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I want to start this off by saying that I know their is another CRT but it is dead and I think these additions are quite important regarding to matches that the subjects are frequently involved in, so I decided its best to get this over and done with. This is also why other additions for the Creation Trio will not be included, so that the discussion and subsequent approval/denial can happen quicker.
Lastly I would also like it if the discussion had no derailing, such as how this affects current and future matches, how this effects the Top 5 Strongest thread, the composite nature of Pokémon, how this allows them the beat certain verses, and other stuff of that nature, I just want this to be a discussion about the bellow mentioned additions and if they are accepted or denied.
In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of Chaos
At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
This, as some people no doubt know by now, is a tale about the Creation of the Pokémon World. It will be the primary source of all proposed additions of this CRT. Also anything that mentioned the duo also involved Giratina, its just he isn't mentioned in the myth so I didn't talk about him while referencing it.
Type 2 Concepts
First things first, from my understanding, the difference between Type 3 and Type 2 Concepts is that while both are Abstract in nature Type 3 are linked together with the physical form of their concept, thus even if you can't interact with the Type 3 Concept of Space you can still destroy it by destroying the physical Multiverse it governs.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
I believe this points towards the Concepts of Space and Time, that were born when Palkia and Dialga were created, predating the existence, this is because the above text clearly states the pair, who are the mentioned two beings, actively created the physical world. This means that Concepts of Space and Time existed before the Multiverse and so even if you destroyed the Pokémon Mutliverse, and thus all things that carry a aspect of Space and Time, the Concepts would still exist after as they existed before, and so to would the pair that embody those Concepts.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
I also think this line being after the Original One created the duo and after they wished matter into being could be additional proof that Arceus only created the pair and they created the World after the Concepts had already existed.
Has been completely rejected
Accepted:
Rejected: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1, Executor N0, Lavtop, EmperorRorepme, GyroNutz, The Causality, Adem Warlock69, Zeifyl, The Axiom of Virgo
Immunity to Soul Manipulation
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
understand that the Creation Trio did in fact have this ability once and it was removed, but I disagree with the removal. First off their was questions of if Spirit did in fact equal Souls, I think this can be answered by who created Spirit, with the three living things being Uxie, Azelf, and Mespirit, who embody Knowledge, Willpower, and Emotions. With this knowledge its likely to assume that the Spirit is a immaterial object that all living things have that gives them these three aspects, and at this point their is little difference between a Spirit and what we assume a Soul is.
Another argument against the Immunity of Souls is that the Lake Guardians gave the duo Spirits after the fact, their is not only no proof of this but I believe that their is proof against this. This proof being Cyrus' plan, Cyprus planned to remove the world of Spirit because he hated it, thus he planned to have one or both of the two destroy then recreate the universe as a world without Spirit, this destruction was very likely to not affect the pair so how could he have a world without Spirit if Dialga and Palkia existed with a Spirit. Also the Lake Guardian aren't the only ones shown to control Palkia and Dialga, the Red Chain which was created from the Lake Guardians is also able to, its logical to assume the same power which freed them from the Red Chain was what was used to create it. I very much doubt that Cryus would use the Red Chain if it operated through Spirit and I doubt controlling Spirit would be able to forcefully summon the duo.
Has been Accepted and added
Accepted: Adem Warlock69, The God of Procrastinatio, ProfessorKukui4Life, GyroNutz, Niarobi (Formerly Hadou), Dragopentling, The real cal howard, Rose of Ragnarok, PlozAlcachaz, Zeifyl, Overlord775, The Axiom of Virgo, Mr. Bambu, ZephyrosOmega
Neutral: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1
Rejected:
Abstract Existence Type 1
This is simple, as mentioned before the pair existed before Matter, thus their true selves have no physical or spiritual form. They also embody the Space and Time they create as shown by their Large Size Type 9 and Nigh-Omniprescence. Thus they can only be effected by affecting the Concept they embody, Concepts which are very much Abstract.
Accepted: Adem Warlock69, Niarobi (Formerly Hadou), The real cal howard, Dragopentling, PlozAlcachaz, Overlord775, The Axiom of Virgo, WHYNAUT, StrymULTRA, Luckyfu, ZephyrosOmega
Neutral: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1, ProfessorKukui4Life, Rose of Ragnarok, NeoZex6399, DarkDragonMedeus
Rejected: PaChi2, Kepekley23, Sigurd Snake in The Eye, Mr. Bambu
Lastly I would also like it if the discussion had no derailing, such as how this affects current and future matches, how this effects the Top 5 Strongest thread, the composite nature of Pokémon, how this allows them the beat certain verses, and other stuff of that nature, I just want this to be a discussion about the bellow mentioned additions and if they are accepted or denied.
In the beginning, there was only a churning turmoil of Chaos
At the heart of chaos, where all things became one, appeared an Egg.
Having tumbled from the vortex, the Egg gave rise to the Original One.
From itself, two beings the Original One did make.
Time started to spin. Space began to expand.
From itself again, three living things the Original One did make.
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
This, as some people no doubt know by now, is a tale about the Creation of the Pokémon World. It will be the primary source of all proposed additions of this CRT. Also anything that mentioned the duo also involved Giratina, its just he isn't mentioned in the myth so I didn't talk about him while referencing it.
Type 2 Concepts
The two beings wished, and from them, matter came to be.
The world created, the Original One took to unyielding sleep...
Has been completely rejected
Accepted:
Rejected: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1, Executor N0, Lavtop, EmperorRorepme, GyroNutz, The Causality, Adem Warlock69, Zeifyl, The Axiom of Virgo
Immunity to Soul Manipulation
The three living things wished, and from them, spirit came to be.
Another argument against the Immunity of Souls is that the Lake Guardians gave the duo Spirits after the fact, their is not only no proof of this but I believe that their is proof against this. This proof being Cyrus' plan, Cyprus planned to remove the world of Spirit because he hated it, thus he planned to have one or both of the two destroy then recreate the universe as a world without Spirit, this destruction was very likely to not affect the pair so how could he have a world without Spirit if Dialga and Palkia existed with a Spirit. Also the Lake Guardian aren't the only ones shown to control Palkia and Dialga, the Red Chain which was created from the Lake Guardians is also able to, its logical to assume the same power which freed them from the Red Chain was what was used to create it. I very much doubt that Cryus would use the Red Chain if it operated through Spirit and I doubt controlling Spirit would be able to forcefully summon the duo.
Has been Accepted and added
Accepted: Adem Warlock69, The God of Procrastinatio, ProfessorKukui4Life, GyroNutz, Niarobi (Formerly Hadou), Dragopentling, The real cal howard, Rose of Ragnarok, PlozAlcachaz, Zeifyl, Overlord775, The Axiom of Virgo, Mr. Bambu, ZephyrosOmega
Neutral: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1
Rejected:
Abstract Existence Type 1
This is simple, as mentioned before the pair existed before Matter, thus their true selves have no physical or spiritual form. They also embody the Space and Time they create as shown by their Large Size Type 9 and Nigh-Omniprescence. Thus they can only be effected by affecting the Concept they embody, Concepts which are very much Abstract.
Accepted: Adem Warlock69, Niarobi (Formerly Hadou), The real cal howard, Dragopentling, PlozAlcachaz, Overlord775, The Axiom of Virgo, WHYNAUT, StrymULTRA, Luckyfu, ZephyrosOmega
Neutral: Elizhaa, TriforcePower1, ProfessorKukui4Life, Rose of Ragnarok, NeoZex6399, DarkDragonMedeus
Rejected: PaChi2, Kepekley23, Sigurd Snake in The Eye, Mr. Bambu