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Not knowing your value gives you a bad time, apparently. (GRACE FINISHED)

Psychomaster35

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Yep. Another Four match, just because he needs more attention. Lets just hope this isnt a stomp, though.

Story
We see Four doing a Cake at Stake with (insert BFB team name here).

Four: ...and it looks like (BFB Contestant) is ELIMINATED!

As (BFB Contestant) was suddenly beginning to panic that he/she got eliminated...

Meanwhile, we see what seems to be a small skeleton who walks in here during the Cake at Stake, but realizes that hes not supposed to be here.

???: whoops, wrong tur-

But before he could walk away, he suddenly witnesses from the distance of Four attempting to eliminate (BFB Contestant) as he/she screams in fear as they were about to be sucked in by the host of BFB, but all of a sudden, a bone comes out of nowhere and smacks Four away before he could eliminate the contestant, which everyone sees in confusion.

Four then gets up, before turning to his attacker, whose left eye suddenly began to glow blue. Sans was now serious about this, as he senses the sins Four has committed.

Sans: whoever you are, you arent getting FOURced out of this!

Sans then winks at the camera as a drum effect plays before turning back to the BFB host, whose right hand began to be engulfed in an aura, ready to fight whoever this is.

Four: ITS TIME...

Conditions
Speed is equalized and only Sans is bloodlusted. The battle is in Goiky, which gives Four the location advantage. SBA.

Who wins?

"Brake at Flake time!": 7 (Maruishimaryishi, Buttersamuri, ElixirBlue, Niccokirby, Agletonwiki, Christian Hidgon, Jimboydejuan12)

"ive got a ton of work done today. a skeleTON.":

They end up have a bad time not finding out their value:

Stomp:

(Battle Theme)

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Is Four's reality warping an atomizer? He can conjure but can he break atoms down?
 
From what I can tell, Fours Reality Warping seems rather... well, he can create cakes, rooms, seemingly cause the sky to change colors as well as contestants, turn Gravity on, and make him bigger, but that would seemingly be at least Mid-Low Reality Warping. And from my understandings, no he cant.

And with Sans' teleportation, soul manipulation, and Karma Retribution, that should make up for the gap or pretty much equalize the powers of hax.
 
Oh yeah. I'm not familiar with Four, but if he can't atomize, than this is not a stomp as I thought.
 
With speed equal, decent Reality warping powers, a way to counter gravity manipulation Potentially and an attack speed which utterly blitzes. Fight starts. Four fires and Sans gets blitzed before he can do anything

Thought 2. Fight starts. Sans tries his slam down and bones up attack. Four dodges and shoots and GG.
 
Im sure the Massively Hypersonic+ speed comes from Four's physical strength, probably not his projectiles, but depending on Sans' reaction speed (especially since he dodged danmaku), he may be able to dodge Four. Also, I said speed is equalized, so all speed is eaualized.
 
No. Their speed is equal. As in movement. But not Attack speed. Attack speed isn't equalized even when speed is equal. MHS+ is specifically said his attack speed. Which heavily blitzes Sans. And since Four doesn't hit MHS+ himself. Only his attack speed. It still blitzes him.
 
However, there was a match where Sans actually fought someone with Supersonic to SoL attack speed in which speed was equalized, and he still won.
 
Well. If they could use the SOL attack before Sans could say haxs destroy their soul. Then it's wrong. There's not a single chance Sans could dodge that
 
Well. My points still stand. The speed gap is too massive in AP. And my other reasons as well, so I stand by my vote
 
And... no, speed equal doesn't work like that.

Attack speed is equalised, and everything else is relative to it.

If there is a character that can fight at mach 2 (dubbed X) and another character that moves at mach 1, fight at mach 2, and has mach 4 bullets (dubbed Y here) then a speed equal battle would have:

X is twice as fast as Y in movement speed.

X and Y move at the same speed.

Y's bullets are twice as fast as X.


Seriously, Jojo matches wouldn't work at all by your logic.
 
Nope. Sans has the chance to win. Since speed is equal. If sans did the right move he could prevent getting hit via aim dodging since equal speed. It just isn't likely happening. And even if. It's gonna wear him down quickly. It's just four is skilled and hacky enough to take it. Not a stomp
 
I won't bother picking that logic apart.

Speed Equal doesn't work that way, if you think it does, then good luck removing 90% of Jojo matches.
 
Anyways, can I get a link to somewhere where this character appears. It seems, like most characters like it, to be plagued by CIS and hardly one that would combat seriously, which is pretty bad when it'd die in 0.3 seconds the second Sans' attacks hit it.
 
Speed equal puts their movement in the same area. Typically of the higher character.

However it doesn't effect Attack speed. If someone has a faster attack speed then their own. (So I'm Mach 100 with a SOL attack). Then the SOL is still SOL and isn't gonna be equalized.

Sans and Four are equal in speed. But Four had MHS+ Attack speed. So while Sans has the potential to aim dodge. But with my reasons above and the fact he could consistently attack. It's not happening.
 
No. To both. Speed isn't put on neither the faster nor slower level. They are just an unprecised, equally fast combat speed. This is why an infinite speed character won't be affected by time stop, but the non-infinite will be, even in speed equal.

That's a nice, unbased claim. My claim has proof in the simple fact that it's applied how I explained it (again, see jojo). Two character's combat speed is made equal, and everything else is relative. And I mean relative, so if a human level character and a bullet timer fight, the two are equally fast in hand to hand, but bullets from the normal human's gun are as fast as they were by the normal human's standard.

Again, good luck having majority of Jojo's fights removed because of that logic. I have been through both speed equal threads, movement speed is not what is equalised at all.
 
Uh, did you read what was written there? When asked if it makes attack and reaction speeds equal, weekly said yes.

When asked if it makes the speed of weapons like bullets, weekly said no.

Items of differing speed from the user's normal speed (like a vehicle for movement speed, or a laser gun to someone's normal hand to hand speed) are not equalized.

...like I literally said and gave an exemple for above. But by all means, feel free to go ask Weekly.

And not only that, but Weekly's point about speed amps is plain wrong. Which might just mean that taking a minimalistic answer from one guy isn't enough to disprove logic that is obviously used in the manner I said when you look at just about any character with heavily diverging movement and combat speed.
 
Besides a psychedelic experience, I am not seeing how four would dodge the bones thrown at him, or attack with any form of haste. Things much less impressive tagged him.

His actions seem immensely randomic and that of someone high on drugs. Claiming that he will use a ability that kills sand before being scraped by an attack seems very baseless. He might bounce back up, but even then I don't see him attacking in a proper manner before ghaster blasters come in, nor do I see him bothering to dodge.
 
I was debunking your point on Movement speed not being equal. You said movement wasn't. They have said movement was. It makes Movement, Combat, and Reactions. Not Attack Speed. Attack speed isn't. If a weapon or attack moves at light speed. Then that won't be equal. It shouldn't be. Four isn't able to react to his own attack. That's why it's attack speed and not reaction. So if speed is eqaul. Sans still won't be able to react.

And dodging the bones. There's an amazing thing called Moving. He doesn't just throw a hailstorm of Bones all at once that can't be dodged. His first attack is dodgeable. Especially since he also can counter Sans gravity manipulation.

And that's your opinion. And I generally don't agree with him not dodging an obvious threat. and not just an ability. He has several that will catch Sans off guard. His reality messing stuff could easily do Sans in.
 
That was said by weekly before the speed equal crt. You might notice, he's been wrong in a lot of things because there were no actual rules in place. There was a whole speed equal thread where the "relative" was agreed on as the best alternative. The rest of your claim is still absolutely false. Again, go ask a mod, or just look at any speed equal match with Jojo. Attack speed in the thread you linked referred to attacks unralated to the combat speed of the character.

Several problems here too. First of all, game mechanics aren't being taken as Canon, Sans will not just stop attacking for more than a few seconds. And of what I saw of him, 4 doesn't much dodge, and has anything but 180 sight to see all the attacks as they are coming. More so, remember that Frisk's soul was dodging there, which isn't even twenty centimeters wide.

My opinion, yes, but you would need to give proof that it's false. The whole "show" is whimsical in nature, and I have yet to see 4 using his reality warping in a smart manner to catch enemies off guard.
 
Again, please link me one time it fought in a smart or effective way as far as going against Sans goes.

Also, turning of Gravity means nothing to Blue Magic, it's soul Manipulation that makes an already floating soul drop down.
 
So then, is the fight determined by the speed issue? Or if not and the movement and combat speed is the same, does Sans actually takes this?
 
Oh no. I stand by my reasons. Speed equal and Four still takes it. I stand by my vote and reasons. Hacks and Attack take it. Four FTW.
 
I can't put my own two cent about the speed equalizing topic but is it safe to say if movement and combat speed were the same, that would work in Sans favor? Would he hold the higher percentage of winning?
 
Btw, my vote is Four FTW. I just wanted to know if Sans had a chance.
 
I asked a question that I would like answered, and gave reasons why the above are not the best reasons.

First of all, Hacks is not a reason without proper explanation, and AP doesn't matter when both one-shot the other.

Specifically, I have yet to se any proof that 4 uses it's hax in any way that would be considered tactical or hateful in battle, at difference of Sans, who will be raining attacks non-stop.
 
Wait a minute, I skimmed over it before but wouldn't Four's shapeshifting be an atomizer of sorts if it was connected to his reality warping powers?
 
Psychomaster35 said:
The best he can likely do is probably screech at Sans so loud he gets KO'd from the noise or zap him. While Transmutation or BFR could work, both of those require Four to be close to his opponant to do the thing. What do you think of this? Does this answer your question?
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I want a link to the episodes, because that description only depicts him as a psychotic guy.

Seriously, Sans kind of one-shots and can dodge if needed, so screeching seemed the best option, which I'm not really sure 4 would actually do that early in the battle.
 
He literally get's... something thrown in his face that stops him in the only clip where someone actually bothers to try and stop it.
 
ElixirBlue said:
Wait a minute, I skimmed over it before but wouldn't Four's shapeshifting be an atomizer of sorts if it was connected to his reality warping powers?
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No, its rather only used just for Four to have the body of X and vise versa. Its not really an attack.
 
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