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Kamijou Touma vs Subaru Natsuki

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Toum he have far better reaction speed any he's very good street fighter , so hand to hand subaru stand no chance , he can attack him with invisible hand though since touma can't see it but it touma touched it once it's done

beatrice should make the difference here though she's alot weaker under subaru as her master so dunno what she can performed

anyway beatrice should be band from this i think
 
Touma should be able to beat Subaru without much trouble in one or two punches. Given their ranges the two should start a few meters apart, so Touma crosses that distance and punches out Subaru's lights out in a few seconds, likely not giving him the chance to use much of his powers.

As for Beatrice, given that Subaru doesn't have summoning listed as an ability, do you mean that he can summon her mid-battle or is that like a bonus round where she's helping him from the start. 1st option won't matter since Subaru very likely loses before he has a chance to summon her, and in the 2nd Beatrice would probably stomp Touma in melee due to speed advantage, making Subaru irrelevant to the battle. But since it would make it 2v1, it wouldn't be a valid battle.
 
LazyHunter said:
Touma should be able to beat Subaru without much trouble in one or two punches. Given their ranges the two should start a few meters apart, so Touma crosses that distance and punches out Subaru's lights out in a few seconds, likely not giving him the chance to use much of his powers.
As for Beatrice, given that Subaru doesn't have summoning listed as an ability, do you mean that he can summon her mid-battle or is that like a bonus round where she's helping him from the start. 1st option won't matter since Subaru very likely loses before he has a chance to summon her, and in the 2nd Beatrice would probably stomp Touma in melee due to speed advantage, making Subaru irrelevant to the battle. But since it would make it 2v1, it wouldn't be a valid battle.
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I dunno touma will wipe the floor with Subaru if it's one on one subaru stand no chance , Beatrice on her own is hax and fast but under subaru as her master she's not nearly as strong as before still she can pull thing like time stop , space manipulation etc

i don't this is good match overall
 
I'd think they're mostly even in a physical fight due to Subaru wielding a whip compared to Touma's unarmed combat. Subaru's invisible arm gets noped though, and the surprise factor there is gonna get capitalized with a life-changing punch to the face.

Touma Punch
Touma Punch
 
LazyHunter said:
Touma should be able to beat Subaru without much trouble in one or two punches. Given their ranges the two should start a few meters apart, so Touma crosses that distance and punches out Subaru's lights out in a few seconds, likely not giving him the chance to use much of his powers.
As for Beatrice, given that Subaru doesn't have summoning listed as an ability, do you mean that he can summon her mid-battle or is that like a bonus round where she's helping him from the start. 1st option won't matter since Subaru very likely loses before he has a chance to summon her, and in the 2nd Beatrice would probably stomp Touma in melee due to speed advantage, making Subaru irrelevant to the battle. But since it would make it 2v1, it wouldn't be a valid battle.
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Okay I think it's unclear for description.

yes I mean 1st option, Subaru can call a help form Bratrice in mid-battle. I mean some of his magic require the help of Bratrice right?. I make him can call a help from her for that.
 
You mean, something like Fate's command seals right, when you mean he can summon her?

Fate summon saber2
Come, Saber!
 
@Xanxussama1010

Oh, thanks for clearing that up. In that case, Subaru likely gets defeated before he realizes he needs her to win the fight.

@Gemmysaur

Touma has faced a stronger and trickier whip user before and the only trouble he had was while he was figuring out how she used her esper power in combination with it. Once he did even a full strike to his face didn't stop him from continuing to move and knocking her out.
 
IDK Touma have always fought and defeated various type of enemies and made full use of his ability each time , subaru get slaughter all the day and never beaten enemey on his own he lack touma fighting experience anyway and touma is though street fighter while subaru was playing video games and watching anime all his life

siding with touma here unless subaru twist his neck with IH which is unlikely
 
Looking at your argument, yeah Touman beat this. He experience waaay harder opponent before, and anything even remotely supernature would be broken.
 
This is entirely unfair with speed unequalized seeing has touma has mhs+ reactions with precog. With speed equalized subaru still losses because of touma being a better hand to hand fighter however if subaru was bloodlusted he could use the unseen hand to kill touma by phasing through him, hmm would that even work? Imagibe breaker negates a lot of things so not sure.

With beatrice and speed equalized subaru could take this depending on just what IB can negate, beatrice could stay from a far and nuke touma again not sure if that will work, and beatrice is handicapped with subaru and can't use her big moves like bfr things to another dimension but again not sure if even if she could do that if it would work on touma.
 
@Celestial Pegasus

Touma's precog works much better for ranged attacks, it isn't really a serious advantage in melee fights considering Motoharu and Hamazura have still defeated him, and even Class 1 Elements were a threat to him. If it was, then Saints wouldn't be as big as an issue to him as they always are. If the unseen hand touches IB it would probably be negated.

As for Beatrice, even is she's handicapped, if she at least kept the Wall level, Supersonic speed listed on her page she would be able to stomp Touma in hand-to-hand.
 
It would if her body is made of magic or something similar. Otherwise it's up in the air. But a supersonic character should be able to dodge his hand.
 
Touma can move his arm to block much faster then she can react to, he has a few MHS feats. Reactions don't just mean following with the eye, it's involuntarily movement
 
I am not sure about beatrice but if her body made of magic then one touch is all What touma need to erase her and then he stomp subaru in hand to hand combat

my vote goes to touma

about hamazura beating touma i would call it PIS and he used the machine as well "forgot its name " Touma kicked his ass hard back in SS it just the plot needed touma to lose this time
 
And did we already forgot about the Dragon? Chance are, that thing is going to annihilate the opponent given half the chance that Touma could ever die.
 
You don't know the true extent of the dragons the IT made fimma shit his pants while 50\50 othinus Crushed it with ease though you can argue that power of it was no where near the same when he fought fimma , dunno if we can consder the dragon king and the IT the same thing beside it seems there third power he have

power scaling in index is pain in the ass such how IT owned WR when it said it can beat full power Magic god several times

anyway this is only if you cut touma's hand which won't happen in this match
 
Othinus herself mentioned IT was not producing the same results as it did with Fiamma. And it owned Kakeru because he didn't know about it and was taken by surprise when it appeared after WRing IB, not to mention the lag between WR uses that screwed him up there.
 
Though it's certain that IT (what's short for again?) would wipe these guy off the map. And not to mention another thing that make even it scares.
 
Hmm then touma wins even with beatrice, touma is too fast and beatrice is a spiritual being and her body is made of like magical particles or something cause she dissolved into particles when elsa killed her.
 
I think no more vote on this match. So it's concluded

Touma won against Subaru (and Beatrice) 7-0

Could this match update on both profiles?
 
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