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Is Yhwach's Tier in this page right?

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AppleLord

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I read somewhere that this website's Tier system is base on there's.

"The destructive potential: Level the city + in the sample (cut Yamamoto its energy sword), probably the level of the island + breakdown with Bankai Yamamoto , ignores the strength | At least the level of the mountain + (was able to build a structure the size of a city, as well as a huge tall palace a few kilometers), ignores the strength level claimed universe + or low multivselensky (chain reaction)"

http://ru.anime-characters-fight.wikia.com/wiki/ð»Ðàð▓ðÁ_ðæð░Ðà
 


I'm pretty sure that was because his powers were taken away briefly the moment he died.

That sounds more plausable than no Soul King at all.

Yhwach is already Planet level in AP.

Maybe we can add this:

Possible Universal level (with chain reaction, the known Universe will be destroy if he dies.)

Since he can comeback to life, it will be useful. It's also stable with the story in the series.

It would only be consider an outlier if the characters weren't planet level. Which Yhwach already is. Thoughts?
 
No he is not Universal in power "if he dies" as he only keeps the "universe" or rather the worlds stable through his role as the Soul King or him with the SK's power.

We already decided its not AP scalable or usuable in combat period and we already denied giving it to Soul King himself so there's no reason why Ywhach should be any acception.
 
If any part of him could have universe level power it's the almighty not the soul King. The soul King only controls 8 realms. Even if we assume all of them are planet size Yhwach would only be multi planet level to maybe star level and that's being very, very generous.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
No he is not Universal in power "if he dies" as he only keeps the "universe" or rather the worlds stable through his role as the Soul King or him with the SK's power.
We already decided its not AP scalable or usuable in combat period and we already denied giving it to Soul King himself so there's no reason why Ywhach should be any acception.
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Why not? There are other characters like him in this wiki. He has chain reaction, and he can revive himself. This is an index wiki, right. Not a versus wiki. Choosing not to put info a character haves is bias to me.
 
Once again Yhwach only controls a few realms. I doubt that makes him universe. The almighty is the thing that could potentially be universe level since it can bypass the concept of time and space to do nearly anything
 
Actually, it was mention twice (Urahara and Rukia) that if the flow of souls (that Yhwach currently commanded) are disrupted, the Universe will be destroy. Everything not just the realms. This was explain twice in the first arc and then again in the last arc.
 
You got some links to go with that claim? I love bleach but even I think universe level Yhwach seems like a long shot. Unless it's almighty Yhwach
 
Amlad22 said:
You got some links to go with that claim? I love bleach but even I think universe level Yhwach seems like a long shot. Unless it's almighty Yhwach
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Give me a sec. I fecth them quick. Also, I'm talking about Soul King Yhwach's power.
 
If you can find good scans then I'd be glad to support you if you want to make a thread of Yhwach having universe level chain effect if he dies. I'd also fight for him having universe level attack power but only via future changing. So we can debate for a universe level Yhwach in two different ways
 
First two evidence are in chapter 036, 045 and 046


http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-036?id=279785

The first three links explain how the method the quincy's use to kill Hollows erases their soul, disrupting the flow of souls that the soul king controls and bring the collapse of the universe.

http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-045?id=279805

http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-046?id=279808

There is one more I believe, let me fetch it quick.
 
This is the third time is explain:

http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-492?id=281351

Here is explain how the Soul King controls the souls to prevent the destruction of everything:

http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-615?id=281535

Now here is Yhwach as Soul King:

http://*********.com/Manga/Bleach/Chapter-626?id=281546

The official translation from cnet128 says this:

https://mangahelpers.com/t/cnet128/releases/41342

"Your power is quite wonderful. // Doubtless this new world without the Spirit King would not be able to support itself without your power."
 
This is an index wiki and even if this doesn't translate into attack potency, it should be on his profile because is part of him on his verse.

The Anime characters fight wiki doesn't have a problem with putting him at that, and this wiki respects them or so its said in the rules page.
 
AppleLord said:
Actually, it was mention twice (Urahara and Rukia) that if the flow of souls (that Yhwach currently commanded) are disrupted, the Universe will be destroy. Everything not just the realms. This was explain twice in the first arc and then again in the last arc.
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First off, saying it would destroy the Universe is extreme Hyperbole and would more than likely just effect the human world and SS. Saying all the souls in the universe is a huge stretch, otherwise why dont Hollows exist beyond earth and Hueco Mundo then?

Second, even if we accepted that it would destroy the universe, not only is that done overtime in an unknown time frame since it requires breaking the balanced flow of Souls, making it unbelievebly far from an actual universe level feat, but that is not done through AP. That is done by a huge chain reaction would take a huge timespan at an unknown degree and also prep.
 
I'm not arguing for attack potency since i repeat this isn't a versus wiki is an index wiki. The versus are made for fun. This info should be on his profile.

It isn't hyperbole when is explain three times in the series and it begins to happen. Do you believe that the universe can exist without heaven or God?
 
Show evidence that it would truly effect the Universe otherwise you are going off of speculation and words that are likely just hyperbole. It being explained doenst mean anything when its not done through AP, done at an unknown rate overtime and requires a lot of prep.
 
If it was hyperbole. Let's see how it affecfs the story.

-The massacre of an entire race was for nothing if it was hyperbole.

-Mayuri killing souls in the SS to stabilize the balance was for nothing if it was hyperbole.

-The whole final arc motive for revenge was for nothing if it was hyperbole.

-Every world that began to collapse after the first Soul King`s dead was just a bluff if it was hyperbole.

-Yhwach's end goal to fuse the afterlife with the living world was also a bluff if it was hyperbole.

-There maybe other things that I've missed.

-Like how the whole backstory of war between the sides the Quincy's and Shinigamis that was all for nothing too, hyperbole as well. Right?

Well, if you want to say that the whole final arc and backstory on an important race on the series was for nothing, go on ahead, i won't stop you. After all you know more than the author, and the links with the proof of everything are above.
 
It wouldnt be all for nothing as it would effect everything just no where near a universal scale. Like mentioned above it would be multi planetary at best which is still somewhat shaky. Using the "Author" excuse isnt going to help here at all.
 
You're only downplaying the evidence, an Universe isn't a solar system nor is another dimension. One known realm is infinite in sizes and it was been affected as well.

This is an Index wiki the info should be on his profile even if it isn't AP or DC applicable.

Statement + Evidence >>Hyperbole statment.
 
>Infinite in sizes

Wrong. Evidence of this?

And again, there is no concrete evidence of the entire universe being destroyed by the misbalance of souls and it makes no sense either as nothing in Bleach has ever been remotely portrayed as this either. All you have is statements, one being from Rukia of all people, with nothing backing them up. And if it did effect the universe then we would have seen souls, hollows and as such outside of earth, SS and Hueco Mundo

Too much guesstimates and vague statements. Disagreeing with this as before
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
>Infinite in sizes
Wrong. Evidence of this?
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Your lack of knowledge of the series disturbs me, you've deny everything and have been wrong each time.

http://*********.se/read-manga/bleach/bleach-523-v53/page-14
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
And again, there is no concrete evidence of the entire universe being destroyed by the misbalance of souls and it makes no sense either as nothing in Bleach has ever been remotely portrayed as this either.
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Except the whole story and the proof above.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
All you have is statements, one being from Rukia of all people, with nothing backing them up. And if it did effect the universe then we would have seen souls, hollows and as such outside of earth, SS and Hueco Mundo
Too much guesstimates and vague statements. Disagreeing with this as before
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Rukia statement comes from Urahara a man that is known an acknowledged by the servents of God. Multiple people claiming the same thing over the whole series and actually happening when he the Soul King was killed.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Too much guesstimates and vague statements. Disagreeing with this as before
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You're disagreing for AP and DC that 's your argument here, well, you can drop it. This is an index wiki werever is applicable or not is part of the story and should be in his profile.
 
I agree with AppleLord. Yhwach has the power to destiny the realms plus a potential nigh-infinite realm of Muken. We need to consider Yhwach having universe level attack potency with almighty and potential universe destruction with his death
 
AppleLord said:
Anime4Life2020 said:
>Infinite in sizes
Wrong. Evidence of this?
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Your lack of knowledge of the series disturbs me, you've deny everything and have been wrong each time.
http://*********.se/read-manga/bleach/bleach-523-v53/page-14
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And Unohana is creditable with this because?

This is no different then the whole Hyperbolic Time Chamber being stated as an endless universe/dimension and we've denied that over and over again debunking it too. This is no different, even if we took Unohana's words at face value.
 
AppleLord said:
Anime4Life2020 said:
And again, there is no concrete evidence of the entire universe being destroyed by the misbalance of souls and it makes no sense either as nothing in Bleach has ever been remotely portrayed as this either.
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Except the whole story and the proof above.
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Which is another statement with nothing backing it up and very vague at best
 
AppleLord said:
Rukia statement comes from Urahara a man that is known an acknowledged by the servents of God. Multiple people claiming the same thing over the whole series and actually happening when he the Soul King was killed.
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Which is why I said "one" of which is coming from Rukia. Urahara may have also stated it but when we "see" this happening its happening at an unquantifable timespan no where near that of a real universe level feat. Furthermore it is only being done by taking the Soul King out of the picture.

This is pointless. The same thing your trying to argue right now has been brought up before and has been denied.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
AppleLord said:
Anime4Life2020 said:
>Infinite in sizes
Wrong. Evidence of this?
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Your lack of knowledge of the series disturbs me, you've deny everything and have been wrong each time.
http://*********.se/read-manga/bleach/bleach-523-v53/page-14
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And Unohana is creditable with this because?
This is no different then the whole Hyperbolic Time Chamber being stated as an endless universe/dimension and we've denied that over and over again debunking it too. This is no different, even if we took Unohana's words at face value.
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Because she is as old as Yamamoto and was a captain during the first war. Are you saying that the beings in astral plane don't know how to do their jobs? Laughable. Also, Central 46 has records of everything in SS even records about the parts of the Soul King, and how to replace his position with another.

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber was debunked as planet size by Goku. Make a thread about it, this isn't DBZ.
 
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