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Baldi vs thread reevaluations

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Since this calc has been accepted, several Baldi threads have to be re-done or simply removed. Going through his loss record:

His fight against Speedwagon should be re-evaluated or re-done, since Baldi was previously noted for one-shotting an 18 KJ character. Said character would now be at 51 KJ.

His match against Myers should also be re-evaluated. While Myers does still have a much higher durability feat than Baldi's AP even after the upgrade, keep in mind the explosion left him comatose for years. Also, Baldi is going to be hitting repeatedly. About 20 or so smacks might add up to be relatively close to the force of the explosion. I also don't know what Myers' AP is, so Baldi might have him beat in that.

Composite Human I'm iffy on. CH is unquestioningly a far, far more skilled warrior than Baldi, but Baldi is still much stronger. The match was done with the assumption that Baldi was barely over 18 KJ, when in fact he can one-shot someone who is completely unharmed from a force of 51 KJ. I think we should discuss if the results of that match can still stay.

Leone is still acceptable. He has much more stamina than Baldi, and Moody Blue gives him invisibility. I also think he's more durable than Baldi.

PepsiMan can stay. He has much better feats.

The Neighbor can stay. He is still considerably much more durable than Baldi and has better/more reliable equipment, even if Baldi is marginally stronger and faster.

Mister Satan can also stay. Even with the considerable AP and durability buff, Baldi is still inferior to him in just about everything.

Edgeworth should be discussed. Even before the buff, Baldi was stronger than him. He won because he was more skilled. Taking the considerable buff into account, I don't know if that skill is still enough.\

Assefa should be discussed. Baldi is nearly three times as strong as he was previously considered to be.

Freddy, I don't even know if he would still stand a chance against Baldi.

Thanos dinosaur has a lower AP than post buff Baldi.

Ethan Hunt can stay. He and Baldi should now be about even in strength and durability, and Ethan is a much better fighter.

Bane can stay as he's still far superior.

Aya can stay as she's still superior in strength and can get around his speed and durability with her chainsaw.

Bob should be discussed. He was previously considered stronger than Baldi. I don't think that's the case anymore.

Finally, Glass Joe can stay. He can still compete with Mac, who scales to Mr. Sandman. He's also more skilled than Baldi.

So yeah. It is my opinion that it should be discussed if Baldi's losses against Speedwagon, Myers, Edgeworth, Freddy, Assef, the dinosaur, Freddy Fazbear, and Bob are still acceptable or if they should be removed/re-done.
 
Worth noting on Freddy's match his AP was said to be 10.5 kilojoules when it's actually 105 kilojoules
 
I don't know anything about the other ones but his match with Freddy should stay as at the time Freddy had a 1.9 x AP advantage (34 Kilojoules vs. 18), and That advantage is now ~2.1x (105 Kilojoules vs. 51), and besides AP nothing about the characters really changed besides weather manipulation that wouldn't have been too much of a detriment to Freddy (As the battle was in Freddy's Pizzeria, and iirc Freddy has a map of the place in him), and Freddy having the Crying Child's abilities (Only 1 of which would likely affect Baldi: his illusion creation, and Baldi has that too)
 
And iirc it was argued that Freddy could still win with a 1.7x AP disadvantage (Based on an AP value that didn't actually exist but whatever)
 
Edgeworth is comparable to Phoenix who basically no-selled 200 kj to the face. I think that match is fine.
 
Once I finish my Bugs Bunny vs Mario match, I'll contact the OP's of the other matches and ask them to comment here. If they don't respond, we will discuss it ourselves.

Remember, his feat is Oneshotting someone who was completely unharmed by a force of 51054.673 joules.
 
vs Hercule, Edgeworth and composite human gotta go too though, the AP difference is too big. vs Neighbor should be remade since 18 KJ Baldi and his then lack of abilites was a big reason he lost.
 
Really don't know about Glass Joe, I mean does he really scale to Mr. Sandman if Joe had to use headgear in order to go up against Little Mac in a rematch?
 
I contacted the OP of the Myers match. The OP of the CH fight is currently inactive. Should we just remove the results of that match since it's 9C vs 9B and CH was not allowed access to any weapons or armor?

Also, at the very least, Glass Joe can harm Mac, who can survive hits from Sandman. He may not exactly scale to them, but to be able to compete with Mac at all, even simply surviving his punches, would give him more durability than Baldi. He's also a boxer, while Baldi is a teacher, and therefor has the skill advantage.

I will continue to message OPs of the more questionable match results. I would like to know what we should do if any of them fail to respond, are blocked, or are simply inactive.
 
Perhaps. They are in the same tier, though. Anyway, should we just remove the match with CH? And what do we do if the OPs of any of these more questionable matches can't/don't respond?
 
He has a 12.75x AP advantage that's more then enough to one-shot (Characters in the same tier are more then capable of one-shorting each other. Especially in a tier with a 1394x gap from the lowest end to the highest end)
 
Yeah cool, that means jack for his AP, all it is, is unquantifiably superior, and even if it's somehow not a one-shot it would still be a stomp factoring in Hercule's skill
 
Fine. I'll request it. Should CH be removed too since Baldi would oneshot THEM? Also, we still have the other matches to resolve. We should clarify which ones should be removed or redone ASAP. I'll contact the OP of the Neighbor match and ask their opinion on a redo. I still think Glass Joe can stay. We need to figure out which ones are clear stomps either way and which should be redone. After I check with all the OPs of the questionable matches, I hope you or someone else can figure out what to do next.
 
As for the CH match Baldi's AP advantage is now 6.25x and given that speed was unequalized, and Baldi's ruler smacks are apparently almost 30 mps yeah that one should probably, maybe be removed too
 
And that's not even taking into account that Baldi's still capable of speed amping (Without being stopped by equalized speed)
 
Well since OPs are asked for here I am.

Speedwagon is baseline iirc so we can prolly ask for it to be removed if Baldi's AP is too high, we could remake it with Speedwagon using his hat I guess though if that is worth mentioning
 
Well, Baldi's AP is high enough to where a redo should probably be done (His AP advantage is now Unquantifiably above 3.4x)
 
Since I was called specifically for Baldi's fight against Myers, that's the only thing I'll say here.

Considering the fact that Baldi got a ginormous boost in AP, that now actually surpasses Michael's place in 9-B, I would say that a rematch probably should be due. At the very least, the match should be removed from their profiles until that happens.
 
Starter Pack said:
Since I was called specifically for Baldi's fight against Myers, that's the only thing I'll say here.

Considering the fact that Baldi got a ginormous boost in AP, that now actually surpasses Michael's place in 9-B, I would say that a rematch probably should be due. At the very least, the match should be removed from their profiles until that happens.
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Pretty sure H20 Michael scales to smashing doors, the lowest end of which was 516 Kilojoules, which means Michael would one-shot
 
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Also, at the very least, Glass Joe can harm Mac, who can survive hits from Sandman. He may not exactly scale to them, but to be able to compete with Mac at all, even simply surviving his punches, would give him more durability than Baldi. He's also a boxer, while Baldi is a teacher, and therefor has the skill advantage.
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Joe can slightly harm a very early game Mac long before he fights Mr. Sandman, and his role in the series is literally Dan Hibiki level weak fodder.
 
Wait, so Myers would still have more AP than Baldi? Okay, I guess that can stay. I would like to point out however that Joe is still able to take hits from Mac after he's leveled up. Granted, he needs his headgear to protect his jaw, but the rest of his body is still able to take hits from Mac and he can keep fighting. His jaw is his weakspot, as he has an almost literal glass jaw, hence his nickname. The rest of his body can still endure the punches. He may not be as strong or durable as Mac, but he can still survive blows from him, and he is still a boxer, which gives him more skill and experience than Baldi (mediocre skill and experience is still better than little to no skill or experience at all, plus unlike Baldi, Joe is actually used to fighting people tougher than him, whereas Baldi cannot be truly harmed by anything in his game and has never dealt with someone who can fight back at all), so I would say Joe at least has the skill, experience, and (with the exception of his jaw) durability advantages.

Anyway, should I just cut CH's match with Baldi and do the same with Speedwagon?
 
No his match with Myers shouldn't stay as Myers one-shots (Yes I'm aware of Baldi's scaling but that has no exact value), with a 10x AP advantage (And that's assuming the lowest end of the calc is used)
 
Yeah, while Baldi doesn't one-shot or anything like that, his new AP advantage means a re-do should be done (Also pretty sure Baldi's gotten some more hax, and some of his existing hax has been upgraded, after some of these matches)
 
Okay. The matches that can clearly stay so far are Leone, Pepsiman, Freddy, Miles, Ethan, Aya, and Bane. The wins he had are also probably okay.

The ones that should clearly be removed are Mr. Satan (stomp in his favor), Myers (stomp in his favor), CH (following Baldi's upgrade, they stand no chance against him in a random encounter, though a rematch where they are allowed weapons, armor, preptime, or any combination of the three is still likely acceptable), and Speedwagon (rematch can be done). Glass Joe I still think can stay due to the durability, skill, and experience advantages, though that's being debated right now. We also have to decide on Bob, Assefa, the dinosaur, and the neighbor. Is that correct?
 
Bob should stay. That's a matter of skill that won that. And the better weapons

Glass Joe for the same reasons

Neighbor should be fine. Still has the skills, intelligence, and arsenal. Even if the strength and durability edge isn't all that much

Mr Satan is major stomp and should be removed yes.

CH I think gets one shot. So yea

Thanos dinosaur won through biting Baldi via better strength and Baldi not being smart enough to handle it. So yes. Redo this one.

Stephanie Meanswell Gets one shot now. So yea. Redo.

Wild Boar seems fine. Baldi takes the sane advantages without one shotting or stomping.

Speedwagon speeds fine to me tbh. More skills, experience, and range

Micheal stomps yes

Assefa Should be fine. He won through a large AP advantage plus skill and mid low regen. His AP advantage is smaller but still there I believe. And a good deal more experienced and better regen. So should be fine regardless

Leone Abbacchio is fine. Baldi still won't be able to get through the durability despite being much stronger. Leone got more experience and skill and the durability to last

Ethan hunt still outskills and that's why he won. Still should be good despite the power increase

Same for Bane. Breaks Baldi's back

Aya should be fine. Her feats make her anywhere from at least on Baldi's level to past his levels in power and strength. deadlier weapons and more skill. And Apparently has a chainsaw. So that fight still is the same despite the strength increase. So should be more than capable of cutting through Baldi for the same reasons


And that covers them all
 
Well for the Speedwagon match iirc he didn't have his hat (So no range advantage, Baldi would actually have the range advantage), and Baldi now has a 3.4x AP advantage (Since it was brought up in the thread that Speedwagon was baseline)
 
Well Speedwagon would have a sledgehammer for the fight so range might be good for him, he's no longer got the tier 8 with his hat on his profile so that could be allowed too I guess
 
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