Yujiro Hanma (Baki)'s prediction problem

See I'd come up with an alliterative title but we know about max length and such.

Anyway, Yujiro Hanma's issues are here.

Information Analysis

Vitals hunting

The description and argument typically used for Yujiro is that he's beyond MRIs and such. Yeah that makes sense. He could somehow detect Cancer cells, decaying teeth, etc. There's really no way to counter this.

But on the other hand, arguments have been made that somehow Yujiro can see how a cyborg would work. The entire focus of the image set was to show that Yujiro can see vitals. TO say this would work in the level of analyzing machines is already questionable, but if you want to say it can somehow work on say a really advance cyborg? Well, there's no knowledge on Yujiro there.

Anyway, this is indeed Information Analysis but something big is happening below. I'm still gonna read through all of the manga so this will be updated.'


Enhanced Senses


Focusing on the former part with the old man, but I was told and explained that this comes from a feat of him predicting how dangerous an enemy is. Honestly, the second part of the feat is the bigger supporter but the first part is compared to pseudo-precognition. It's not really.

Feat comes in from - Woah old ma

Several issues come to rise.

Why doesn't IA/The ability above activate to actually alert Yujiro about this? Hell even looking at the old man's build is enough to tell anyone this isn't a normal old man. I'm still trying to look for the chapters myself but I'll find it while reading through the manga.

So, IA fails to detect a sort of defined power level and misses the fact that this guy's vitals are strong and this old man isn't deadly. Somehow this gets translated to the fact that it's pseudo-precognition when Yujiro realized this guy isn't as weak as he looks?

I'm fine with it staying as Enhanced Senses. Somehow detecting the power level of your enemy is still impressive. But this clearly brings out some flaws in Yujiro's IA. This also has an issue of NOT being pseudo-precognition and thus should be edited out.


This one...

This is amazing as a feat.

Out of context.

But

https://s2.********.org/data/e673964142527ea3e118d6966b3ef526/x7.jpg

https://s2.********.org/data/e673964142527ea3e118d6966b3ef526/x12.jpg

https://s2.********.org/data/e673964142527ea3e118d6966b3ef526/x13.jpg

https://s2.********.org/data/e673964142527ea3e118d6966b3ef526/x14.jpg

https://s2.********.org/data/e673964142527ea3e118d6966b3ef526/x15.jpg

https://s2.********.org/data/06a29c3f05092fbc4b2fd2b56101b8eb/x15.jpg

Not only was Yujiro watching the entire fight, but this is a common trope in most shonen mangas when a rival or a villain praises a hero and claims they won't easily lose.

Add in the fact that Yujiro didn't exactly predict the fight. In that last page, this is another anti-feat for the IA's "I can predict everything that this human body can do." Not only did he express surprise repeatedly on the below pic and the last pic above-

https://s2.********.org/data/106fe6a279cd8cfb8300799375d09f6d/x19.jpg

This is a very far fry and clear contradiction with the feat "He can predict the outcome of a match by seeing a single battle." Not only did he not know what Baki was going to do exactly but he only knew it was a single strike. It is impressively accurate and if we dismiss the fact that most shonen rivals and antagonists do this, it's still a prediction feat....

But he still needed to see how the two fight.

This is very much contradictory to the feat granted to him by this very link.


So to summarize?


Nerf IA to be more focused on detecting vitals and to what extent it detected

Remove the Pseudo-Precog aspect of Enhanced Senses

Adjust Analytical Prediction to "After seeing two combatants, can slightly predict how a battle would end up."

No more of that situation where Yujiro Hanma immediately knows how to handle an enemy in the beginning of a fight since it's clear his prediction needs time

Bonus If anyone wants to argue about the "I knew it, no one can pull it off like that" it's not a showcase of him being absolutely sure that Baki was going to pull it off. It was a display of awe and being impressed.

Reference - Grappler Baki C69 - C81

Yeah I actually agree with this. I participated in the thread that got his precog downgraded to 'psuedo precog' and personally I wanted it gone completely.

The feats where he 'see's someones fighting spirit' as indicated on his profile has only been shown to work on Hanma's as well who all have the ability to project their fighting spirit.

And yes all of the 'feats' shown for his 'precog' are basically just enhanced sences/analytical prediction in conjunction.

Sweet. Let it be known I don't plan to nerf his abilities, but only to fix those that have massive errors. Cause as of now his abilities are overinflated

I am neutral on this as I see both sides. I'd like to see what others have to say on the matter.

IA doesn't just detect vitals. If Yujiro can see things at a cellular level, then he can see things at a cellular level, short and simple

Pseudo Precog is fine. The problem is that people see "precog" and thing he can actually see the future, when he cannot. The whole point of it being an Enhanced Sixth Sense is that it's a subconscious feeling based on experience and intuition. It's not always going to be correct, but due to his experience and his senses being able to pick up Baki's bloodlust from Africa (amongst other sense feats), his senses are very good, so his pseudo precog is also very good. Think of it as a halfway point between the Intuition skill and Eye of the Mind (True) in the Nasuverse.

Seeing as his IA, IR, PM, and PP are all linked, this is wrong. He's able to instantly learn martial arts at a glance, after seeing them once, or even not even seeing them at all. He was able to discover Ali style martial arts based on his boxing movements even though nobody had ever seen it before.

Ex of PP, IA, and IR

PP'd Sikorsky 1:50-2:20 https://youtu.be/Vszej90jrsg

PP'd and IA'd an entire martial art nobody had ever seen before just based on Ali's movements 1:10-2:02 https://youtu.be/l4K4xCK09gQ

In the Kaku fight, IA and PP would be working against each other. IA would tell him it's 7-C vs 10-C, but PP would tell him 10-C could win, but gives no reason. Hitchen's Razor applied, Yujiro likely ignored his PP until his Instinctive Reaction saves his life. After that, it was all downhill for Kaku. Both of Xiao-Lee's weakness were exposed, Yujiro master it with a glance, and then Kaku abuses Yujiro's IA into thinking he was dead with "Perfect Clinical Death".

With Musashi and Yujiro being as close as they are statistically, it would be impossible for Yujiro to hit him normally without some kind of sixth sense due Musashi's telepathy, yet Yujiro tagged Musashi several times (Baki used the fastest move in the verse, the Lightspeed Jab, and Musashi stopped it from being thrown with telepathy. Yujiro can casually hit this same person.)

Examples of PM to follow

Out of curiosity, when has he ever detected anything to the level that it's explained this way? Has he ever detected anything similar? As of right now the only feat I'm seeing where IA is true is from the narration, and that's it. I am still unable to fathom why him being able to see cells would mean he sees everything going on inside to the point that he can understand machines. I'm not trying to remove this one, I'm just pointing out it's more flawed than the "perfect understanding" people are led to believe such as when you said he can somehow understand machines that are beyond the level of Baki-verse

You don't need precog to see an old man is more dangerous than he seems. Any battle hardened shonen character would immediately realize the issue. The problem here is you're using pre-established IA feats (which is already questionable enough) and saying somehow that he can precog someone who can avoid his Information Analysis. Taken in another route, this could be simplified into this

Yujiro's IA fails to reveal anything relevant about the old man... and he realized immediately that this old man isn't just bark and no bite.

Nothing precogy about that. Not even pseudoy.

Let's not use Fate. The semantics of their abilities can be very annoying and adding that here would just make things more complex than it should be. Anyway, the old man feat isn't precog. It's only given that level because of the silly application of IA.

That's where my issue holds with this. The whole application of all these abilities cause a messy misunderstanding between all of them.

When has he ever used his IA? Also seeing cells is another thing entirely from actually being able to process how everything's going to move.

Where's his IR in the profile? You may have talked about this but we might as well include the inclusion or declusion of that here.

What about his 'mimic' this technique? His fight with Musashi didn't show him doing anything like that and frankly slicing bottles with your hands isn't necessarily a technique. Do you have any other scans of him performing such feats?

I'll assume PM is power mimicry but the links on his page points to a ... strange scene of some sort of face off between him and Baki. From what I'm seeing, this is questionable on why this is power mimicry. Did he copy it from someone?

Video example 1 - Defending against a pragmatic or ambush attack is not precognition/Pseudo precog/Instinctive Reaction/Information Analysis. There has been no showcase of him actually showcasing anything like say Sherlock Scan or something like that. Not to mention the tension between them is already high from the set up. At best you can argue Instinctive Reaction for this. Not any of the other abilities.

Video example 2 - Uh? Where's the copy of techniques here? All Yujiro did was fall backwards. Also watching the entire episode, I doubt Yujiro pulled that all off with one look. Their dialogue heavily sounds like Yujiro didn't meet him the first time and actually showed respect (Which I actually quite like). But there's no clear proof that he figured all of that out in one look. Not to mention you realize how many fighting and even shonen mangas have the character go "You're not even fighting at your best aren't you?" ? This is unusable for backing up IA. If you're gonna say it's how he reacts to it... Well, if you're faster than the enemy you don't necessarily have to know all of their techniques. Hell, clearly Yujiro outsped him in the first bout.

Link for Kaku fight. I don't know how to compare when I don't have the sources. Those previous feats performed that are used to upgrade what Yujiro can do are all Out of Context or sound more amazing without Context. Tell me a chapter and I'll check it out myself.

>Ignore his PP

The line without context lol Anyway I'm comparing this with some source, will update once I find that chapter.

I read his telepathy. NOT ONCE have I actually seen anything that can be even linked to that ability. This is even more of a pain cause I had to reread several times. In fact let's include that on debunking here.

@Baki

Dude I'm reading https://************.com/chapter/new_grappler_baki/chapter_225 so far, and nothing in Yujiro's wording implies him NOT thinking that this old man is weak. He literally spent chapters (beautifully) respecting him.

The precog.... works even less now.

In fact the moment he "sees the attack" seems more like a look of surprise.

I'm beginning to wonder just how many feats are in here that are extreme alongside the validity of the 0.5 again after reading that fight with Baki... are really inaccurate.

C228 - Yujiro got some shades on his punch while attacking.

Also at Hitchen's Razor, Another first time I'm seeing that here, why would he not go all out? Not to mention his clear irritation? You can't just say he toggles off such an ability when his own narration doesn't display it.

It's just that Yujiro's precog, is frankly, nonexistent. Analytical prediction still exists, but Yujiro can't use that in the beginning. Occam's Razor for simplicity

Additionally, https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/**********...26_chapter_228_ultimate_martial_battle/16.jpg C228 Pg 16 Even Yujiro expresses surprise at the martial arts technique. C230 reveals he realized the fighting style, but that doesn't change the fact that he was surprised and took some hits, and couldn't damage the old man in his initial blows properly

C231 - So this is where it came from... But it looks like he barely dodged the attack, and the old man isn't taking him lightly. Not to mention why the heck the sudden fear when he could 'precog' the enemy?

Also you lied. The argument is that 'he's not expecting much from this old man' and that he suddenly dodged an attack from a "weak old man" when he's only Tier 10. Yet this was performed once again after a battle, after he showed great respect to Kaku

C232 - https://************.com/chapter/new_grappler_baki/chapter_232 So that's one display of technique mimicry. At the same time, it is indeed power mimicry but.... He's literally been fighting him and has displayed knowledge of said ability befoerhand. What a hypocrite, calling it a trick and then using said trick himself. But yeah this isn't instant copy of physical techniques.

C233 - Oh hey Baki thanks for backing me up https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_233_manners/13.jpg I still doubt he learnt it beforehand, but still. The fight does make it seem like it's slightly OOC of Yujiro to use their own martial art against them. Maybe. I'll need to see some other PM feats first. Still, it's a far cry from "I instantly know you can pull off this move before the battle even begins"

Conclusion of old man fight - Clever old man. Yeah Kaku faked his death. Yujiro mastered one portion of the ability AFTER seeing it multiple times in action, not in the beginning of a match.

Revision and current goals

Information Analysis is still decent

Pseudo Precognition still doesn't have enough feats to back it up. Will be nerfed to just Enhanced Senses due to detecting battle spirit.

Power Mimicry and Analytical Prediction further reinforce that they cannot be used in the beginning of a fight. Former requires multiple showcases, latter also only has one instance and is bound to be limited.


Musashi's telepathy is very questionable right now

He did it when it was explained, and we haven't seen anything contradictory. All it does is allow him to SEE. He can only detect weakness in flesh due to anatomy, but even if he doesn't understand mechanics, he can still see them unless they're smaller than cells.

At a first glance, he's an old man. Physically, he's 10-C, even more so if Yujiro can see him on a cellular level. His Enhanced Sixth would give him a bad feeling, but he's literally sitting there with a smug look and not giving a shit until IR saves him. The only time Kaku is 7-C is when he uses Xiao-Lee, so Yujiro's IA was working perfectly. No "battle-hardened shonen character" would see him as anything other than a nasty old man unless they have AP, Precog, or something similar since without Xiao-Lee, that's all he is (dude can barely pick up chopsticks).

IA literally reveals that he's 10-C, exactly as intended

The Fate analogy works, and the old man feat scales to his precog via IR and PM

Its passively used at all times, that's outlined when it's discussed. His understanding of what he's seeing comes from his knowledge of anatomy and the human body.

It was agreed to be added from scaling to Baki with statements of an active IR, I'll add it immediately after this

Baki used LSJ, Musashi caught it due to telepathy dispute it blitzing him mere moments before, Yujiro was able to hit Musashi despite his telepathy

As for power mimicry, he's literally shown to copy 2 martial arts after seeing them once, and knowing all about a martial art never even used before just from seeing the creator use an entirely different fighting style. PM is given via IA.

The face is the Hanma Brain, which gives him his IA, PM, IR, and PP

Sikorsky literally disengages and backs off, only to strike Yujiro at an angle impossible to see due to the table in the way, and Yujiro's arm is already there to stop the kick and break the table.

Kaku literally uses Xiao-Lee once and Yujiro figures out that it's weakness is strikes from the top, another weakness in causing body rigidness, and masters Xiao-Lee in that same fight

The Telepathy is fine

He's a master of martial arts, so what? Yujiro acknowledges his hard work and skill, but I doesn't mean Yujiro thinks he's work a shit. Yujiro literally stands there and doesn't give a shit until IR saves him.

Of course he's surprised, IA told him Kaku was 10-C, and PP and IR told him that hit would kill him. How should one react when someone they could see was pathetically weak all of the sudden becomes their equal in strength?

There isn't a single fight where Yujiro goes all out until Yujiro v Baki, and he still holds back slightly

Occam's Razor doesn't apply because I'm currently proving it

Already explained that a martial art that makes someone 7-C from 10-C would surprise anyone, especially someone that can literally see his muscle and bone density

He barely dodged because ES and IR made him move at the last second

No you just don't understand. Nothing Kaku did up to the Xiao-Lee would give him a snowball's chance in hell against Yujiro. He literally became friends with Oliva and Ali because they are some of the strongest their nations have to offer (just like Kaku and China), but he literally two shots the former, and could one shot the later in his early 20s

Baki says he already knew it, yet Retsu says he didn't. Neither know for sure, but during the Baki v Yujiro fight, Baki proves himself wrong. He literally invents Imagination Style, and Yujiro copies it after seeing it once and makes it better

Yujiro knows all of its weaknesses after seeing it once, masters it after their brief exchange, and as far as not even seeing it, that was Ali, not Kaku

I agree with IA

I think we should continue discussing PP, but if we can't find an agreement, I'd be fine with just ES

I think PM/AP is fine where it is due to the Kaku showings only taking one use for AP and PM taking a small engagement, the Ali showings allow Yujiro to know about a never-before-seen martial art, and the Baki showing having perfected a martial art seen once

How is Musashi's telepathy questionable? It hasn't even been mentioned

Yeah. Like I said. It's fine to view machines and see them. But no way is he able to understand the complexities of it. I did have to hold back on the contradiction part but mostly because of the whole flak on that is what my issue is.

Look. Physically, Dragon Ball characters can barely destroy landmasses. Yet they're still Tier 3 and such. A good chunk of characters in Baki don't destroy city blocks or walls in one strike or such but they're on that level. If an old man performs a frankly impressive wall busting feat (which everyone is amazed by), it's impressive. No one is undermining or saying "Wow that old man is weak, he only destroyed a wall instead of making an earthquake like Yujiro did". He is not unassuming. He is literally the final weapon that was used. He is literally the strongest representative of China there. Also, the way I see it considering he was taking hits from Yujiro even without it, he's frankly on the same tier level. His technique was failing and he was being punted around and kicked around. Hell he ditched his defensive style. This so called "Tier gap upgrade" doesn't exist. It's literally just him being that strong. If he was so much weaker that he's Tier 10 well he should be dead from the first strike without his technique.

No. IA would've revealed all those peak muscles. That something was wrong. He is NOT Tier 10-C if he can take hits from Yujiro. If the only reason he has this is because he can't hold chopsticks anymore it seems more that's because he's not in battle. Also idk about you but that old man isn't just bones and skin. Those are some muscles in any of the pages in his fight. The existence of more feats showing him taking hits from Yujiro easily cements his status as being way above Tier 10.

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/**********...l26_chapter_228_ultimate_martial_battle/5.jpg Guy's literally flying around

Nope. Doesn't. Describe it in normal details. Also. No. Old man is literally keeping up with him. It's not precog to think "The old man is saying his attack is just a weak old punch.... IS that normal? Should I believe him? No wait... I SHOULDNT BELIEVE HIM." It's common sense. Or is Yujiro dumb to the point that he has to rely on precog or instincts for that lol... Surely you don't think that?

At least try to be clear with your short lines. I mean I love that we're having not overly long threads, but at least define "IT" is passively used. IA? Sure, I believe that. Anything else? Yeah no.

I can believe that then.

There is literaly nothing saying about telepathy. He was just faster.

Where's this 2 martial artists? So far I've only see him copy one. PM is given IA is an extreme wank when there has never been a displayed case of Yujiro doing all of that exactly as you describe it. Link me. Seriously. Give me a name. I'll shut it down for you.

Faster reactions = You hear the sound of wood breaking = You block the attack. If an enemy is backing off and their upper body isn't attacking, you're gonna have to block from below. Even if wood can somehow block IA this is by no means precog.

>One time

Here it is

One - https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/**********...26_chapter_228_ultimate_martial_battle/15.jpg

Two -

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_229_xiao_lee/3.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_229_xiao_lee/4.jpg

Three -

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_229_xiao_lee/14.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_229_xiao_lee/15.jpg

A very far cry from the information you've spread of him mastering abilities BEFORE he even fights from sight alone.

You described it to me earlier. I still see nothing here. https://************.com/chapter/baki_dou/chapter_31 Reread it thrice.

He literally countered it by being faster. So he was just not taking him seriously the previous time.

https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_31_catch/19.jpg

Further backing of Musashi not taking him seriously the first time.

Telepathy for Musashi was agreed in a former CRT

Would someone be kind enough to link me to said CRT in the first place?

Cause if this is Limited Subjective Reality manip for Baki again...

Found it. It's literally just a minor discussion on the Revisions. I'm gonna guess there's another thread of that not on the Revisions. Anyway like I said, it didn't even seem like Musashi was trying

If we are in agreeance that he can see on a cellular level, but only detect weakness/understand things about humans and normal human anatomy, this point can be dropped

Its is very specifically outlined at the end of the fight that Yujiro could overwhelm Xiao-Lee with just strength. Kaku is only 10-C normally. He couldn't hurt a normal reporter, he beat his other opponent by flicking their testicles, and he can't even walk for extended periods of time. Yujiro's IA showed him this. The technique was never broken throughout the fight, only weakened. The final strike would've broken it, and Kaku literally faked his own death to avoid the hit.

He is 10-C FRA

Yet chopsticks are boulders to him in his own words. He is literally descibed as the Ultimate Logic, implying that all of his power is just martial skill.

It is, however, pseudo-precog to ignore someone and think they don't stand a chance against you, only to avoid their attack out of the blue.

Yujiro's PP. You claimed it doesnt exist, I have seen nothing to indicate as such

Telepathy for Musashi was agreed in a former CRT

1. All weaknesses of Xiao-Lee after one look, mastered it after a breif exchange

2. Knew about Ali's style and its weakness even though its never been seen before. He was able to dicover it just by watching Ali box, a completely different style of fighting to the one Ali created

3. Baki invents Imagine style, Yujiro masters it after seeing it once

The wood didnt break until Yujiro shattered it. His arm was already in position, aka PP

Wrong: I clearly stated that he discovered both of its weaknesses after seeing it once (which he did) and mastered it after a brief exchange (which he did)

Did you miss the section right before that where they spend 15 panels talking about how Musashi literally read Baki's mind?

Also, IR has been added to Yujiro

Good. One down.

If you can flick a ******** of an adult person and defeat them from that alone, you're at least a normal human. Nothing about Kaku is "weak". He has a lot of techniques to back that up. That's like saying Mumen Rider is weaker than average humans when he gets beat up a lot, when his big feat is standing up to a Sea King monster. But not gonna derail, are those in any way close to those chapters I read? Because even with that in mind, he STILL took hits from Yujiro while not using his techniques. If he was merely Tier 10 and only utilized techniques and is a glass cannon, by all means these feats are impossible and he frankly would've died on the spot.

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/3.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/4.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/5.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/12.jpg

Bonus - https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/**********.../vol26_chapter_231_the_fist_of_a_kaioh/18.jpg

The old man's ability also has a nifty benefit of absorbing all the damage he takes sure. But he still has to survive the actaul damage he receives. There is no way he's fragile like that. I find it incredibly doubtful that he's merely fragile and is capable of taking in all that tension and damage, and reflect them a la Nanatsu no Taizai Revenge Counter

K, FRA

When his martial arts was literaly shut down and he's being slammed on the wall. His martial arts wasn't working there. Being slammed on a wall with enough force to leave a crater in combat when you're giving your all >>> Struggling with chop sticks when you want to save your energy

Oh you're forgetting a few things. The old man also said these:

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_230_rigidity/17.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_230_rigidity/18.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol23_chapter_230_rigidity/19.jpg

So no. Yujiro didn't just instinctually dodge. He heard the old man say "You almost died. Oh? You don't believe me? That's cool. Let me just hit you."

That is not pseudo-precog. That's common sense. To be wary of an attack when your enemy is boasting he's about to go all out. So no. It's not some random old enemy who suddenly out of nowhere tried to use a superb powerful attack. The old man literally telegraphed said attack and then used said attack.

I have seen nothing from you that implies it exists. Argument FRA

1) That one I can't deny. However, this is the only existing feat. And literally every other martial artist can do this. It's literally letting the blow push you farther so that you won't get damaged. You have Angel no Densetsu's Kitano, or Kengan Fighters. All of them let themselves be pushed by an attack and receive less or littel damage.

2) I literally explained above that if he's a big fan of Ali to the point of massively respecting him, it's not abnormal to think he's better than that. Especially if he has IA revealing that "Huh, this guy might be great at kicks too" and such. The video you sent me had nothing to show that was copied. Hell. What's the manga chapters Maybe they extended it there. Also even then, if you're superbly fast and stronger compared to the other character, you don't need to know their technique to dodge them.

3) ... Context???

Very much false. Repeatedly pausing or moving frame by frame has the kick moving, and suddenly we cut to the sight of the wood broken already, and the kick blocked by Yujiro. There is no time frame. But I'm gonna go ahead and assume that wood BREAKS after you kick it and that you can push the chunks of it away, BEFORE you hit the enemy.

You don't need to figure out those martial artists with some ingenius mind. If the enemy is literally dispersing the blow by spinning or letting themselves be knocked around, punch them to the wall. Hell you just have to grab them and keep them still while you pound on them. Not exactly scret super weakness material.

Wait.... Did you mean these ones?

https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_30_two_sword_style/4.jpg

https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_30_two_sword_style/5.jpg

... He was describing a skill that happened.... Not read his mind and interrupt him. My dude. That is not telepathy. That doesn't even look like a different attack from earlier. He's not interrupting him in mid-fight!!!

Further bad news for your speed amp -https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_30_two_sword_style/6.jpg

"I wanted to know the effect your technique would have." So hell he might've seen it and allowed it to hit after all. Which would make sense considering how accurately he's describing the technique. So no. No telepathy either.

Bonus comparison to prove it's not mind reading. This is the attack being described

https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_29_jab/15.jpg

https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_29_jab/16.jpg

@Second post

Aight

I don't see how that makes you average human, he's literally flicking the dudes bare ********.

Xiao-Lee is negging the damage. The only it's even mentioned that he can use Xiao-Lee is between Yujiro and being pinned to a wall. He's clearly still using Xiao-Lee against Yujiro's punches or else he'd be dead right then and there. He can't, however redirect that energy with offensive Xiao-Lee, as the same force is applied to Kaku's back as he hits the wall. He uses DX on Yujiro's punch, OX on the wall to stop him from splattering, essentially stopping any effective use of Xiao-Lee

If it was just Yujiro being wary of an attack he expected to do damage, he wouldn't have been shocked upon dodging any of them, Yujiro literally has NO REASON to believe him. Retsu is literally his teammate, common sense would dictate that if a 10-C old man says he can kill you in one hit and you're 7-C, he's full of shit

The purpose of the video wasn't about Yujiro actually copying his style, it's that Ali has never even used it and Yujiro knew it existed. IA told him Ali knows a style that doesn't even exist, and if he was able to copy Xiao-Lee after a brief fight (one of the hardest martial arts to master in the verse) and Imagine Style after seeing it once, he should easily be able to copy it at least after that exchange.

Bro, the table literally breaks because Sikorsky kicks it into Yujiro's arm. If Yujiro's arm hadn't had already been there, the table wouldn't have broken, as there was no force applied to the other side of the wood causing it to break

Its easy to say that in hindsight, not so much in action, and grabbing him wouldn't work due to my explanation of why the wall DID work

No, I'm describing the panels as Musashi is catching the second Jab.

>he beat his other opponent by flicking their testicles

This is your exact quote. I'm using your quotes for this because I have no idea where that feat happens. Heck I asked you for such quotations. I'm not getting any chapter links or such.

Xiao-Lee does it by dispersing the damage. Literally loosening all your muscles and making it so that the blow is sent backwards. He literally was described to not be able to use it when he's being slammed on the walls.

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/3.jpg

And even if it was being only hit there once (Which it's not) that's still way beyond than any Tier 10-C old man could ever hope for.

This is baki verse. Everyone is full of hot shit and most can back it up. Not to mention, does common sense als dictate that the guy who is literally famous for being a massive legend and is being used as a representative, nothing more than an old man? Oh yeah good idea, let's just confidently put all our trust and faith in an old man who's clearler weaker than an ordinary teenager into this matchup against the world's strongest fighter. Do you think Yujiro would actually just go "This guy is full of hot shit" because of a lack of common sense to the point that he needs precog for that??? If it was just a random street fight maybe you're right, but this old man is literally famous and is being tossed out to still fight in a tournament. Don't tell me you really think everyont thinks he can't take a hit on that level?

Yeah and?? It's the same thing as sensing other people's energy levels. It's the same thing in shonen where "You're not even baring your fangs/going all out/in your final form" or etc. And like I said, for all we know IA only showed that he's developed a physique not of a boxer only but also of a mixed martial artist. In the first place, Yujiro asking him to show him his technique/true power doesn't show he knows everything about him.

Because Yujiro was still standing there. A table would break if it hits a target. This ain't Pseudo precog. This is him reacting. If the enemy is slower than you in the first place, there's no way their attacks can reach you even if it's a suprise much less an attack from the front. Considering this guy seems like he's not even worth Yujiro's time, yeah. No. It's him reacting. Honestly the semantics of the previous wood thing got confusing but point stands.

Ah. Still an issue. If it's the one that led to Baki's defeat, we literally talked about this in 0.5. If you're faster than the user of 0.5, it doesn't work on you. "What if a person is faster than that" https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_31_catch/7.jpg

The signal could be easily Baki's motion. That's it. I'm pretty sure there's no mind reading and much like the whole Limited subjective reality BS thing, the existence of more "Haxxy Psychic abiilties" don't exist for martial artists.

After all, he already expressed how he wanted to see what the first one would do.


Much of the feats here are being pulled up to a highball. You're assuming the best out of everything and the worst out of certain situations to elevate Yujiro. That isn't right.

Though honestly, much of this can be already concluded now sine this becomes based on what people think

I did a quick reread of https://************.com/chapter/new_grappler_baki/chapter_225 by the way

So not only does he "defy his Tier 10-C status when he's in combat without even using any techniques" but he also is clearly very respected by Yujiro, praised to be one of the best compared to most Chinese or even all of Asia

But the final coffin?

His first attack was literally that attack. So yeah. It's common sense to be wary of the first attack in the first place and even for all that Yujiro says, even as he backs off, there's really nothing that shows he underestimates the fellow. If anything it feels more like he's trying to get them to do their best against him.

To get rid of half of the paragraphs we have to type back an forth, I'll sum up 10-C Kaku with this: I could argue each of the presented points, but even if I didn't, by your own logic of anti-feats, there are waaaay more things saying Kaku is 10-C without Xiao-Lee, so tanking hits from Yujiro without Xiao-Lee would be outliers

The whole point of the character Kaku Kaioh is that he's sacrificed all strength for ultimate skill. Short of actually having real precog, Yujiro has no way of knowing that being the most skilled in China means jumping from 10-C to 7-C. That's literally a amp of well over a million with skill alone, which is absurd, yet Yujiro IR and PP still alerted him of the danger despite having no reason to be wary of a ultra skilled 10-C. Doppo was literally referred to as the Karate God of War, and Yujiro not only underestimated him, but was equal with him while barely trying, and Doppo was 8-B, way higher than Kaku with similar praise. Yujiro oneshot him after even getting remotely serious. What would make Yujiro think this situation was any different? IA and PP were working against each other

Hes not, he blocks it with his arm. Unless Yujiro brought his arm down and blocked for no reason, and then Sikorsky tried to kick the table into Yujiro's arm for no reason, and then was shocked for some reason, his arm both wasn't the intended target and wasn't there before the Sikorsky brought the table up. If Yujiro was "overwhelmed" by Doppo in speed before, it's obvious that he doesn't operate at 100% every single second (and why would he have to with PP, IA, and IR?)

The difference in Musashi's is that Baki and Yujiro were just attacking before the opponent did something. Musashi is shown to know what his opponent is trying to do (Baki and the LSJ)

I don't know why Musashi's telepathy was brought into this. My mans literally read Baki's mind to know what he would do before Baki even knew it. That should be dropped right away.

Amlad22 said:

I don't know why Musashi's telepathy was brought into this. My mans literally read Baki's mind to know what he would do before Baki even knew it. That should be dropped right away.

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Agreed

The more relevant point is Kaku taking hits from Yujiro without his techniques. All of the anti-feats you're using can be all explained away by having Kaku use more of his energy in actual fighting rather than any other task. Your lack of sources hurts you more here. Show some pics at least. Or videos.

The whole point is contradicted. It's not the first time the creator screwed up. You're also going under the assumption that Yujiro assumes the old man is just 10-C. Which is already unrealistic with how fondly he speaks of, how his IA should show what he can do, and frankly if even the old man tries to do anything without being tiers higher, he'd die. Simple. That's all there is to it. Also simple. It's you that's the issue. Yujiro oneshits him after getting serious, same case here for Kaku. But the major issue is how you somehow get precog when all it really took is Yujiro taking him seriously. That's it. No precog. And simple. One of them doesn't exist. The other one exists. You can keep lowballing the old man as someone unworthy to Yujiro, but he has common sense.

What. Look, point of the matter is, you don't need precog when you have fast reactions in this case. I don't know what you're trying to say for the first half of that but you can't argue the case for that. Oh look at that, more proof that 0.5 only works below the peak speed limit. And because he's arrogant. Simple. He's the best of all fighters and everyone else to him is weak and not worthy. And no. Simply put, even if he has none of thise abilities, he would've been fine with enemy.


https://s6.mkklcdnv6.com/************/b1/baki_dou/vol3_chapter_31_catch/7.jpg

Two dialogues are being compared here

"What if he's faster than the enemy?"

"What if he could catch that signal before the enemy can attack."

It's not speaking of any mind reading. It's speaking that he saw the attack coming. It's basic. That's all there is.

Unless you want to freaking explain why he never used that against Yujiro and why he was shocked too that someone else attacked him? Or how his telepathy doesn't make him realize that people around him were looking at him and Yujiro when they were walking?

So. Many. Anti-feats.


Honestly the only way this debate can actually be productive is if you show me some chapters or pictures. That was the only times we were able to progress with anything.


TLDR

IA is fine

Pseudo Precog should be removed because of the context of Kaku's fight being exxagerated and twisted.

Analytical Prediction - You're not contending with this so I'm gonna go ahead and assume you're fine with it being limited to "Needs exposure to enemy's battle strategy several times and it doesn't give him 100% of how a battle will end up"

Power Mimicry is still highly questionable since what Yujiro only copied is the concept of letting his force be dispersed in the air by a strike. Aka weakening a blow when you get hit, and has never ever shown such an ability again.

Power detection from Ali.

Musashi's telepathy is a lie. If such an ability exists, it would be frankly noted by anyone in the franchise or used again anywher else

It's clear that Yujiro's IA is way more than just detecting vitals. It can detect any weakness that is physical, since it's compared to high tech x-ray machines and extremely skilled surgeons (with their equipment).

He should have 6th sense or something similar for his fight with Kaku, not pseudo precog or anything like that.

Analytical Prediction should stay imo.

Power Mimicry is perfectly fine, everyone explictly said Yujiro MASTERED Xiao Lee, and it's not really "weakening a blow when you get hit". It's one of, if not THE hardest martial art of the verse to learn. Even Retsu, a martial art genius, needed heavy training to use an incompleted version of it. Even Kaku Kaioh himself says Yujiro mastered it and Yujiro says that "it's rude to fight back with the opponent's mastered martial arts".

Musashi has precognition via telepathy, not overall telepathy so i think it's alright.

These are my opinions.

I getcha. Is there any other sources for that? I think just making that comparison isn't enough. I'm fine with it staying but it shouldn't be used as an excuse for Yujiro to somehow understand how a cyborg or such to work.

I'm also fine with that. We need to remove that pseudo precog aspect.

Oh no I'm not removing Analytical Prediction. I'm fine with it staying. My issue with it is that it's used as "Instantly Yujiro knows everything an enemy can do" which is incredibly false. This is more of a "Just in case" note that card is pulled again. It should be written as how Yujiro uses it. Needs some time, but once he gets enough from the enemy, he can use it.

Idk, it seems more like such an obscure martial art to me. The last Even statement isn't really a point, but everything else sounds about right. With those arguments I'm fine with it staying. Some of the statements about the crowd shouldn't necessiate that they're right though, but if Retsu (The guy wtih Baki I assume) and even the old man agrees then I think it's believable. HOWEVER, I disagree heavily with somehow Yujiro mimicking what an enemy can do PRIOR to even seeing their fights or skills.

Sorry but isn't what he just doing recognizing what Baki was about to do by stance? AFter all he's showcased a great viewing rate of Baki and the reason why he was hit was because he just wanted to see how that attack goes. (I can bring images if you want?)

But you told me that if there are more feats to say a certain thing, thats what we go with, ergo, Kaku is 10-C

First, Yujiro respects Ali, who is like Wall level. Respect =/= Yujiro thinking you can even hurt him. Second, IA isn't Precognition, so he'd have no way of knowing that Kaku can amp himself x1,000,000+, especially since his amp is instrinscally tied to soft muscles, of which both Ali and Marilyn Manroe had. Finally, I've already explained that Xiao-Lee brings him from 10-C to 7-C.

Because of how rediculious the argument is that Yujiro didn't PP the table. Why would Yujiro's arm already be there if he didnt precog the table flip? Are we really trying to say that he stuck his arm out there for no reason? Or are we assuming he moved his arm there during the transition, becasue if that's the case, Occam's would incline to disagree.

"What if he could catch that signal before the enemy can attack." You literally posted the part where it outlines that Musashi is reading the opponent's attack before its thrown.

Just because its not mentioned every single time its used, doesn't mean its not used. It's not evem a point of Occam's anymore, Musashi literally talks about how he uses it all the time

That's the whole point. Musashi is comparable to Yujiro, yet Musashi is using his weird Samurai Battle precog thingy, so unless Yujiro had some kind of precog, he would literally never even tag Musashi.

I've tried linking things before, but you usually either miss what I tried to link or somehow see something completely different.


Still haven't seen anything to indict a removal of PP is warrented

His IA and AP worked on a martial art hed never even seen before, so i still disagree with that

Xiao-Lee and Imagine Style, so no

Musashi's telepathy is still fine

Yeah I'm not getting the arguments against Musashi for sure. It's been clearly stated and shown that Musashi can perceive someone's thoughts before they attack. It's basically precog but he gets the precog by reading their thoughts. He's used it against Baki twice so you can't even try to toss it aside as a one time occurrence.

If you apply logic to it (aka what I'm doing and the basis that he only gets to Tier 7 in combat instead of outside), the existence of anti-feats becomes simple traits. And even then, you can't just apply anti-feats in one end of the spectrum before not applying it onto the rest. Not to mention this particular feat (contending with Yujiro and being above everyone else on the tourney) is a BIG feat. Otherwise, this just means more contradiction and makes Baki even more questionable on the inclusion here in VSB.

It's about personality and character. But also about their strength and growth. It doesn't mean they're close to being equal to him. It doesn't change the fact that he still took them seriously. And that he was still actually briefly afraid of Kaku, even with his IA.

You're right. So you better not use IA + analytical predict as a precog combo on the next thread with either user.

And my argument is that Xiao Lee is debunked by the fact that in combat, Kaku takes more hits than any of that and that his technique isn't working. You can't dismiss that and still call him Tier 10. They literally called his ability not working, and that he took damage from that attack yet you're still arguing that he's still Tier 10. A true Tier 10 would be dead.

Anyway we're getting off topic. I can argue to just upgrade that old man to Tier 7 but tbh I'm sick of discussing Baki this Baki that so I'll leave that alone. Point is, even KG agrees that pseudo precog doesn't deserve to be there. And it still makes sense that "If an enemy attacks me for the first time, I'm gonna be wary" is a simple non-pseudo-precog using tactic for Yujiro.

Let me make this as simple and clear as possible. YOU DONT NEED PRECOGNITION TO REACT TO SOMETHING SLOWER THAN YOU EVEN IF IT'S AN AMBUSH This entire thing has been utterly confusing because of how the scene is displayed. I honestly thought he just kicked him through a table. But you can't turn this into a feat. No. Flat out no. Even instinctive reaction is questionable.

Jesus Christ. You know what's a signal? An enemy moves. A slight twitch in the eye. A slight flex of a muscle. Definition of a signal (a gesture, action, or sound that is used to convey information or instructions, typically by prearrangement between the parties concerned.) But alright let's just somehow believe that Musashi can read minds when-

A - Musashi literally wanted to see how Baki was gonna attack with that Jab and only got hit for that reason

B - Telepathic reading has never ever been used by Musashi ever again

This is literally a speed feat being wanked.

Occam's Razor is simple. Literally simple. Don't make this needlessly complex for yourself and everyone else. Such a big ability would have more emphasis. If it was a small time ability like say "Being faster than an enemy" then it wouldn't have to be mentioned. That's all there is. Recognizing what the enemy is about to do. That's it.

https://********.org/chapter/202863/11 Placing it here for placeholder. But not once has he have that similar look. I'm giving up on this either way.

Debunking is not "Missing". It just means you're wrong or I'm wrong. Or you're scared of me debunking more of it. Don't worry though not gonna touch Baki after this but it's still worth a shot and much better to discuss. IF anything you linking those feats actually help clarify a lot. Sides you done the same stuff I have with all the stuff I lay out for you


The TLDR is for people who I just linked in case they don't wanna read walls of text.

Anyway that's gonna be my final say. People can decide whatever after this. This is really just back and forth at this point.

I'll keep this brief: Kaku Kaioh is way more consistently 10-C without Xiao-Lee, so any 7-C feats without Xiao-Lee are outliers

He was scare BECAUSE his IA misled him, as I explained

I don't see why I wouldn't.

Again, outlier. He's 10-C

Still haven't seen anything to actually warrant its removal

His arm was already in position to block it, so it's PP, speed advantage would be if Yujiro blocked it as it was coming up or something to that effect

Thats great out of context, but of course in context they were referring to brain signals

Alright cool

The only reason i think pseudo precog should be 6th sense is because i think he didn't sense the aftermath of the punch but rather its danger


This is implicit because there's a panel that shows an aura involving the fist about to hit Yujiro and Yujiro was looking at the aura with a surprised face before dodging

KGiffoni said:

The only reason i think pseudo precog should be 6th sense is because i think he didn't sense the aftermath of the punch but rather its danger


This is implicit because there's a panel that shows an aura involving the fist about to hit Yujiro and Yujiro was looking at the aura with a surprised face before dodging

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I can see that, it never actually shows a result, just indicates danger

Yeah the factor of danger over result is very important honestly.

Anyway to the main argument, backish now


Kaku -

>Took several hits from Yujiro WITHOUT his technique

>Sent him flying

>The existence of his technique would be impossible even for a withered person

>Frankly he still has a lot of muscles going in for him

>He can jump to the sky with ease without clear use of techniques

>When his technique was 'cancelled' by the hair pulling too he literally took a hit from Yujiro and is surprised. No chance for a counter

Anti feats : Can't lift a chopsticks since it's heavy like a boulder, the ******** guy incident, can't harm a reporter.

But these can all be converted to something consistent by saying "He only ever really reaches his Tier when he goes into combat instead of just when he's using techniques". Authors can be wrong. Remember the optical nerve incident? Or the inaccurate 0.5 reaction time of regular people? (Don't argue with me saying 0.5 applies to anyone slower than Yujiro, I'm talking about the actual reaction time on the book). These can all be validated just like that.

IA never detected anything wrong because IA only reveals cellular knowledge. There is no "Resistance against information analysis" or such. Nothing as such.

You literally used it on Raiden last time. Somehow figuring out his blade can oneshot him and such. Anyway that's not on topic and we don't want to lengthen this anymore than we should.

That would be the case. But you're wrong. It's more believable and more consistent for his 'combat mode' to use up energy during situations where he NEEDS to fight than those other incidents. Nothing else.

Again. You're wrong.

>Old man is literally attacking for the first time

>After displaying his special techniques

>After Yujiro expresses interest/respect in his techniques

>And still sent Yujiro cowering back already proving that his pseudo precog is wrong, since... by all logic, that attack shouldn't even hurt him the moment he got serious. There's no true danger the moment he went serious mode. He was just not getting hit by the first blow and unsure of how strong the old guy is.

So ... It's him literally being cautious. Not precog. Not pseudo precog. But I think KG pretty much points it out anyway.

https://youtu.be/Vszej90jrsg?t=114

Once again you're wrong. One moment we see the kick moving. The next moment, it's already blocked. That doesn't mean anything close to pseudo precog. He blocked. That's all there is to it. We don't know whether he moved his arm during the attack or before it. But frankly if you're basing off this precog off an offscreen attack? I'm afraid you're wrong. I don't need precognition to figure out an ant is approaching a direction to move my arm that way. I don't know how you can translate that to this.

I can say that to many of the feats you've given. Why do you think are we here right now? Anyway not rereading that for the 15th time. If you want to create an ability out of nothing then alright.


Though now we just need to wati for reactions

> Outlier

> It's a work of fiction, a man that shoots lasers out of his eyes is impossible, that doesn't make it any less possible in the work

> We are literally shown his muscle wither away to what it is in his backstory

> The whole point of the character is that he can still do a lot of things that require strength, but relies solely on skill

> Still an outlier because...

> Chopsticks feel heavy, he couldn't beat a low tier enemy with physical strength at all, he can't even walk for extended periods of time without a wheelchair, and he literally put all of his physical might into a flick and couldn't hurt an average human

Except he's shown twice "in combat" that he's still that weak. Only when he uses his skills like Xiao-Lee and his "beyond Chinese Martial Arts" can he actually do anything

Thats wrong. It detects weakness down to the cellular level. I'm pretty sure if he can see the integrity of a single cell, he can tell that the old man is 10-C via musculature (only becoming 7-C with Xiao-Lee)

No, I clarified after being told it was an advance technology from the future that Yujiro wouldn't know that he'd only avoid it because it's a blade made of something he doesn't even recognize

No it's not, he literally couldn't beat fodder without flicking a nerve on his ball, and that reporter's forehead is fine. His 7-C stuff without Xiao-Lee is clearly an outlier. Hell, look at the context of the character himself: a weak old man that spent 115 years giving up all of his muscles in order to achieve true skill

You do know Xiao-Lee is a two part martial art, right? He saw Kaku take a hit AND dish one out, and that's what gave him the info he needed... he used Xiao-Lee once. And how is there no danger??? Understanding the move and everything about it doesn't equate to not being affected by it, Yujiro isn't Yhwach. It's still a punch that could causally send a 250 lbs Town level fighter sailing backward.

It would however still be Enhanced Sixth as KG and I have agreed on

Same clip, yet somehow seeing something entirely different... Sikorsky kicks, and Yujiro's arm was already there. We don't see it move, we aren't given any indication that he moved it there after the attack had begun, nothing. Occam's

And I could say the same for you

Taking a hit and being slammed onto a wall repeatedly and go toe to toe with Yujiro when all of his technique is cancelled/or not being used is NOT strength by only skill. You can preach outlier all you want but this isn't the first time Baki has been contradictory to itself.

>Takes numerous hits from Yujiro without his technique

>SEVERAL TIMES

If it was a one time event I'd agree but nope.

Yes because he said all that right? Because he expressed that right? Because he actually did that right? The best you got is the whole hair pulling thing. Nothing else. Not once has he weak he's just a weak old man. Something of that would be noticeable.

After reading through this and a few replies https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3764202#333 it sounded like you somehow said he would predict all of Raiden's stuff. But if your intention was that then aight. Just worded weirdly

And yet we still have him actually harming and TAKING HITS from Yujiro. You can spout outlier all you want, but it sounds more like the actual outliers are every other existing feats. It wouldn't be an outlier if he didn't actually go man to man brawling out and using his strength against Yujiro. Also even with that context.... this still designates the removal of pseudo precog. We're gonna be doing this dance all night. Also maybe a helpful showcase of WHERE Kaku would do that to the reporter would help clarify. Because the last time you said this he literally just attacked the balls of some guy. That's all you said. Also, you can have all the technique you want, chances are he's still gonna be on that same level.

And water is wet, yes I know. The only time Kaku attacked again was when he started talking about being a frail old man and that Yujiro almost died. I don't know what you're trying to say here. But if anything that sounds more like a bigger anti-feat to his IA and precog. If IA can fail that badly against someone who just displayed their strength. Not to mention the fact that my center point is simple. Nothing the old man has done is pseudo precog worthy . It's just Yujiro reacting.

If you pretty much agreed on everything on this why are you still arguing on me about the others?

Why do you think am I showing it???? Occar's razor doesn't mean instantly blocking and wanking mate. It's already more complex that you're assuming he suddenly precogged this when the more simpler and actually better solution is that it's a reactions.

False lol. You're the one giving me feats to dismantle. Not the other way around.

Could someone give me a TLR of the whole discussion about Kaku Kaioh being 10-C physically or not?

Basically he should be Tier 10-C for these reasons:

- Holding a chopsticks feels like holding boulders

- Can't harm a reporter

- Has to defeat someone by striking a nerve at their balls

My issue with these is that, it sounds more like the first one is a choice and the other two have little context or source. I want to see the full story since the last time we didn't have a full story we got pseudo precog and some misunderstandings

Meanwhile you have actual feats of being slammed around without using his techniques:


https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/3.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/4.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/5.jpg

https://s5.mkklcdnv5.com/************/n1/new_grappler_baki/vol27_chapter_235_handicaps/12.jpg

This would be an outlier... If it was a one time thing only, but we actually see him going man oh e mano with Yujiro.

He's not Tier 10 in combat basically otherwise he'd be already dead unless you're saying to me that Yujiro's strike at those points that broke the wall are very weak

No, he's 7-C in combat via defensive and offensive xiao-lee but he's always 10-C physically speaking

KGiffoni said:

No, he's 7-C in combat via defensive and offensive xiao-lee but he's always 10-C physically speaking

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I tried explaining that to no avail

He's 10-C. If you want to waste time trying to CRT that, be my guest

I meant it works as in he can see it, hence the mention of size as opposed to actually being able to figure out what it is he's looking at (he wouldn't know the tech)

Me and KG have already come to the conclusion that it isn't PP, but not for that reason. It's clearly not just reaction for the reasons I've already listed. He's 10-C without Xiao-Lee, 7-C with

Because it's a distinction with a massive difference. The conclusion is correct, but how you are coming to said conclusion (that it isn't PP) is entirely incorrect

Youve literally been giving me "7-C Kaku feats" for several posts now, so no, you are also providing feats, which are outliers as I've already outlined

This isn't the first time basic logic contradicts the creator's words. But considering precog doesn't rely on this... well, anyway dropping it even if I disagree with that violation of logic and everything.

You've been literally harping on me saying that the kicking video is pseudo precog and you said you already agreed that it doesn't exist? What??

>Same clip, yet somehow seeing something entirely different... Sikorsky kicks, and Yujiro's arm was already there. We don't see it move, we aren't given any indication that he moved it there after the attack had begun, nothing. Occam's

But alright. As long as the removal of Pseudo Precog happens alongside the notes are added on Analytical Prediction.

I mean... That's not giving feats. That's pointing out that contradictory thought process. I'm not the one trying to create abilities out of nothing my dude. I'm the one trying to fix the few lies added.