Marvel CRT: 2-A Cosmic Cube & Tier 1 Realities

• The very first time Negative Zone was accessed, within it was the The Edge of Subspace which was obviously the Negative Zone / Crossroads
• This was revealed even in Silver Surfer that Hyperspace is also Subspace as well
• Refers to Hyperspace as having Higher Dimensions , which despite Susan knowing of the 5th Dimension and using its Vibrations isnt scratching it's potential... Meaning there are more dimensions than the 5th, which is consistent with Subspace supposedly containing an infinite number.
• He also refers to them having Higher Realms
• It was also blatantly stated that the Crossroads of Infinity is the Negative Zone... So it isn't just an entrance or a portal per say.. Context literally revelas that The Crossroads of Infinity = Negative Zone.
• The Dark Dimension was heavily implied to be sixth-dimensional in the original guide involving the Multiverse, alongside Nightmare's Realm .

• Earth 616 has a feat of breaching the very borders of the Negative Zone using the energies of 616 and Heroes Reborn, a lesser reality in comparison to 616.
• Franklin's imagination was stated to be the very borders of the Negative Zone , which is the Crossroads due to cosmology... So he is scalable to that.[yes it states his Imagination isn't Infinite but this doesn't undermine the feat] and states that this is an AP feat in this, not Hax or Range or anything redundant such as this.
• It requires Universal Eternity to Celestial Level power [as seen within these two scans ] , as they even said if he had the power st the moment he would've allowed them to escape... Meaning those on those levels can easily accomplish the feat.

• [Heroes Reborn: Asheena ] : Despite the fact that Tiamut supposedly according to Asheena had the power to be a threat to All Creation & The Entire Cosmos [Despite the fact that World in context was referring to Heroes Reborn , which meant Cosmos meant All Reality & Asheena knew of Subspace / Crossroads of Infinity , which is Tier 2-A to Tier 1 via the First Section] , Franklin was the reason that stopped Tiamut from affecting the Heroes Reborn reality prior to it being given to Asheena, proving that those of Celestial Level + Above have such capabilities of affecting All Creation, well before Hickman's Run and other such comics. We also know this "threat" was via Reality Warping, not like an empty threat such as "Frieza being a threat to the Universe" because we see him actively doing such much later during Hickman's Run
• . Lack of Appearance of the Crossroads to have this be Inconsistent: There are only 3 Offical Appearances of the Crossroads, the Doom vs Beyonder , Hyperstorm , and Volume 6 of Fantastic Four, Two of those 3 suggest Higher-Dimensional stuff for the Crossroads, so consistency wins in this regard.
• Roma gains her current powers from the Starlight Citadel + Otherworld, after the events of the Matrix was destroyed, both which are connected to the Multiverse (Here , Here, Here , Here , Here,Here)... Which means her raw power , due tot his at the very least affecting 616 and it's Branching Realities is very likely High 1-B. The problem is one of the scans hinted that all the planes the Tower/Otherworld encompasses, the lowest of these infinite planes "contains all Alternate Universes" [which Earth 616 and it's Branching Realities are High 1-B].... Stacked on top of each other... Not sure what to do about that... Because they really do seem to hint about them being connected to Higher-Dimensions here... And since All Alternate Earths would include Earth 616, it would scale to the high-end of the Crossroads of Infinity [High 1-B] .Base Roma and Merlyn (Merlyn without any connection to anytihing and is at his weakest) are a threats to Omnigod Jamie , who was essentially gaining this much power, and she can fight her opposite who can warp the Citadel [which is High 1-B via at the very least scaling to Earth 616]... So it proves that she scales even without relying on her power source.
• Roma considers the Celestials [In general] as "All-Powerful" (Here)... Which means they'd be above what Roma would be at her peak [Which is High 1-B via at the very least scaling above Earth-616].
• Roma considered Jaspers and Franklin of equal power, to the point of destroying their realities was the only way to destroy the threat the both had to their creation him,,, Which means her destroying them herself wasn't an option she could take, implying her inferiority to them. Keep in mind the following about Jaspers: Jaspers had the ability to end the Omniverse at several points in Captain Britain. One was when Fury and Jaspers were clashing together , and this was supposedly without the warp.This was then confirmed again when the Fury could've ended all of existence by it's lonesome , which as mentioned before has High 1-B power sources and infintie higher-dimenisions and infinite planes of reality .Then it was confirmed for the third time in ANOTHER handbook , proving my previous point. Then it was confirmed for the fourth time when Captain Britain was going to confront Jaspers . All of Existence would include the Otherworld [ Confirmed here , which was stated to be a Pan-Dimensional Reality twice ], , Citadel, all the infinite higher-dimensions and the ifnintie planes of reality, all of these structures High 1-B .
• Franklin also overloads Mother Module's sensor , despite having sensed Jasper's powers at work on an Omniversal Scale , being there for the Jaspers Warp , being around Roma, and being there for Scarlet Witch's Warp.. Which neither of the three overwhelmed the module.... Keep in mind he did so by crying.

The 2nd Existential Seed said:

Hmm... I can agree to an extent, however since all of that storyline was referring to higher dimensions I also see where you can debate against it not being higher-D.
Do you have anything to say about the whole Earth 616 and it's branching realities ascaling to the Crossroads of Infinity aspect of the thread ?

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• Crossroads of Infinity , Hyperspace, Subspace , and Negative Zone are all interconnected and share the same tier
• The Crossroads was shown and uncontradicted to be Tier 1
• The Negative Zone was treated as merely an universe / dimension ... Not as a Multiverse despite being the Crossroads .
• Earth 616 has a feat of breaching the Crossroads, and the Negative Zone

• The scan about breaching the Negative Zone just shows dimensional travel by ripping a portal open. And the scan about Franklin's imagination explicitly calls the Zone "not infinite", so I don't know about using that as solid evidence. You say it doesn't undermine the feat but...why doesn't it? Taking the language at face value does seem to undermine it.

• Asheena states in the first scan, "all creation will suffer". That's a little vague and flowery for concrete evidence of 2-A or High 1-B. The second scan makes no direct mention of the Crossroads, and common sense would say she was just talking about the universe. The scan with Franklin just provides further evidence he's Celestial-level, but we already know that.

• Otherworld is a realm that connects to every other realm. Roma gains her power from it. Okay. But that doesn't mean anything regarding her power level. All of those scans just show that you can access/view all other dimensions from Otherworld, not that it grants Roma power to perform 2-A feats.

• Pan-dimensional just refers to how Otherworld is a gateway to every realm.

• The scans with the Omnigod just show him having a ton of clones. Without further evidence, that's not enough to consider him a 2-A being.

• The scans about Franklin could be used to scale him to Jaspers, but both are already listed as 2-C on here. The single scan about Roma calling him a threat to everything and the scans about Jaspers threatening the omniverse are evidence of 2-A, but the Jaspers stuff is already accounted for on his profile, which lists him as "possibly far higher" for not showcasing his supposed full potential.

• The technology actually didn't help % with the feat in question , as further context showed. The technology itself wasn't enough to actually accomplish the feat, hence why they required the transdimensional power of Earth 616 and Heroes Reborn to directly break through it. Reed and Doctor Doom's technology even performing the feat shouldn't disqualify it anyways... Since both have shown prep feats of High 1-B caliber even before this revision may revise that.
• They specifically stated in the scan it required actual raw power [as Doctor Strange went to Eternity to save their reality, hinting once again at AP being the reason and not just hax] , not abilities to do the feat in question. Plus I'm already saying that the Negative Zone is the Crossroads, and we have had feats of the Negative Zone has been destroyed and or warped... Or at least threatened to [The Weakened Ultimate Nullifier during Hickman's Run {Which scales to the Mad Celestials seeing how they no sold it} , Infinity Gauntlet, Well-Fed Galaactus and definitely a lot more that haven't been directly named] . We also see those who are empowered by either Negative Zone / Hyperspace [Hyperstorm] being hardcountered by an nigh-Well Fed Galactus... So they have the feats to be treated at the same tier even without this. I'm just trying to use this as support.
• As vague and flowery as this is we see later on that Tiamut was literally warping all of reality in the later issues of Fantastic Four... So it wasn't intended to be vague... He did it much later.
• Roma has shown feats without it, such as fighting her opposite who was warping the Citadel and fighting Jamie who has shown to resist reality warping of an at least 2-A scale, if not far more if this goes through.
• Jaspers was shown several times to be able to affect the Omniverse more than once based on context of his feat. My point is that if he was shown later to be a threat to the Otherworld which according to the House of M Revision in a previous thread destroying said Otherworld is High 1-B [but never went anywhere] ... That should be another supporting feat.

• It's not just technology from Reed or Doom, and it's not just technology in the first place. Just opening a portal to the Negative Zone or out of it isn't a High 1-B feat. Just because it requires a powerful being or high level of energy to do it doesn't mean it requires High 1-B levels of energy.

• You should post the scans of the Crossroads being warped then, not focus on a feat that just involves ripping a portal open.

• Regarding Hyperstorm and hyperspace, your link only says that hyperspace is sometimes confused with the Negative Zone, not that it is the Negative Zone.

• You need to post the scans of Tiamut warping reality then, as well as any necessary contextual evidence to show the extent of his warping, not just the scan of another character just calling him a threat.

• The Citadel is not an infinite-multiverse-sized structure just because it exists as a dimensional nexus. In order to use Roma for valid evidence for a massive upgrade, you need to post her actual fight with Jamie as well as evidence of Jamie's 2-A level of power.

• You would need to make a CRT for Jaspers, since his omniverse-threatening power level was apparently already decided sometime in the past to not warrant a solid rating.

• I'm certain it does because it was the Edge of Subspace that is the Crossroads in question. And the technology was shown breaching the borders and edge of it. Hence affecting the Crossroads. There is a difference between creating a portal using abilities and physically shattering the edge of the reality in question.
• Dr.Doom stated that the Negative Zone is the Crossroads of Infinity during the retconned version of Doom vs Beyonder. That is what I'm using because if that is uncontradicted nothing reallly hurts this upgrade .

• http://2.bp.blogspot.com/elMW1xGpTF...kWY0ozKr9nRol6tUWuvs6HaWTGGWWda2gQaKwTx=s1600
• http://2.bp.blogspot.com/37EHa5YHEj...YPvRkVazDs-IEYGxrmH9yAoD2E4fYjUe0L2H7wq=s1600

• https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qQLqPeOGW...1Smw_zjCDfCox2M8ItbGEaYsCq308l4eNh4cQtg=s1600
• https://2.bp.blogspot.com/eMmc1juf7...YeMFGhIZ4FxCqI9JNKtDx3ZoVQ2REVh4K7C-hVQ=s1600

• https://2.bp.blogspot.com/R7mCz-EPl...oFFtItnYauTkDa25Ntfo9FvbY11mi6BWEYYRLKA=s1600 (The point is that this context heavily implies Franklin can do it on his own... Ignore the shrinking part since it is shown that their technology doesn't actually return them to 616... At all)
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• https://2.bp.blogspot.com/A5jCqYcpc...SasF8pIw6pKf1qdRoLlsCNENDI3ttMlsrbnkaYg=s1600

• Earth-616 being this explicitly powerful via the aforementioned feat makes sense due to other dialogues about 616 being as important as the Multiverse itself, being it's focal point by those such as Uatu and the Universal Abstracts.
• Scaling also helps with the Celestials + Above only scaling because Well-Fed Galactus , Scrier , and The Other was described as being capable of causing more damage than the Chaos War, which is Infinite-D via direct mentioning of Higher-D's plus 96% of the Multiverse being affected.
• We also see those who supposedly are merely the embodiments of the universe of 616 perform feats of this caliber, such as the avatar of the Universal Phoenix Force performing the Lighthouse Feat [which was publicly accepted as an High 1-B showing in the original thread to upgrade the Phoenix Force so I won't try to make a post proving it is]
• Roma empowered Captain Britain enough to overpower the same Phoenix that performed the aforementioned feat. And she considers it much more strenous to destroy Earth-616 and only as a last resort, and considered the Celestials "All-Powerful" despite knowing of the Phoenix Force and ti's feat being general knowledge in Captain Britain's Lore... and performing an arguably High 1-B feat in and of itself.
• Someone considered to be a threat to Merlyn defeated the Phoenix' Avatar who anchored the Phoenix to perform the feat above... So again it's consistent. Yes supposed him & Rachel were only destroying the Planets on-panel , but context is being ignored as the Lighthouse was also accepted as High 1-B... and Meggan/Captain Britain fusion empowered by it was able to destroy the Lighthouse... Yet said person Rachel was fighting was considered to be far stronger and took a direct blow from said fusion.
• The Energies of Earth-616 (along with another amp) hard-countered the Chaos Wave temporarily which was accepted as once again High 1-B. Again a direct showing of 616 being used as an power source to perform a High 1-B feat.

• I remember the lighthouse feat explicitly not being accepted as enough to give a 2-A upgrade for Phoenix hosts, let alone High 1-B. Can you link where this was accepted as High 1-B? Your paragraphs about Roma and Merlyn entirely depend upon that. Or you could post the Roma/Jamie battle you talked about and show the evidence you stated proves Jamie is 2-A.

• "The Energies of Earth-616 (along with another amp)" --- that "other amp" part would mean it can't scale to normal Earth-616, no? Also, where was the Chaos Wave accepted as High 1-B? I was able to find an instance of Matthew saying it could be that high, and then nothing was ever done about it and no scans were posted to show that it is High 1-B.