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Accelerator vs Esdeath.

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Accelerator can very easily stomp Esdeath into the ground but this version will absolutely not take someone who is doing shit all to him seriously until it's too late

Zero difference from last time.
 
Votin Accelerator. He may jobb in this key, but he will deff pull out reverse blood flow/bioelectrivity before Esdeath's trumpcard. Accel gets serious faster when his opponent has no interesting conversation to offer him.
 
Yeah before his upgrade. I thought peoples opinions might have changed considering the quadrillion times ap increase.
 
Accelerator destroys Esdese, she will go Close quarters and get massacred.

guys lol Accelerator might not chase people around but hes not a pacifist like some people think.

Also Mahapadma drains her so she won't use it early on.
 
Accy loses his sadism later though. Esdeath is like that to the end

Character development intensifies
 
I'm not sure how Accelerator who is constantly trying to torture people and kill them by touch, he's not touching a time stopper in speed equal.
 
you need context schnee. Accelerator tortured the misakas and acted as sadistic as he could to make them afraid, to make them say i dont want to do this experiment. the guys that actually attacked accelerator? missing limbs and/or dead. this was made pretty clear in all medias of the sisters arc. hell it was even a miniarc in railgun.

timestoppong has been addressed by others.
 
Time Stopping was addressed by people saying hat Accelerator would get serious faster, I disagreed

I get context for the Misaka's, albeit the normal guys attacking himisnt the best example because they were hurt by his shield not him attacking them.

Plus, what about Touma?
 
1 what are the chances she actually realizes what accel power is and never goes in close and always run from him ? when she generally goes for some melee most of the time and uses time stop only as a last resort to save her life or as a very last resort ?

are u gonna had prep knowledge ?

2 time stop done by a medium that gets blocked by his power (in this case her ice manipulation power) should not work
 
1. Pretty quickly, I mean it's not like her attacks will do anything to him.

2. We established this thousands of times previously, her time Stop will work, it won't work just because she can use ice manipulation with. This fight is a stomp for Accel if it didn't.
 
The statistics changed from 7B to 5B since then

Even though Accelerator still had a massive AP advantage back then.

And after reading it, even Accelerator and Scrlk said that he would lose even when he became 5B on that very thread

This is redundant isn't it?
 
Without the shield he has street level dura and he still heavily holds back, to the point he never uses his 5-B abilities. Besides his AP nothing has changed much.
 
I'll keep it open for a bit

If I have to keep dealing with "Esdeaths Time Stop won't work" and nothing new is brought up, I'll close.
 
I think last time we concretated too much on Esdeath's time stop and that kind of gave her an automatic win and that Accel will job,which he will in terms of not going all out. But.....re-reading some of Accelerator's earlier appearences, he doesn't just stand there and let others attack him. You can see in Railgun, the damaged tiles where the thugs are lying unconscious, which means that Accel did use his active abilities to deal with them and not just reflection.

There's also the question of Esdeath being able to handle her own attacks possibly coming back to her with twice the force.

Also to add on while this Accelerator does job he also gets bored very easily and doesn't have the patience to deal with things like this.
 
It really depends on how the character would act first tbh, yeah Pre-head shot Accel is arrogant and doesn't go all out but so is Esdeath tbh.

That being said, Esdeath only chance here is time stop while Accel can kill her in many ways than she can count so Accel should take this majorty of the time considering nothing would work on him other than her ultimate trump card.

Accel take this 7/10
 
Schnee One said:
1. Pretty quickly, I mean it's not like her attacks will do anything to him.
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and where should she get the idea that hitting him would kill her ?

i mean it would look just like a simple barrier/force field not "if i touch or go 2 mm from this guy im ded"
 
I don't see the jobber form winning many votes regardless of AP gap unless it was speed unequal or bloodlusted. It's weird cuz Accel has all the methods to win, like a hundred win cons and Esdeath has one, which is an instant win con that she's more likely to use than Accel.

Really weird match. Though I do agree that he's likely to pursue her right off the bat but if she runs into his field she's dead on the spot and the thing we need to decide is: Will he reach for her before she exhausts her aresenal or wll he just loiter about?

It's more likely to me that he'll try running after her and swipe at her less so than toss instant-killing projectiles. He DOES tend to mess with his opponent but he very clearly was trying to murder Touma in a few instances after the rock and even bum-rushed him at a certain point before he got hit. So I think people may underestimate Pre's will to fight. He'd likely shrug off the first attack then rush towards her. It doesn't help that whatever projectile he sends though will immediately shred her.

Either way it goes: Accelerator catches up to her before she can exhaust her aresenal and decides to do the move and one-touches, or she exhausts her aresenal and decides to do the move before Accelerator decides to go for the kill. I think the first one is more likely and I don't think she'll believe she'll die immediately if she gets so much as a scratch from him either since, like people have poitned out, she'll think it's just a generic forcefield. Vectors are invisible so she'd have no idea what he's doing.

I still lean towards accel but her win condition is still a very clear one, and I don't know her character, so. Oh, to add, stray reflections will automatically rip her to shreds, so I think there's a higher chance of her gibbing herself from her own attacks than him needing to touch her. I agree with Zero in that it's a 7/10, maybe 6/10 Accel win chance the more I think on it. But I'd like to hear what others think first.
 
Honestly, looking this over Accelerates reasons are pretty convincing.

I will say this though, does he have any techniques that can catch her off guard and kill her before she stops.
 
literally all he need to do is one touch to reverse her blood flow and turn her into a pile of meat but he likely won't go with it.

It's not like she will stop time the moment he charge at her, more than likely she will tackle him.
 
Schnee One said:
Honestly, looking this over Accelerates reasons are pretty convincing.
I will say this though, does he have any techniques that can catch her off guard and kill her before she stops.
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Pretty much all of his tecniques will catch her off guard unless she has prior knowledge of him and his abilties.
 
I think everything will catch her off guard, but more importantly will she really think to do the time stop so soon? she may believe it has some sort of by-pass, whether it's in a direction he isn't looking or of the like. I feel like, from what I'm told, she might bite the bullet on one attack by him and then it'd be all over. She wouldn't be able to assess whether her life is in danger or not before either a stray rock takes her organs out, she's gibbed accidentally by her own attacks, or he touches her, since she has no way of knowing that he's a one-hit-one kill wonder aside from "He seems to have some sort of barrier".

I'm leaning towards Accel but her win con is still there for sure.
 
Anyone who read Akama Ga Kill knows Esdeath likes her close combat and rarely uses long rage attacks. She's also very overconfident which let her be caught off-guard by Tatsumi and Akame in few occasions despite being far better warrior than they are.

The only reason this won't end on first move is because Accel simply won't kill her.
 
If that's true, then I vote for Accel. If she goes close combat she's likely to die, if not nearly incapcitate herself on impact, and upon confusion she might accidentally gib herself if she tries long range if she hasn't already died from the initial close combat. Or Accelerator pursues her and gives her a hug. The only toying Action accel took against Touma was the rock, it was a warning shot, and everything after it would've killed Touma if he wasn't quick on his feet. (Steel Beams, Dust explosion, etc) so he's clearly willing to murder after the warning shot.
 
Accelerate420 said:
I think everything will catch her off guard, but more importantly will she really think to do the time stop so soon? she may believe it has some sort of by-pass, whether it's in a direction he isn't looking or of the like. I feel like, from what I'm told, she might bite the bullet on one attack by him and then it'd be all over. She wouldn't be able to assess whether her life is in danger or not before either a stray rock takes her organs out, she's gibbed accidentally by her own attacks, or he touches her, since she has no way of knowing that he's a one-hit-one kill wonder aside from "He seems to have some sort of barrier".
I'm leaning towards Accel but her win con is still there for sure.
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i think she used time stop 4 time in total if not 5 i don't remember fully, it was either used to avoid mission failure, death or very personal/gag reasons as she can use it only 1 time a day without prep time
 
Yeah, and with Accel I don't think she'll be able to asess when 'death' is coming. He's able to set up his reflection to automatically enduce the 'reverses your bloodflow' formula as well if he wants (which I doubt he will do in this scenario) but I think she'll initally be too shocked from the immediate action to avoid the hug of death. Now that the focus is more in-character and less on the ability, I can see Accel taking this. He's willing to go for the kill after the first action taken if he knows it's a fight she won't run away from.
 
Accel FRA. Esdeath only has one single win con, and there's no reason to say she'll use it in time. Pre-Headshot is a jobber yes, but he can also be quite sadistic. It's easy to see him quickly KO-ing a boring enemy who doesn't want to talk to him. Not to mention Esdeath herself is considered to be arrogant AF. The odds are stacked against her.
 
Accel FRA. Not much I can add really

Considering there's more of a debate revolving around how in character is is for Pre Headshot to attack I should redo his fight with Kurumi later,
 
So that's 7 votes for Accel: (Me, Schnee, Destiny, Click, ZERO, Der, Beeg)

Am I missing anyone else or have I counted incorrectly? Cuz this can be added at this point I think?
 
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