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Ultra Sonic Vs. Gilgamesh(fate)

Okay. Looking at their AP's out of the gate, Gilgamesh surviving a physical punch from Sonic is out of the question.
 
Gilgamesh's usual starting move is the Gates of Babylon. Is Sonic already in Ultra Sonic form?
 
If I remember well, almost any attack Sonic does with the exception of punches, have Concept Manip type 2 powering them, so the instant Gilgamesh gets hit by anything that isn't a punch, he's gonna be conceptually erased. That's all Im gonna say for now.

Edit: I also don't see a resistance to fate manip, so what's stopping Sonic from passively fate haxing Gilgamesh?
 
Okay so he won't fate haxed, that's good for him, but you might want to ask Shadow or Shake about Sonic fate hax, since they know Archie Sonic more than I do. But last time I checked Fate only has Type 3 Concept Manip, so even if Gilgamesh resists Type 3, Type 2 concept manip will completely ignore that resistance and erase him anyway.
 
I read in a thread Archie Sonic has the strongest Fate manipulation on the Wiki. I'm not sure how much of that is true.

What Haxes of Gilgamesh does Sonic resists to?
 
Yeah no, that's pure unadulterated wank of the highest degree and I completely and utterly disagree with that notion. At best he has decent fate hax.
 
Not even close

Ok. Considering how hard Eggman was trying defeat Sonic's FateHax, going as far as reshaping the laws of the entire universe to defeat it, I was inclined to believe Sonic had the strongest.
 
So, assuming Gilgamesh can resist Sonic's level of passive (Sonic will always win) FateHax, which i'm not convinced he could (2-A's haven't been able to resist it), what Haxes can Sonic resist of Gilgamesh?

As in, let's move on from the FateHax discussion for now.
 
Sonic can resist all of this in his Ultra Sonic state: Mind Manip, Power Nullification, Matter Manip, Soul Manip, Life force Absorption, Transmutation, Disease Manip, Poisons and Radiation, Extreme Cold, Scalding Heat/Magma Manip, Precognition, Reality Warping, Paralysis Inducement, Electricity Manip, Willpower Manip, Existence Erasure, Matter Manip (Sub-Atomic), Corruption (Types 2 and 3), Biological Manip, Concept Manip (Type 2), Law Manip, and Possesion. Now whether or not he can resist some of the hax that Gil has, I don't know, I just know that some of his resistance's are 2-A in scale (If I'm remembering correctly).
 
All those resistance combine with Ultra Sonic overwhelming AP advantage, Gilgamesh's options are shrinking.
 
How does the bfr work because bfr is also one of the things that authority let's you resist

Gil also has 10 crowns in this key btw
 
Oh right, I forgot about subjective reality, I don't know if Sonic can resist that or not, he probably can't.

Although does Subjective reality negate Concept Manip? Cause if not then Sonics blasts or non-melee attacks will be completely unaffected by Subjective reality.

And if I remember correctly, the bfr works by opening up a tear that sucks up anyone in it's vicinity, and leads to a dimension known as the Zone of Silence, a dimension in which sounds and vibrations cease to be. That's all I know and remember and I might possibly be wrong on that.
 
"Subjective Reality is the power that allows the user to manipulate the boundary between reality and unreality. It allows the user to induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence, as well as turning facts, entities and events into unreality, vanishing them as if they were a mere dream or illusion."
 
I don't know if Gilgamesh's Subjective Reality is on a Multiversal level though.
 
Sonic has resisted Reality warping him a number of times and resisted mind control from 2-C concepts.
 
TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
Gil has his own passive fate hax. it was accepted but never applied to a large portion of servants.
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What is Gil's FateHax? Sonic's is "always win". I want to see which FateHax is stronger. (Though, I'd rather focus on other, simpler things like reality bending.)
 
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