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One Piece (C. 947 update) Haki page minor changes and revision

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Okay, I'll get right to the two topics that need to be covered:

Changing How We List Sub-abilities of Haki
Examples being "Barrier creation" and "Attack reflection" under Busoshoku Haki. We currently have each power listed and simply mention that "adept users" or "advanced users" can perform such feats, but we need to be more descriptive and organized with how we present these. As of now, it can get confusing and somewhat misleading.

Here is an example of how I would list off Kenbunshoku (may need some further insight):

"===Observation Haki===

Observation Haki, also known as Kenbunshoku Haki, provides a 6th sense to the user, allowing them to sense the presence of others even if they are concealed from view or too far away to see normally. It can also provide certain other abilities beyond just enhancing the senses.

Abilities that are granted by this type of Haki are varying levels of Extrasensory Perception, Telepathy, and Precognition.

  • Inept Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the ability to activate Observation Haki, but with little to no control. They can infrequently sense the presence of others, see brief premonitions of the future with immense focus and desperation, but otherwise can not effectively utilize or disable the ability.
    • Examples include Luffy as of Marineford, Usopp as of Dressrosa, and Koby Pre time-skip.
  • Proficient Haki Users: Haki users in this class have the capacity to sense events transpiring over a large distance away (typically several kilometers), and can actively see glimpses into the future, and sense exactly how those within range feel and what their next set of actions will be. Users of this level can use all the basic applications of this power to a higher degree and do not have issues with functionality like those of lower tiers.
  • Advanced Haki Users: Haki users in this class go far beyond what is typically seen with Observation Haki. Some users can feel the flow of their target's attack pattern and how they will respond to attack, even going as far as to know their mental state and intentions to a near perfect understanding. Some users can sense the presence of target individuals or objects over vast distances (typically at least tens of kilometers). Other users can also perform active precognition--seeing events transpiring at least several seconds before they occur.
We should also list the weaknesses of Observation Haki below this in order to give a clear idea of what can be a foil of these Haki users

  • In order to fully utilize Observation Haki, the user must remain focused and calm, otherwise the ability's effectiveness becomes dulled or even negated.
  • The user, if imperfect with seeing the future, can not predict what will happen if they change their actions to respond to a predicted enemy attack. This also becomes prominent when even an advanced user is against an opponent with comparable or even superior levels of precognition. (Such as when Luffy could dodge Katakuri's attacks early in their fight)
  • Users, while capable of seeing the attack coming, are less likely to evade or defend against an attack if it is too fast for them to see or keep up with (Snake-man Luffy near-blitzing Katakuri despite using his precognition to see the attacks coming)
Busoshoku Changes
As of the latest chapter, it has finally been confirmed that Busoshoku does indeed grant a user increased range, increased attack power (we assumed as much), coats the user in invisible armor (we assumed as much), and most importantly, has shown Durability Negating properties with Goken. The example explained by Hyo also leads to Aura being a possible inclusion.

Busoshoku would also need a revision due to how we have it listed:

"===Armament Haki===

Armament Haki, also known as ÔÇÄBusoshoku Haki, allows the user to actively use their Aura as a shield and a weapon. This type of Haki grants its user varying levels of Forcefield Creation, Statistics Amplification, Non-Physical Interaction (Exclusively with those using Elemental Intangibility, Attack Reflection, Body Control, and Transmutation.

  • Inept Haki Users: Users of this class are only shown capable of activating the ability of Armament Haki through intense focus and effort. They can only increase the power or sharpness of their attacks, and likely their durability as well. They should, however, be capable of bypassing the effects of a Devil Fruit user's body upon successful activation. At best, a user can coat their body with invisible armor that can, for example, have a normal leg become durable enough to deflect strikes from harder material or sharp/bladed weapons.
    • Examples include Zoro as of Alabasta (Note: This is assuming his Shi-Shi Son Song is accepted as a Haki ability) and Sanji as of Post Time-skip
  • Rudimentary Haki Users: Haki users of this level are capable of actively using the basic functions of this form of Haki as descibed above. They can coat their entire body with a passive invisible wall that increases defenses and attack power while subtly increasing range. They can actively attack those with the ability to turn their physical body into other materials such as ice or smoke (typically Logia Devil Fruit Users, and mitigate the effects of Devil Fruit attacks. This invisible armor can further be extended to projectiles and weapons to increase their attack power. At best, a character may be capable of utilizing Busoshoku: Koka, and ability that allows the user to increase the hardness of their body to become even more durable than steel. However, most users of this class are only seen capable of using Koka on small parts of their body at a time (typically both fists and fore-arms at most).
    • Examples include Trafalgar Law, the Kuja Warriors of Amazon Lily, Boa Sandersonia (Note: needs to be added to her profile since she's confirmed to be a user and could harm Luffy despite him being rubber).
  • Proficient Haki Users: Haki users of this level have the capacity to coat the majority or even entirety of their body with Busoshoku: Koka, and can even extend the ability beyond their body and affect their weapons, attire, and even projectiles. The strength of this class of Haki surpasses the previous classes by a significant level. Characters also have access to being capable of harmlessly deflecting attacks that come into contact with their Haki. At their peak, a user of this class has the capacity to extend their Haki outwards like an aura in order to make a barrier to better defend against oncoming attacks, and increase their attack power significantly.
  • Advanced Haki Users: Haki users of this class have reached a whole new level of Armament Haki, and have the capability to permanently alter objects and possibly individuals with their Haki. Those with this level of Haki can turn ordinary blades into black-blades that can not be scratched and they will stay this way even if the user is no longer alive or using their Haki. Other users have the capacity to use "Goken", which allows the user to send their aura outward, creating walls that can block attacks or even send out attacks on targets that appear to work similarly to basic telekinesis. Once reaching this level of Armament Haki, users can also transmit their aura into living or non-living targets, destroying them from the inside-out--thus effectively negating their durability to an extent.
    • Examples include Silvers Rayleigh and Hyo. Luffy has begun tapping into this level of Haki, but has far from mastered it."
Again, this type of Haki has weaknesses that would need to be pointed out:

  • Excessive use of this type of Haki drains its user's stamina much faster, and will gradually weaken over time and possibly deactivate.
  • While a user can erect a powerful defense with this ability, it is not impenetrable, and should be assumed that a character that is significantly stronger than the user will likely break through and inflict damage.
  • While a user is capable of attacking the true form of targets who are capable of transmuting their body into a different element, this does not mean that they can reliably harm those who are normally an element that can not be touched or damaged through normal attacks.
And so on...


This discussion is important, so I'd really appreciate input on this matter. I know a couple things here will be debated upon.
 
So the new ability of advanced Busoshoku is literally internal damage.

With that you can probably even ignore any durability of the enemy and can directly attack his organs.

Very hax ability for the top tiers of One piece, guys with that and future sight are probably monsters in a battle.

Seeing how hax ability Luffy alone get by CoO and CoA, im sure the strongest advenced form will come from CoC the strongest haki, im sure Luffy will get their his strongest hax ability.
 
Hmmm, Usopp when he just Awakened his Haki for the first time was able to see and sense presence around a few kilometers between the Royal Palace and the Palace on top of Flower Hill.

That means that, according to the list, even inept OH users can possibly see up to fews kilometers at best, making rudimentary users certainly at Kilometers with OH for sure instead of hundreds of meters.
 
KobsterHope07 said:
Hmmm, Usopp when he just Awakened his Haki for the first time was able to see and sense presence around a few kilometers between the Royal Palace and the Palace on top of Flower Hill.

That means that, according to the list, even inept OH users can possibly see up to fews kilometers at best, making rudimentary users certainly at Kilometers with OH for sure instead of hundreds of meters.
The point of inept users is that while they have Observation Haki, they have no control over its applications. Usopp was intensely focused and sensed Sugar's presence for a moment before he fired and we never see him using the ability again. We don't see Rudimentary users like Zoro using the ability over kilometers (otherwise he would've known Pica's location from a far distance, rather than being confused most of the fight).

The big difference is that a Rudimentary user can view up to hundreds of meters consistently with no difficulty while an Inept user is either not aware they can do this, or when they perform a superior feat, it's through intense effort and desperation. Luffy and Usopp's cases came from this.

@Js - from what I understand from statements and the databook, she was confirmed to have been born with Kenbunshoku Haki, and it was noted to be powerful from then on. She's definitely a Proficient user of Kenbunshoku since she has more than a basic understanding (though we did see her overwhelmed emotionally when many people where killed/KO'd across upperyard).
 
Scratch all made up terms like profiecient & advanced. They're unnesacary and serve only to cluster favorite characters away from those you would want to downplay.

A through description of what Haki is, the abilities it grants you, and its weaknesses is better suited to this forum.
 
"Advanced" isn't even a made up term when it is actively being used in the manga.

How nice of you to assume that I am trying to "downplay" characters. That's not presumptuous in the slightest.

The abilities that it grants are important to list, but not every Haki user is capable of x abilities to such an extent.
 
>>The abilities that it grants are important to list, but not every Haki user is capable of x abilities to such an extent.

Exactly. Hence it is better to go on a case by case basis rather than group abilities under a made up stage.

Also you assume I was singling you out but actually the word "you" there was referencing anyone using said method doing intentionally and/or unintentionally. Another reasonit is better to stick to feats which can be linked/referenced.
 
This seems fine to apply, yes.
 
@Ormut We have discussed that before. We need more evidence to say that Haki is in fact able to grant resistance to DF abilities.
 
I'd wordly like this:

Willpower Manipulation: Users of this Haki can use their own wills to dominate others wills and make the target faint. Proficient users of this Haki can even spare selected targets from large crowds.
 
I will unlock the Haki page for you. Tell me here when you are done.
 
On the Haki's page: 'Conqueror's Haki grants users the ability to intimidate their opponent into submission by using their willpower to dominate the target' will in the form of an invisible aura burst; either through inducing fear into their opponent or causing them to fall unconscious'

Shouldn't this also grant Conqueror Haki both Fear and Sleep Manipulation
 
Kobster asked about Conqueror's Haki.

As for the question, I'm unsure. I used the previous description to be honest. Making someone fall unconscious might be Sleep Inducement as long as the power is stated to do that. In this case, Haki makes the target faint rather than sleep, and it's done through Willpower Manipulation and Fear Inducement (considering it causes ailments such as the foam).

Thoughts?
 
I don't think Fear Inducement works out; the foaming is just a side-effect of fainting.
 
I also have some doubts about it, but I think I'll make an analysis about Haki to be sure before doing some changes to the page.
 
Damage3245 said:
I don't think Fear Inducement works out; the foaming is just a side-effect of fainting.
He may be referring to Sander and Mari both being shocked and letting Luffy go upon reacting to his Haoshoku.
 
@Cin; that would make sense, but it's also equally likely that they were just shocked at the fact that he has Conqueror's Haki which is very rare.
 
BUMP

@Damage - While that may be true that they were also shocked that some random kid having the same type of Haki as their sister, I still believe some level of fear played into it given their reaction in releasing Luffy and gently putting down the stone statue. Wouldn't Sandersonia had dropped the stone statue spontaneously if she was purely shocked by Luffy's Haki.

Another instances of fear Inducement from Conqueror Haki could be these scenes; https://m.imgur.com/a/b5UyhDA and https://m.imgur.com/a/o5DLBRG
 
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