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(Grace) Katsuki Bakugou vs Captain America (MCU)

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Rise of Villains Bakugou is used. Let's get into the details of this versus thread.

-Speed Equalized

-Both in Character

-Location: Open field

-Range: 4 meters

-Win via KO

Votes:

Bakugou: 8 (Therefir, Abstractions, Kingofwolves999, Insert creative name here 12, Sora and buff riku, The Wright Way, NomsNoms, TheRustyOne)

Captain America: 3 (Madotsuki24, The Prince of Counters, Duedate8898)

Incon: 0
 
Bakugou via far more range and mobility. Cap is an expert hand-to-hand combatant, but from a distance, there is nothing he can throw that is remotely comparable to what Bakugou has dodged (Danmaku), his shield is simply not enough. With that covered, Cap can't simply reach him, and Bakugou could easily spam explosions against him while flying from a safe distance.
 
Bakugou would be wise to not engage the Captain up close, but Steve will be too busy blocking the intense explosions to grapple Bakugou and follow up on it.

To add onto this, Steve doesn't have the luxury of using ricochet to hit his target or to return his shield to himself as they are in an open field, should he toss it and Bakguou blasts it far out of Steve's reach, he loses his method of offense and his critical defense.

Voting Bakugou for those reasons.
 
Therefir said:
Bakugou via far more range and mobility. Cap is an expert hand-to-hand combatant, but from a distance, there is nothing he can throw that is remotely comparable to what Bakugou has dodged (Danmaku), his shield is simply not enough. With that covered, Cap can't simply reach him, and Bakugou could easily spam explosions against him while flying from a safe distance.
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Bakugo has dodged Danmaku? That's wrong.
 
Abstractions said:
Bakugou would be wise to not engage the Captain up close, but Steve will be too busy blocking the intense explosions to grapple Bakugou and follow up on it.
To add onto this, Steve doesn't have the luxury of using ricochet to hit his target or to return his shield to himself as they are in an open field, should he toss it and Bakguou blasts it far out of Steve's reach, he loses his method of offense and his critical defense.

Voting Bakugou for those reasons.
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But he's not going to know that though, there's no prior knowledge in this fight. Do you know what Bakugo does first thing in character? He charges at the opponent and hits the opponents with a physical attack with his quirk. It gets explained multiple times in the anime about this. He will not just spam ranged attacks, especially if the range is just four metres where he would have the idea of easily attacking his opponent physically, whereas Steve could easily dodge or block it due to experience and snap his neck or stab his throat with weapons for an instant kill. Also, Captain America's shield is 8-B, more durable than Bakugo's AP.
 
@Madotsuki24 A villain from a movie have crazy Danmaku abilities.

@Schnee One The shield can barely cover Cap's torso, any explosion is going to hit some parts of his body.
 
Also, Captain America has more mobility and better acrobatics than Bakugo, he's over ten times more experienced than him.
 
Bakugou actually spam explosions in character, just watch his fights against Uraraka, Todoroki, and Deku, the only reason he even got close to the latter two is because he was completely outpacing them, something he can't do in this fight (Speed equalized).
 
Madotsuki24 said:
But he's not going to know that though, there's no prior knowledge in this fight. Do you know what Bakugo does first thing in character? He charges at the opponent and hits the opponents with a physical attack from his quirk. It gets explained multiple times in the anime about this. He will not just spam ranged attacks, especially if the range is just four metres where he would have the idea of easily attacking his opponent physically, whereas Steve could easily dodge or block it due to experience and snap his neck or stab his throat with weapons for an instant kill. Also, Captain America's shield is 8-B, more durable than Bakugo's AP.
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Are we assuming Steve is using his standard shield or the one's he had during the fight of Wakanda? He's never used both at once. Giving him the one's he had at Wakanda would put him at a bigger disadvantage as they won't block nearly as much of Bakugou's explosions, Steve is weaker than Bakugou.

Steve also has no knowledge of Bakugou and doesn't understand that he can spontaneously create explosions, and given Bakugou's aggressive nature, he's going to be blocking most of the time and Bakugou's going to try to find a way around that shield or just go for a bigger boom.

Schnee One said:
What range stuff can Balugo do to get past a 7B shield?
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A good chunk of Bakugou's explosions have AoE, save for his AP shots.
 
Bakugo's only advantage here is range, that's it. Captain America has the advantage in AP and durabilty (with his shield), intelligence, arsenal and over ten times more experience. Range wouldn't even matter because Captain America has enchanced senses and this is what he can do with his enchanced senses:


"(Noticed a drop of sweat on a man's forehead several feet away)". Guess what Bakugo's quirk does? MAKES HIM DROP SWEAT. He could easily tank everything Bakugo can hurl at him and easily one shot Bakugo with any sort of expert combat, mastery of weaponary or straight up smash him with his shield.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
Also, Captain America has more mobility and better acrobatics than Bakugo, he's over ten times more experienced than him.
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I can't remember the last time Cap was able to fly over a large-building sized robot, or completely changed his movement's directions in an instant.

Simply saying that he has more experience is not enough, you have to explain how that experience is going to help him ins this fight.
 
Saying that Bakugo would not engage and fire a shot at someone over ten times more experienced and land a direct hit when they have a shield is too specific of a situation and a win condition, whilst Captain America has way more win conditions from the abilities I've listed above.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
Saying that Bakugo would not engage and fire a shot at someone over ten times more experienced and land a direct hit when they have a shield is too specific of a situation and a win condition, whilst Captain America has way more win conditions from the abilities I've listed above.
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A shield that will not protect his entire body from the blast of the explosions he spams, having a more durable shield is nice, but when your physical durability is lower than what your opponent regularly dishes out in an AoE, you aren't going to be enjoying yourself.
 
Therefir said:
Madotsuki24 said:
Also, Captain America has more mobility and better acrobatics than Bakugo, he's over ten times more experienced than him.
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I can't remember the last time Cap was able to fly over a large-building sized robot, or completely changed his movement's directions in an instant.
Simply saying that he has more experience is not enough, you have to explain how that experience is going to help him ins this fight.
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I didn't say that he had only more experience, he has more of everything apart from range. Please try having one year of experience as an army soldier and fight someone who has 40 years of experience with another army soldier and see how it will not end well in the slightest for you. Cap has literally fought someone who has way more mobility than that and won, which was Spiderman. This is nothing new to him.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
Saying that Bakugo would not engage and fire a shot at someone over ten times more experienced and land a direct hit when they have a shield is too specific of a situation and a win condition, whilst Captain America has way more win conditions from the abilities I've listed above.
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As I said before, it's not the first time Bakugou has spammed his explosions from a safe distance without engaging, like in the first part of his fight against Deku, against Uraraka, or like against Nine (the movie villain).

He also spammed explosions against All Might, but in that case you can argue that it was his only option.
 
Abstractions said:
Madotsuki24 said:
Saying that Bakugo would not engage and fire a shot at someone over ten times more experienced and land a direct hit when they have a shield is too specific of a situation and a win condition, whilst Captain America has way more win conditions from the abilities I've listed above.
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A shield that will not protect his entire body from the blast of the explosions he spams, having a more durable shield is nice, but when your physical durability is lower than what your opponent regularly dishes out in an AoE, you aren't going to be enjoying yourself.
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Students from MHA have easily dodged his explosions before and dealt with him with the whole tournament arc right before when the students fight each other physically. If a student can dodge and deal with his explosions, imagine what Cap can do with them. Also, Uraraka could tank loads of explosions from Bakugo and Cap is more durable than her and this is far worse than what Cap has faced before.
 
Therefir said:
Madotsuki24 said:
Saying that Bakugo would not engage and fire a shot at someone over ten times more experienced and land a direct hit when they have a shield is too specific of a situation and a win condition, whilst Captain America has way more win conditions from the abilities I've listed above.
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As I said before, it's not the first time Bakugou has spammed his explosions from a safe distance without engaging, like in the first part of his fight against Deku, against Uraraka, or like against Nine (the movie villain).
He also spammed explosions against All Might, but in that case you can argue that it was his only option.
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He went up close and used physical and short ranged attacks against Midoriya and Uraraka, so he does get close and attack with melee in character first thing. Both of the people he fought also could tank a lot of explosions from him and they are only building level, whilst Cap is city block level with his shield and should have similar if not, more durability than Bakugo.
 
I didn't say that he had only more experience, he has more of everything apart from range. Please try having one year of experience as an army soldier and fight someone who has 40 years of experience with another army soldier and see how it will not end well in the slightest for you. Cap has literally fought someone who has way more mobility than that and won, which was Spiderman. This is nothing new to him.

You say that Cap has everything except range, but it's quite the contrary, his durability and AP is lower, his mobility is way inferior too, and I can even argue that Bakugou has better stamina and pain resistance. 40 years of experience against "normal" humans is useless, and Spider-Man doesn't have any kind of reliable ranged attack, his webs can't hurt anyone and are way to small, and saying that he has more mobility than Bakugo is debatable, without buildings he can't really do much other than running.
 
Therefir said:
I didn't say that he had only more experience, he has more of everything apart from range. Please try having one year of experience as an army soldier and fight someone who has 40 years of experience with another army soldier and see how it will not end well in the slightest for you. Cap has literally fought someone who has way more mobility than that and won, which was Spiderman. This is nothing new to him.
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You say that Cap has everything except range, but it's quite the contrary, his durability and AP is lower, his mobility is way inferior too, and I can even argue that Bakugou has better stamina and pain resistance. 40 years of experience against "normal" humans is useless, and Spider-Man doesn't have any kind of reliable ranged attack, his webs can't hurt anyone and are way to small, and saying that he has more mobility than Bakugo is debatable, without buildings he can't really do much other than running.
AHAHAHAHA, CAPTAIN AMERICA IS A NORMAL HUMAN, WOW! XD

You also said that Spiderman does not have more mobility than Bakugo, which is also so laughable. Honestly, Captain America's AP and durability is lowballed on his page.

Stop downplaying the Marvel characters in an attempt to make your argument look better. I could easily do the same for MHA if I wanted to, but I'm not going to do that because I'm fair and I'm not going to do that.
 
Students from MHA have easily dodged his explosions before and dealt with him with the whole tournament arc right before when the students fight each other physically. If a student can dodge and deal with his explosions, imagine what Cap can do with them. Also, Uraraka could tank loads of explosions from Bakugo and Cap is more durable than her and this is far worse than what Cap has faced before.

We are using RoV Saga Bakugou, who can spam building sized explosions like bread and butter. Using his showings in previous sagas to downplay him is wrong in every way.

Every single one of his explosions could hurt 5% Deku, who is Building level+, while Cap is just Building level.
 
Therefir said:
Students from MHA have easily dodged his explosions before and dealt with him with the whole tournament arc right before when the students fight each other physically. If a student can dodge and deal with his explosions, imagine what Cap can do with them. Also, Uraraka could tank loads of explosions from Bakugo and Cap is more durable than her and this is far worse than what Cap has faced before.
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We are using RoV Saga Bakugou, who can spam building sized explosions like bread and butter. Using his showings in previous sagas to downplay him is wrong in every way.
Every single one of his explosions could hurt 5% Deku, who is Building level+, while Cap is just Building level.

Wait, what? Then how is that not a stomp?
 
Madotsuki24 said:
Students from MHA have easily dodged his explosions before and dealt with him with the whole tournament arc right before when the students fight each other physically. If a student can dodge and deal with his explosions, imagine what Cap can do with them. Also, Uraraka could tank loads of explosions from Bakugo and Cap is more durable than her and this is far worse than what Cap has faced before.
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Uraraka did not fight this arc of Bakugou. This is Rise of Villains Bakugou, who is 8-C+ to High 8-C being compared to Steve's 8-C.

Comparing students that have studied and trained among each other's Quirks in a world where they are commonplace and comparing it to what Cap as of current has faced is different, the students know Bakugou and at that point Bakugou wasn't as experienced as he is in this key. Steve also hasn't faced anyone with an ability like Bakugou's before, to say he would be able to dodge and get a grip on what he's up against without fully understanding it first wouldn't be very honest.
 
Yeah, that's the thing, I think that Bakugo AP stomps and possibly mobility and range stomps then... This should be closed.
 
AHAHAHAHA, CAPTAIN AMERICA IS A NORMAL HUMAN, WOW! XD

You also said that Spiderman does not have more mobility than Bakugo, which is also so laughable. Honestly, Captain America's AP and durability is lowballed on his page.

Stop downplaying the Marvel characters in an attempt to make your argument look better. I could easily do the same for MHA if I wanted to, but I'm not going to do that because I'm fair and I'm not going to do that.

I wasn't referring to Cap, I was referring to his opponents.

Bakugou can fly and move almost freely in the air, that's why I think he has better mobility than Spider-Man, specially without buildings. Also unlike Spider-Man, Bakugou doesn't need to get close to cause a large amount of damage to his enemies.
 
Captain America skillstomps. If Bakugo flies he'll just throw his shield. Shield also counters Explosion Manipulation. Even though I don't know much about Captain America I'm fairly certain he's definitely fought flying opponents.
 
How does Cap outskill someone he can't even get close to? Bakugo just points his hand in Cap's general direction and blows him away, regardless of his shield protecting part of his body. Explosions are like the best counter to Cap's shield, not the other way around, cause Cap can't even approach.

Bakugo can dodge any shield throws by just changing direction mid air, especially with his compressed shots which amp his speed. I can't recall any flying enemies relative to Cap that he could deal with easily, and especially none that spam high 8-c explosions several meters away.

AP, Dura (discounting shield), Range, AoE, versatility (Stun Grenade, howitzer impact, etc.), mobility and possibly stamina all go to Bakugo. Cap has skill and his shield, both of which Bakugo negs with his blasts.
 
I got to go with Cap on this one. While Bakugo can for sure take the one if he plays it smart and keeps his distance, I don't think he will. Bakugo tends to get up close and personal for his battles, with him using his explosions in a pretty close range. Look at his fight against Deku, or in the Class 1-A v. 1-B arc. Bakugo doesn't really try to outrange his opponents, and tends to be in hand to hand range before he ignites. And yeah, Bakugo has a unique fighting style but not one so unique that it can't be combated or learned. Of course, if Bakugo wises up quick enough he'll know that his best bet is to strike from a range but even that might not work fully due to just how effective at taking damge Caps shield is. AP shot and its variations aren't going to do much, his other explosions while not fully blocked are likely to get a lot of their siginificant damage absorbed though Stun grenade and Howtzer Impact could be just what Bakugo needs to seal the deal.

The big issue for Bakugo here, is that two or three hits of caps shield will just put him down.

And Captain America, in H2H definetly trumps Bakugo. At close range, he also has a much greater chance of blocking the brunt of bakugo's explosions and getting him an opening that he needs to get a few good punches in on the kid. Cap also isn't throwing his shield within this battle because he knows he can't get it back, so it's going to be his lifeline and he knows this as well. So the battle itself is one I see with Cap having to end it as soon as possible while Bakugo really just needs to outlast.

I vote Captain America, high difficulty.
 
Bakugo attempts to outrange and aoe his opponent in every fight he's been in. He spams explosions from mid distance, and only ever gets in close to do hit and run attacks. The most cqc he ever got was against Deku, which was highly personal, against other characters, current Bakugo sits back and blows them up DBZ style.

Bakugo has the pain tolerance to take a few of Cap's shield hits, and if anything, will spam even MORE when he notices how tough and deadly it is. Cap would then need to get close to Bakugo to hit him with the shield again, which Bakugo wouldn't allow with his pseudo flight.

Some of Bakugo's larger current explosions take up building sized areas, the damage Cap is negating with his shield is very small. Also, what's stopping Bakugo from using stun grenade, then hitting cap around his shield? It's not like Bakugo is going to beat his head against the shield for the whole fight when he sees it stand up to all his attacks, he'll start poking holes wherever he can, and Cap overcoming that by just "blocking as best as you can" doesn't seem more likely to work to me.
 
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