character?
 
Can Madara wipe out the planet at the mode we're using here?

She restricts the enemy and crushes them if not blows them away, and then it keeps going from that
 
I'm leaning towards Tatsumaki here through her aura Manipulation (her twist-opponent-to-death spell utilizes her enemies power, and she's very capable of spamming this), though admittedly I don't know enough about madara to cast a vote here. Anyways, the way I see this Tats can block just about anything Madara can throw at her, and Tatsumaki could win by BFR (to space or under the crust), death, by destroying Madara's body then purging his soul (this is a little far out, Tatsumaki has never shown any ghost purging feat, but in MPO a somewhat related verse to OPM, even weak Psychics can do this), and last through Incap (compressing Madara's body into a ball). Again IDK much about Madara, so feel free to correct me.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Um, what do you mean by improbable? Deva Path grants flight to the user.
Anyway, Madara doesn't need to fly. He can get back the same way Saitama did. It would just take longer.
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It doesn't, and the only reason Saitama was able to return was by jumping off of the Moon.


Burning Full Fingers said:
Her ability didn't work on Saitama so we can't assume that she's going to launch Madara to another planet, galaxy or something.
Well I've not read the webcomic but what does she start with in character?
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She normally starts off with rotating the enemy's body into a bloody mess, or decapitation, or just crushing them.

She's been shown to resort to launching opponents into space, dragging meteors down on top of them, or burying them underground.
 
@Damage3245

Okay. You mentioned that Nagato could fly with one of his summons. Madara should be able to do that too since it's his Rinnegan that Nagato used.

@Bleuburd

How can she kill someone that's already dead and has Low-High Regenerationn? There's no reason to believe that Tatsumaki can BFR Madara to another planet or something. Boros has higher Striking Strength than her and he launched Saitama to the moon so I think that's the most logical assumption here. I don't think we can use assumptions of that level since they're different verses. If she tries to bury Madara underground, that'll be to her disadvantage since Madara can travel underground and rip her soul out with a surprise attack.

Madara can incapacitate her through the use of the Outer Path by restraining her with chains or pinning her down with chakra rods (black receivers). He can take her soul out with the Gedō. He could spam shadow clones and wood clones that are as strong as him and have them use Susanoo and spam his strongest attacks. He can dodge her attacks using Replacement Jutsu or switching with his clones. Also, he can use Wood Dragon Jutsu to bind Tatsumaki and absorb her energy, or use Deep Forest Emergence to bind her and knock her out with the pollen from Wood Release. I think he can absorb her energy if he gets in close (like he did to Hashirama). If Tatsumaki's Wind Manipulation works the same way I think it does, he can absorb it with Preta Path or overpower it with his elemental advantage like Redgrave said. Also, I don't think Tatsumaki has a counter for Limbo. Madara has a severe versatility and hax advantage.
 
True, Madara could theoretically summon the Rinnegan-bird to let him fly but that would be effective while he's still in the atmosphere. Take him out of the atmosphere and a bird can't fly.

Tatsumaki can't send Madara to another planet, but she can send him out into space.

I don't think Tatsumaki will be that distracted by clones; she intercepted hundreds of cannon shells fired by Boros' spaceship and in the webcomic she flattened about 10,000 duplicates of Black Sperm while he was rushing her. They're weaker than Madara of course, but she can still handle multiple opponents.

Tatsumaki doesn't actually manipulate wind, it's just the effect of her telekinesis on air. Which kinda sounds like the same thing, but it's not like a Wind Release jutsu.
 
I'll vote for Tatsumaki to win based on telekinetic strength & her tactics of fighting.
 
He can still jump back, it'll just take some time. Something like this was mentioned in the a Boros thread, and it was agreed that his opponent could come back like Saitama but just take longer.

Like I said, the most logical assumption is the moon since we haven't seen the ability in action.

Could the duplicates of Black Sperm use his car techniques like Madara's can? He can keep on spamming me them without any issues while Tatsumaki would eventually get tired.

Okay. If he can't absorb them, he can still use utilize his elemental advantage to his favor.

Any counters to my other reasons above or do they make sense enough?
 
I would vote for Madara due to being a lot more versatile in hax and technique, more experience and the BFR logic is an assumption plus the clones are not like Black Sperm (wtf is this name >.>) and more powerful. Plus Madara has soul hax getting near him while it's hard due to Tatsumaki's more range like abilities he can close in the gap and use the paths
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
He can still jump back, it'll just take some time. Something like this was mentioned in the a Boros thread, and it was agreed that his opponent could come back like Saitama but just take longer.
Like I said, the most logical assumption is the moon since we haven't seen the ability in action.

Could the duplicates of Black Sperm use his car techniques like Madara's can? He can keep on spamming me them without any issues while Tatsumaki would eventually get tired.

Okay. If he can't absorb them, he can still use utilize his elemental advantage to his favor.

Any counters to my other reasons above or do they make sense enough?
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I don't understand what you mean by logical assumption is the Moon.

Saitama being sent to the Moon by Boros' kick and Tatusmaki sending an opponent into space via telekinesis and two completely separate matters.

All the duplicates of Black Sperm were an identical copy of Black Sperm himself. They don't have a lot of individual feats besides beating up Atomic Samurai & having sheer numbers in combat.

If Madara ends up being a persistent threat to Tatsumaki and returns from BFR (somehow), then her only other next best bet is to restrain Madara and physically seal him. Edo Zombies were sealed during the war but for Tatsumaki to do it would require whatever materials she can find from the battlefield.

I don't think Edo Madara can keep up with Tatsumaki. The only thing he can pull out that would be on the level of her regular foes is her Perfect Susano'o which I'm sure she could break via meteors.
 
Madara for more experience, techniques, unkillability, and also Sharigan/Rinnegan hax.

Unless the Tornado of Terror has some way to permanently put down Madara, which she doesn't.
 
Can Edo survive being pulverized or twisted by Tatsumaki's psychokinetic powers like she attempted with Saitama?
 
@ fingers

I never said anything about sending Madara to another planet. Pls don't put words in my mouth then counter them, i'm pretty sure that's a fallacy. To Space, She'll send Madara to space (Outside the Atmosphere). Madara is Melee, his enemy is a TK user, speed equalized, how will he get close then? by bird? Birds can be TKed. The chains and the rods, they're Melee weapons are they not? The Gedo I have no information though. Clones and wood clones as strong as him---- are they as durable? Are these things also Immortal? If not then these things are Meaningless against Tatsumaki. The wood Dragon Jutsu Binding, Can they catch her? This is speed equalized. Dodged her attacks, hmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe he can see the Tk because of his sharingan? yeah this might work. Can Limbos fly? Tatsumaki flies while fighting. Tatsumaki for now.
 
@Damage3245

Okay. When Tatsumaki sends someone into space, where exactly do they end up in?

How would she restrain Madara and seal him? He could easily escape with Limbo like he did when Naruto did the same thing to him with Magnet Release.

Um, how about restraining her and knocking her out? Or stealing her soul? He can spam meteorites too.

@AquaWaifu

I don't think that would work on a dead person with Low-High Regenerationn.

@Bleuburd

Calm down. I'm not trying to put words into your mouth. I'm just assuming that's what everyone means by mentioning Tatsumaki BFRing Madara. Where did you get the idea that Madara can use only melee? What happened to his ranged attacks in Katon, Wood Release, various things he could do with the Rinnegan (like soul steal, gravity manipulation and others), ranged slashes with Susanoo and summoning meteorites. If he needs to get the in close, he can do that by travelling underground, summoning that chameleon and hiding in it to become invisible or concealing himself with that fire technique that releases ash to blind the user. Even if his clones are not as durable, he can casually spam them. He can pull her towards himself with his gravity manipulation. The pollen from Wood Release spreads around.
 
@Burning Full Fingers; Madara only used Limbo when he was resurrected. Some Rinnegan abilities don't work when the Rinnegan user is an Edo Zombies.

When Tatsumaki sends an opponent to space, it's not made clear where they end. Presumably they just end up in space / outside of the atmosphere.

Tatsumaki can fly at high speeds and has good defense with her barrier. Madara requires physical contact for soul-stealing which would be difficult with her barriers up.

So long as she stays outside of his range, he won't be able to win easily. Tatsumaki has also resisted gravity-attacks from Psykos in the webcomic.

Using the Edo Zombie version of Madara does put Tatsumaki at a disadvantage as far as her ususal attacks go but if she tears him apart / crushes him with a meteor then he will be disabled long enough to BFR him.


EDIT: Simply having more techniques or having more versatile abilities isn't going to necessarily help Madara in this fight. It's either he resists being squashed / crushed / shredded and manages to find a way to counter-attack.
 
Okay. But since he can essentially do the same with his wood or shadow clones, it doesn't take away from my point which is that Madara can switch with them to avoid damage.

I'm not sure how we're going to assume her BFR works. Its application hasn't been shown so it's just guesswork.

I've provided reasons why he can easily get close to her. His wood clones can also fuse with the surroundings and make it hard for Tatsumaki to notice and destroy all of them.

He can spam his attacks so breaking through her barriers is not really a problem. And when he uses his attacks in tandem with his clones, it becomes much easier to do so. If she destroys the clones, he can easily create more. And there's only one person that'll be feeling fatigue. Also, his pollen doesn't need to destroy her barriers.

If she tears him apart or hits him with a meteor, he can easily regenerate and if she tries to use her telekinesis to lift him into space, he can switch with his clones (which Tatsumaki wouldn't know about) or use Replacement Jutsu.

About her resisting Gravity Manipulation, is the user on Madara's level or Tatsumaki's?

Um, how is versatility not useful? I think the location of fight can be used to Madara's advantage. Since his Wood Release would be much more effective.
 
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