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Ren Amamiya VS Spawn

Spawn has next to no resistances, unless his profile is screwed up, and even his single resistance to mind control is useless because Joker's mindhax scales way above a tiny 6000 souls.

Spawn's only win condition is his transmutation, and I'm not sure how quickly he goes for that. Meanwhile, Joker borderline hax-stomps with most of his attacks.
 
Ooooof, that's more than enough to one shot Ren. Guess that's a viable win con for Spawn considering the ap rise there >_>
 
Alright, well Ren can nay nay physical attacks and most conventional elements. Not sure those reflectors of his can handle a 100x AP amp though, I'll wait for the Persona experts to comment though before doing anything else though.
 
I forgot what was completely agreed upon but I think it was believed those with around the same ball park of AP can be affected by invincibility, attack reflection, damage reduction etc (essentially any ability that relies on AP) however when it does get to the point where the AP gap becomes absurdly large, to assume those said abilities would still work would be considered a NLF (A classic example is if someone's invincibility has only shown to work against 3D attacks then assuming it would still work against 4D attacks or higher would be considered a NLF unless proven otherwise).

Also shouldn't Spawn get the passive variation of Accelerated Development?, if he indeed gets stronger with every heartbeat?.

Anyway Ren literally has several ways to incap/slow down Spawn before the he gets passively AP stomped and then he can finish Spawn with his landry list of hax.

EDiT; I should mention I also agree that Spawn seems to be missing some resistances, I haven't watched/read Spawn in awhile but I find it hard to believe a character of his nature hasn't displayed resistance to hellfire, soul and holy manipulation to name a few.

As for Ren, I believe the collective unconscious might become 2-B soon...
 
The Axiom of Virgo said:
I forgot what was completely agreed upon but I think it was believed those with around the same ball park of AP can be affected by invincibility, attack reflection, damage reduction etc (essentially any ability that relies on AP) however when it does get to the point where the AP gap becomes absurdly large, to assume those said abilities would still work would be considered a NLF (A classic example is if someone's invincibility has only shown to work against 3D attacks then assuming it would still work against 4D attacks or higher would be considered a NLF unless proven otherwise).

Also shouldn't Spawn get the passive variation of Accelerated Development?, if he indeed gets stronger with every heartbeat?.

Anyway Ren literally has several ways to incap/slow down Spawn before the he gets passively AP stomped and then he can finish Spawn with his landry list of hax.

EDiT; I should mention I also agree that Spawn seems to be missing some resistances, I haven't watched/read Spawn in awhile but I find it hard to believe a character of his nature hasn't displayed resistance to hellfire, soul and holy manipulation to name a few.
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Also, Spawn should have a key for his incarnation in Spawn: Resurrection. In which he resists head decapitations from divine weaponry now.
 
Spawn has his ressurection look and has superhuman strength,speed,and stamina,plus the ablitliy to use magic,controlling nature,and using necroplasium.

So i vote for Spawn
 
Gamma, super strength, speed and stamina isn't notable. Magic needs to be detailed. The same applies to controlling nature and necroplasma. Your vote doesn't count unless you actually say how Spawn can win against Ren.
 
Solacis said:
Gamma, super strength, speed and stamina isn't notable. Magic needs to be detailed. The same applies to controlling nature and necroplasma. Your vote doesn't count unless you actually say how Spawn can win against Ren.
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I mean Spawn has killed angels and demons plus he can teleport,stop time,make energy blasts,fly,read minds,and can use telkanesis. As well as making an undead army,and use chains uses holy weapons,guns,and swords as well as regenation. Ren dosent have that. Also low 2-c is Hell king spawn which he use reality warping powers and a signicant power boost ren can't beat that.
 
As for Ren's reflection, I'd prefer to avoid NLF, so taking into account that the highest multipliers in Persona reach up to about 400x at absolute max, his reflectors naturally can't be proven to work on anything higher than that.

So unless spawn is beaten in the span of a single heartbeat, Joker's reflection should stop working and Spawn would one-shot if he lands an attack.

That said does the 100x amp also apply to speed? If so, then Spawn stomps since I'm not sure Ren can do anything about that, save for maybe spamming Dekaja to negate the amps.
 
Solacis said:
As for Ren's reflection, I'd prefer to avoid NLF, so taking into account that the highest multipliers in Persona reach up to about 400x at absolute max, his reflectors naturally can't be proven to work on anything higher than that.
So unless spawn is beaten in the span of a single heartbeat, Joker's reflection should stop working and Spawn would one-shot if he lands an attack.

That said does the 100x amp also apply to speed? If so, then Spawn stomps since I'm not sure Ren can do anything about that, save for maybe spamming Dekaja to negate the amps.
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yeah 100X amp
 
joker has alot of ways incaping spawn and joker's mindhax is quiet potent i vote joker via mindhax and spawn having almost no reactance to ren's fate or fear manip
 
Zamasu Chan said:
Can he incap him fast enough? Once his heart beats once he'll be 100x faster too.
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Spawn can teleport and also warp reality as a king of hell.And time stop and ming maniulation. He also has a legion of 6,000 souls within and can summon an army.
 
Zencha9 said:
=Fate Manipulation hello?=
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Spawn is way above that He dosne't have a shadow thought so Ren can't do nothing on him. Spawn can freaking time stop him and shoot nercoplasium on him before hen can even try. Also can control animals and has telkenesis.

Basicallly Hell king spawn had destroy some univesre after defeating malebolgia.

ACtually both of them are equaled remember? besides I didn't read that he would have fate manipluation.

Ren never had Fate Manipulation on his profile and I looked up fate manipulation he was not on the list of users.

Spawn is also a fate user and can use fate manipluation.
 
are you saying that bombs and nukes could damage a low 2-c that could be 2-B in the future WHAT?
 
Zencha9 said:
are you saying that bombs and nukes could damage a low 2-c that could be 2-B in the future WHAT?
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Nah Ren is low 2-C not 2-B plus not that much of a fate user dude. Hell King Spawn with the Sword of God also makes him more hax

and this nuke be Satan who is 2-C
Satan dies
Spawn using the nuke 262 against sata

Also there is Omega Spawn and Divine Spawn but Hell King Spawn is enough plus his fate manipulation hax is on par with Ren.
 
Gamma clearly needs to look at the profiles and remember that this is a battle of universe-busters.

Regardless, if the 100x amp applies to speed, this is a stomp.
 
Come to think of it, where on the profile does it state Spawn's 100x amp per heartbeat? I can't find it.
 
Solacis said:
Come to think of it, where on the profile does it state Spawn's 100x amp per heartbeat? I can't find it.
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You do know he is undead right he dosen't need organs it said so on his speed I believe.

Plus Spawn is already pretty fast to begin with Hell king just makes him more faster.
 
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