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Devil May Cry - Speed Upgrade

So, I don't know if the feat is FTL, but is certanly an upgrade, it's about the Damned Rook and Dante's speed while dodging this red laser

Now, know that we can't consider something having lightspeed without some proofs, but well, that enemy, the Damned Rook, have this description:

Rook
> It's stated on DMC3 official guide as a Laser Beam

> It travels in straight line

> It's not tangible

And we need to see if the result is a outlier, but I believe Dante is much slower than the laser in the game so it wil be probably fine

And the Damned Rook only have a Laser that goes at Lightspeed, he doesn't move at such speeds, so it's not an outlier for them to have this attack

I already showed the feat to Mr Bambu and he's going to calc it, meanwhile, we should think to who it should scale, which I believe is almost everyone ? It comes from DMC3 Dante after awakening his DT
 
Alright, so.

For the most major speed upgrade, in DMC 1, Dante and Mundus jump from interstellar space into some planet in a solar system. The entire fight between Mundus and Dante takes place in this planet's outer atmosphere, then the planet's surface after they become too exhausted to keep up flight/they land.

For those who need the fight, here is the entire thing.

Anyway, we know they are in interstellar space, because they are not near enough to any star for that star to appear larger/more present in the background. We also know that they had to leap to a volcanically and atmosphereically active planet/moon, which would require either the planet to be in orbit around a star, as the planet needs the star's energy to generate storms in the first place, and the planet also needs the gravitational pull of a star to remain geothermally active. It would also need to be an inner solar system body, due to being rocky, and would also need a thick enough atmosphere to block out the sun during storms. So, candidates in our Solar System would include Venus and Earth. However, we can rule out Earth due to the lack of water on the planet they land on, so we narrow this down to Venus. Candidates outside of our solar system are vast, but Proxima Centauri b was considered a likely candidate.

Taking all this into consideration, Dante and Mundus leapt, in a matter of seconds, from deep in interstellar space into a solar system's innermost regions.

Taking this into account, we have multiple options for calculations for this feat. So, we'll have to take this from the lowest possible calcs, to the highest possible calcs.

The Lowest Possible Calc
Assuming Dante and Mundus jumped from Pluto's Aphelion (the closest distance from which the sun would appear as any other star) to Venus at it's perihelion to Pluto, and assuming three different time frames, we can make multiple different calcs.

For these calcs, we will assume Dante and Mundus are at Pluto's aphelion from the sun, and that Venus is at it's perihelion to Pluto's aphelion. We will use three time frames: one second (1s), ten seconds (10s) and thirty seconds (30s).

Pluto's aphelion: 49.3 AU (4.5827 x 10^9 miles)

Venus' distance from the sun: 0.39 AU (3.6253 x 10^7 miles)

Total distance traveled given assumptions: 4.546447 x 10^9 miles/ 7.316797200768 x 10^9 KM (KM used from here on out)

High-end: 7.316797200768 x 10^9 KM/1 second = 7316800000000 m/s (approx. 24406 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Mid-end: 7.316797200768 x 10^9 KM/10 seconds = 731680000000 m/s (approx. 2440 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

(s)Low-end: 7.316797200768 x 10^9 KM/30 seconds = 243893000000 m/s (approx. 813 times FTL, Massively FTL)

I'll post this for now, however, I will be making a mid-end (from Pluto's aphelion to Proxima Centauri b) and a high-end (from Pluto's aphelion to Trappist 1) soon. I'm just gonna take a break after dumping this little calc.
 
Alright, this party is about to get CUH-RAY-ZEE...

Let's rock!

The Mid-End Calc (Personal Suggestion)
Assuming Dante and Mundus did the big leap from Pluto's Aphelion all the way to Proxima Centauri b, we can make three more calcs given the same three time-frames.

Unfortunately, due to the absolutely massive distance between the Solar System and the Proxima Centauri system, the distance from the sun to pluto's aphelion is negligible at best, and thusly, there will be a very, very minor bit of inaccuracy within this calc. If you want to include the 0.0007th of a light year that 49.3 AU is here, then be my guest. However, I will not, for simplicity's sake.

Distance between the Solar System and Proxima Centauri = 4.243 light years = 4.01419 x 10^13 KM or 40141900000000 KM

High-end = 4.01419 x 10^13 KM / 1s = 40141900000000000 m/s (Approx. 133,898,965 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Mid-end (Personal Suggestion) = 4.01419 x 10^13 KM / 10s = 4014190000000000 m/s (Approx. 13,389,896 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Low-end = 4.01419 x 10^13 KM / 30s = 1338060000000000 m/s (Approx. 4,463,287 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Great. I'll get into why I personally reccommend this calc over the other in a bit, but for now, it's time for the largest, most outstandingly massive high-end for this calc that I could reasonably put down.

The "Dante goes Nyoom" end
Assuming that Dante and Mundus leapt from our Solar System to the Trappist 1 system, we can again make three more calcs with three more timeframes.

Again, the 49.3 AU that is Pluto's Aphelion is negligible, more so than the mid-end's calc.

Distance between the Solar System and the Trappist 1 System = 39.46 light years = 3.7332 x 10^14 KM or 373320000000000 KM

High-end = 3.7332 x 10^14 KM / 1s = 373320000000000000 m/s (approx. 1,245,261,480 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Mid-end = 3.7332 x 10^14 KM / 10s = 37332000000000000 m/s (approx. 124,526,148 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Low-end = 3.7332 x 10^14 KM / 30s = 12444000000000000 m/s (approx. 41,508,716 times FTL, Massively FTL+)

Great, that's done. I'm gonna post this now, and then write a small bit about why I prefer the mid-end over the low and high ends.
 
Alright. So, you're probably wondering:

"Knight, why do you prefer the mid-end? The low end makes the safest assumptions, doesn't it?"

And yes, that would be true. That is, if the planet they jumped to was similar enough to Venus to be suspected of being Venus. However, this is not the case.

As seen in this video, during the portion of the fight where Dante and Mundus are flying through the atmosphere of the planet they leap to, the storm clouds that surround them are dark gray.

Now, what color is Venus' atmosphere?

Venus-real color


Distinctly not dark gray.

So, we cannot assume that the planet is Venus, as the planet's storm clouds are gray, whereas Venus' storm clouds are a sickly pale yellow, almost like coffee with too much cream.

So, since we know that it cannot be Earth (Earth isn't as volcanically active as the planet they landed on, obviously), and now we have to rule out Venus as well, because of the unmatched atmospheres.

Because of this, there is not a single planet or astronomical body within the Solar System that A. has the same level of volcanic ability, B. has a thick enough atmosphere to generate significant storm clouds, and C. has dark gray storm clouds.

Io, Titan, Venus, and Earth each have different traits of each planet listed, yet none of them share all three. Earth has the atmosphere and dark gray clouds, but lacks the volcanic activity. Venus has the atmosphere and volcanic activity, but not the cloud color. Io has the volcanic activity, but not the atmosphere, since it uh... doesn't have one (gasses that cling from volcanic eruptions don't count). And Titan has the atmosphere, but it's volcanic activity is with water ice instead of lava, and the color does not align.

So, we cannot reasonably assume that they have jumped to anything within the solar system, as each body that has one or more of the needed traits, also lacks one or more of those traits. Similarly, we cannot assume they have jumped to a rogue planet, because those are cold, dead, and calm planets with no volcanic activity what-so-ever. Additionally, most rogue planets are Gas Giants, not rocky planets like the one Dante and Mundus landed on.

So, our safest assumption, given what we have already assumed (bare minimum distance from the sun to appear as if they are in interstellar space), and that no planet in the solar system is a reliable candidate, we must assume they have traveled to another solar system, in which case, Proxima Centauri b is our safest option.
 
I'm probably gonna dump this all into a blog post so that it can be easily linked to, but for now we can get some easy communication and discussion via this thread.
 
I disagree with the 7-B's being MFTL+, the Dante / Mundus jumping to Centauri should be checked by a calc member to confirm if 100% usable without problems.
 
....Uh. Sounds super assumptive.

Sure, they flew to some planet, but...why can't it be still Earth while the sun is setting, and why do we need to overanalyze shitty PS2 animation?
 
If we consider only the distance necessary that a Planet (around the size of Pluto for a Low End) needs to be to not be visible, would be usable ?

Because in the feat they are on space and we only see stars, then they arrive on a Planet by flying, the distance between them and this planet, at minimum, would be a distance big enough to make the Planet invisible for our eyes, since we don't see it in the beggining
 
Well, 4.97 C is a good upgrade and it makes sense if you ask me

Perp did exactly what I was saying, he took the distance that a planet needs to not be visible and divided by the timeframe, it is the best bet for this since the only assumption is the size of the planet, but using Earth is a good low end
 
The calc for their flight speed is there and it just uses distance/timeframe, since he calculated the distance to the planet, it's completely valid (the method, I dunno if the calc is correct)

The creation feat is after this and yeah, it's not a speed feat
 
The problem with the calculation is that at that distance, the sun would still be more visible than the other stars. But as seen in the video, it is not the case, since there are no planets or stars more visible than the others.
 
We say that the planet is not visible because we see the direction that Dante and Mundus flew, and there is no planet

The sun could be in any other direction that is not shown there
 
eh getting them to FTL is smth. Im fine with upgrade if the calc is legit just i guess low balling is the safest way?
 
That's the problem. We are superimposing the planet on which Dante and Mundus fight like Earth. Even if we increase the distance from the Earth to the Sun, the result would still be low enough and the Sun would still be more visible than the other stars.

Nor can it be the case that if the planet is not visible, the Sun cannot do it either. And as it is taken based on our solar system, it would be impossible with the given distance, since the planets revolve around a Sun and this should be visible even if it were elsewhere.
 
We take Earth as Standard Planet size, and even this is a Low End, but we can use smaller planets in the calc as well if that's the problem, too bad it's going to be Relativistic/Relativistic+

I don't understand what you mean, as I said, we ONLY consider the Planet as not visible because the cutscene shows us the direction that Dante flew, and there is no Planet, the Sun can be in any other direction since the cutscene doesn't show all of them

And the calc doesn't take anything from our Solar System, it's literally the distance between Dante and the Planet and nothing else. So assuming Earth sized Planet is wrong, but assuming interestellar distances and stuff because we don't see a Sun even when they cutscene doesn't show all the directions is fine ?

Yeah sure, i'm not saying that the other calc is wrong, it's actually pretty good, but it uses more assumptions like Kep said
 
Perpetual used the Sun to calc the Creation feat which the result was in Low 4-C range, but their speed feat only uses the distance necessary for a Planet to not be visible and Dante's Timeframe, no Solar System involved
 
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