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5-C???? Storm

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How is Storm feat only moon level? Yall literally took the feat out of context on her profile. She made a cosmic turberlence to protect save the planet. The side effect was that the clouds were dispersed. The real feat is her saving the planet so it won't get destroyed by Gamma Rays. This should be a 5-B feat.
 
It's actually much weaker then 5C since CAPE and many other Storm revisions have taken place.
 
I thought dispersing clouds on a planet level is moon level? Anyways thats not the main feat though. She was saving the planet from getting destroyed and no one paid attention to that.
 
Actually how is she getting downgraded when she has multiple planet level feats.
 
A sentinels used a gamma ray gun from the sun to send them at the earth to destroy it. Storm was about to manipulate the gamma rays causing the opposite affect the save the planet from being destroyed.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Checked Standard Storm Calculations, seems that sort of feat ie creating a planetary storm, is now Low 6-B at best.
This would downgrade a couple of my verses, will have to do that later.
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yes but that is not the main feat that was only a size effect. The real feat was she protected the planet from ending.
 
1) It was stated in the very issue where Storm redirected her full power that Sienna Blaze ran the risk of splitting the planet like a ripe melon EVERYTIME she used her power.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r_zATjnV...R_s1NymYdGcxIPPvnFbACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO038.jpg

This was obviously the case because she was a novice at the time and her powers tended to flare out of control everytime she used them. We can see that she's new to her power and can barely control them here:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2cawrz8M...g-jA7lN2njnc7j8J5HMQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

and here:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pFzJNSIT...GOEFgxKzZxlqAO7_GGYgCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO009.jpg

Notice how she even runs the risk of killing herself when using her power because of her lack of control.

In the same issue, Sienna's power is compared to the Phoenix Force: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dNEMCTh2...1eIhoz3RJAm7H04DO9KACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO014.jpg

2) In this same issue, Xavier telepathically forced Sienna's power to build to the maximum, way past critical (as the issue stated). The power then exploded out of Blaze and Storm used her winds to redirect the blast of energy. After the blast was over, Blaze was temporarily burned out of power, and she could barely stand or speak. She couldn't fire off anymore energy. So, yes, Storm really did redirect the full power of Sienna Blaze.

Here are the scans to demonstrate this entire sequence and prove that Storm redirected her full power:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9eqamBVT...cyXjDprluzf5Jw1KcLNACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO041.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uL9m2kCw...zbREDTYIgNIi8xwygugQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO042.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3MLM7H_y...evfegjURAG-M9620QTTACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO043.jpg

3) The blast she threw in Excalibur issue 73 (her next appearance after her fight with Storm, Cyclops, and Xavier) was strong enough to do more than sink an island. It had enough power to sink Muir Island PLUS half of Scotland and still have more than enough energy left over to fry Nightcrawler to a crisp.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Y5P10_Xkc...9QxJ2d16KDt0k9abBP8Y_gxp-3aTMn_ov9HFslY=s1600

Keep in mind she casually threw this blast. This was nowhere near her full power. This blast was FAR FAR FAR weaker than what Storm redirected.

Rachel with the Phoenix Force states that everytime Blaze uses her powers, she scars the Earth:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/d7GHyGFvg...S95hj_R0oyo1xc2iTXwKFj7DpqhWI69MknxQmr2=s1600

Also, earlier in the issue, while Blaze was doing far less than the blast in the scan above, she was devistating the Earth's ecosystem without even trying. Rachel with the Phoenix Force had to fix it before she faced Blaze:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/DEKmexOQ0...VNNSFPH0lW32UAxVXN5wzzKOWNIXuFk-qjFgWj9=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/vhdy2O2f0...AIM8yf3vFgkTTZFmfspKYSee-4-nI_SamlOqhTf=s1600

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/E2FfgVv0C...3WAvhnk78TJ3ZbaPCiYl-00P8slp0kRzwE3jzk6=s1600

4) It was said later on that Blaze would damage the Earth's ecosystem. That was obviously the case AFTER she got more control over her abilities.

Storm with her winds alone should be planet level.
 
Schnee One said:
It's actually much weaker then 5C since CAPE and many other Storm revisions have taken place.
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Judging by the picture, it looks like the clouds were definitely being moved around the planets due to the wind lines around them.
 
Making a storm with KE on a planet scale in a blink of an eye is planet level+
 
As the others said, Storm likely needs to be downgraded based strictly on the raw power of her own feats, not upgraded.
 
Who are the others? The scan is taken out of context. It's not even a planetary storm. It's storm using gamma rays to create a cosmic turbulence around the planet. There were gamma rays coming to destroy the earth.

Based raw power of her own feats Storm should be at least planet level. Her winds and lightning were stated to have the power to sculpt the planet multiple times. She has full control of earth magnetic field, took a full blast from Siena blaze as I posted above is a doom to the earth. That's not even all her feats. Not to mention she's stronger in space and her goddess powers defeated a universal god Adversary.
 
Adversary is not a inconsistency. Storm awaken her godhead and beat him with divine energy. She now has divine powers that awaken in certain situations. She needs a key for her goddess form which would be fair since you gave several other X-men one. Let's be fair

If that's the case several characters on here need to be downgraded for instance gambit. Storm with her normal powers has better feats than Gambit but yet he has a 4-B rating.

Siena has the power to easily spilt the melan. Her power is literally backed up with the scans above. Siena blaze with a causal blaze already devastated the earth to where Phoenix Rachel felt the pain and had to fix it. Storm winds withstood the maximum power unleashed by Siena when Xavier tried to burn her out.
 
Storm will not scale to tier 2 cosmic entities. Period. Sorry, but these types of ridiculous outliers are commonplace in Marvel comicbooks, and if we took all of them literally, all tier 9 characters and above would end up scaled to Oblivio.

And the rest of my comments still stand. Nothing will happen here unless you ask for a recalculation of the former planetary storm feat, as I told you.
 
First of all all how is her goddess form an outlier? In Black Panther #172 Storm's gift of Godhead passed down from her ancestors was unlocked by T'Challa transferring the faith from the people of Wakanda to power her. Her ancestrors invoked the elder god Osthur. It literally said that Storm invoked Oshur in the series. It's literally her Goddess form Hadari Yao, goddess who perserve the balance of living things. Storm can literally tap into her godhead as shown in shuri solo series. Storm was stated to be a bigger god than Adversary. Storm still has her divine power. Not only that she showed another feat with her goddess power by harming a Nate Grey fused with Legion.

Wanda should be an outlier. She invoked Cthton chaos magic for M-day never did anything on that level again downgrade. Gambit fighting New Sun Gambit is an outlier even Normal Storm has better feats than him downgrade. Iceman being 4-B downgrade, Cyclops feats with phoenix never showned it again downgrade. While I'm on Cyclops it's funny how you got him scaled to Large Planet level. Could have sworm Storm have overpowered a bloodlusted cyclops beams multiple times. Kitty Pryde with black vortex power she doesn't have anymore downgrade. Emma Frost with the phoenix key should be removed. She doesn't have the power since Storm getting power from an elder god is an outlier then Emma getting power from the phoenix should be no different. Oh downgrade Spiderman its crazy he got a key for uni power but that is not an outlier for him. Rogue 4-B from getting Wonder man powers downgrade but Storm got an elder god powers is an outlier. It's funny how Colossus is Large planet level to solar system level when Storm has harmed and defeated him multiple times.

I literally pointed out so many outliers and that's not even all of them. Not to mention you have characters tiers above STANDARD Storm when she has beat them multiple times.

Just admit you're bias against Storm like the other threads. You were hesistant to give her a key for Stormcaster when with the feats in your face. But everyone I named got a key. Not to mention I just showed feats above for Sienna Blaze backing her power up and you ignored it.
 
I am not biased against Storm. We just have standard procedures that need to be followed concerning characters that are not possible to physically scale to each other. In such cases we have to go by their calculated feats, and I just told you to ask to get the feat that you mention calculated again.

Lots of our Marvel profiles likely have severely exaggerated statistics due to the extreme inconsistency of the franchise and some of our staff members are planning to gradually do something about it, but that does not mean that several wrongs make a right.

If Storm was temporarily as powerful as the Elder Goddess Oshtur (comparable to her son Agamotto) that would explain things, but if she kept a multiversal scale afterwards, she would break her setting and effortlessly destroy all opposition in any stories she participated in.
 
As I showed above Storm with her winds withstood the full powered blast from Sienna Blaze, who was running the risk was spliting the planet in half without full power. Not to mention it's been stated multiple times while Cyclops or even Jean is on the team that Storm is the most powerful. She can defeated and overpowered a bloodlusted Cyclops multiples and even drained Jean.

Not really Storm godhead doesn't just come worth like that.Yes, she still has her goddess power. Shown in Shuri it awakens when she is in serious trouble or her mind is manipulated. But she still has the powers. In X-men her goddess powers came out and she hurt Nate Grey and Legion fused. I would not say comparable to Agamotto or Oshtur. I mean just because she invoke Oshtur does not mean she as powerful. She only defeated and sealed Adversary, the god of chaos who had to power to destroy the universe, recreate it and defeated Roma, mutliversal guradian. Roma even stated that without Adversary the universe would not survive. Even all that she was stated to be a bigger god than Adversary. She also hurt Nate Grey and Legion to the point they unfused. It definitely would oppose all the stories she is in because the power is always hidden within her and only brought out for serious situations. She should definitely have a key for goddess form for being at least universal in power for defeating adversary and harming Nate Grey/Legion
 
Sienna has never remotely demonstrated enough power to literally blow up a planet in a single attack, which is required for 5-B. That is unreliable hyperbole.

Non-Phoenix Force Jean Grey has never demonstrated any particular raw telekinetic power, and neither has Cyclops.

That said, most of our Marvel Comics profiles rely on unreliable long scaling chains that go against our Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics and cause them to get very exaggerated statistics. I have asked Sera EX and Kepekley23 to take a look at the problem and try to do something about this.

The issue here is that we scale classic Storm from her own feats (and that you should still try to present the entire context for recalculation to the calc group, if you think that it is necessary), whereas characters like Colossus have likely been greatly exaggerated by scaling from other characters and their outliers. Hence, the issue likely isn't that Sterm is scaled too low, it is that Colossus is far too high.

As for the goddess statistics, Nate Grey and Legion do not possess universal durability. They are glass cannons. And from what I remember, they were not remotely portrayed as having universal scale of power either within that story.

Was the Adversary portrayed as being of a universal scale within the story that Storm defeated him by channelling Oshtur? If so, I suppose that it is possible that we could give her an extra statistics key, but it is uncertain if she has not been portrayed anywhere near such a level afterwards.
 
Well Storm overpowered Nate and Legion to the point they seperated. They had 4-B characters on the battlefield and they did not do anything. It took Storm using her goddess power to overpower them so the telepaths can affect them

In Shuri an alien called a space lubber creating a miniature black hole on the planet. The black hole was not even the size of a town and was expending have the power to destroy a town. It took Shuri and Ironman to use their brain to reverse the blackhole and closing it. The second time it grew stronger and created a much powerful blackhole. Storm using her goddess powers was able to overpower its shields and harm it. The second encounter she harmed it but his shields grew stronger. The third time her goddess powers came out to play and she oneshotted it.

She defeated Adversary too and his story was reconnected to classic Adversary. Even then she defeated the gods of wakanda which consist of some elder gods.


It's safe to say Storm has shown 4-B to Universal level power with her goddess power.
 
Universe level power is completely unreasonable, or was just a temporary power-up, but I suppose that scaling from X-Man to 4-B may be reasonable.

We still need a new calculation for her pre-power-up statistics though.
 
I meant the black hole had the power to destroy the planet. Not a town sorry for the typo.

Well she was stated to be a bigger god and stronger than Adversary in the cannon when the entire country praised her giving her even more power. I would say normal level 4-B with prayers/faith universal for defeating adversary.
 
How powerful was the Adversary portrayed as within this story? Marvel is ridiculously inconsistent in terms of power levels.
 
Okay. Well, maybe she can scale to this when empowered by Oshtur: "Solar System level (Defeated X-Ma). Possibly much higher (Defeated The Adversary, but this was likely a temporary outlier.)"

We preferably need more staff input though.
 
Antvasima said:
Sienna has never remotely demonstrated enough power to literally blow up a planet in a single attack, which is required for 5-B. That is unreliable hyperbole.
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What is her normal level?
 
with a casual blast it had enough energy to destroy an island, sink scottland and she put the Earth ecosystem in danger. She had to power to easily split Earth.
 
No she did not. Didn't she simply draw power from the Earth's electromagnetic field and simply risk to destabilise it by using her power? Also, sinking a small island is nowhere near 5-B levels of power.
 
Is somebody willing to ask a few administrators and discussion moderators to comment here?
 
the scans are about she does draw her power from the electromagnetic field that's why she was stated to have the energy to split earth.

a casual planet from sienna put earth in so much danger Rachel with the Phoenix had to fix it
 
There is a major difference between destabilising the Earth's electromagnetic field to threaten all life living on the planet, and actually blowing it up in a single shot.

Anyway, you need to contact a few administrators and discussion moderators to help us out here: VS Battles Staff

In addition, Storm needs to have her planetary storm feat recalculated according to our current standards: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3403260

If not, we will have to use one of our standard values instead: Standard Storm Calculations
 
Adversary had to bury her under a huge pile of rocks because was the main threat. He feared her spiritual energy in the past. Now that she finally unlocked it she was a threat.

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Stated to be a bigger god than Adversary and had the power but did not believe in herself. She easily overpowered when everyone believed in her and sealed Adversary
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Here's Adversary and Roma like fight and some of her powers
[6][7]Restrained and overpowered Roma. Shows he can manipulate the Starlight Citadel

[8][9]Haven using his power when he was a fetus

[10][11][12][13][14][15]Fights ROMA multiple times and defeat her. Causes her to use all her great power

[16]Shown in Mephisto book of the strongest Gods, Demons, and Hell Lords.

[17]Heroes Reborn shows that Roma keeps track of all the myriad aspects of time and space

[18]someone with her powers became the Omni-God of the Omniverse

[19][20]Her she tries to save the Starlight citadel from the chaos wave but did not save it. But it is stated her power is all that her title implies in more. She rivals her father Merlyn in power who created the Starlight Citadel. The starlight Citadel is basically a nexus to all universes and planes. The entire thing fell on her and did not even harm her. [21][22]1.Here it implied Merlyn had more than enough power to re-create the Energy Matrix, which is connected to the entire Multiverse.

2.Merlyn is also the Keeper of the multiverse

Roma had the power to alter the core structure of the starlight citadel as I stated that is a Nexus [23]==Merlyn was able to control Eternity and Infinity== [24]

Stated that the universe needs him to survive since He is the god of Chaos and also LIFE needs him too== [25]

Storm should 4-B for overpowering Legion/Nate Grey and Low 2-C for stated to be a bigger god than Adversary.
 
Antvasima said:
There is a major difference between destabilising the Earth's electromagnetic field to threaten all life living on the planet, and actually blowing it up in a single shot.
Anyway, you need to contact a few administrators and discussion moderators to help us out here: VS Battles Staff

In addition, Storm needs to have her planetary storm feat recalculated according to our current standards: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3403260

If not, we will have to use one of our standard values instead: Standard Storm Calculations
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I'm saying is with a single CASUAL shot she had the power to easily end Earth's ecosystem as shown above. Rachel with the phoenix was straining to fix because Siena blaze devasted the planet with a single shot. Sienna is empowered by the entire Magnetic field. It was stated with repeated use of her powers she can destroy the planet. It was stated she could split the planet in half. This means just using her powers such as teleporting, blasting and etc. As you can see above one blast endangered the entire ecosystem. However when Prof X took over her mind and her shoot all of her power out at MAX level to drain. Storm on the other end created a electrical wind tunnel to contain all the energy to keep from destroy the planet.
 
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