Very Small Kenbunshoku Haki CRT

[MonkeyOfLife]

yet you keep on preaching about them having the ability to sense the actual future

They know what their next moves will be... You then will see glimpses of the future without actually looking into the future

Been explained how they do it, you just adding stuff that never happened

I'm not adding shit, I'm explaining them because you can't understand it while giving you the translations and even blatant visual reference that completely support my explanations

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

A way to think of it is whenever you close your eyes and are imaging a random scene of you running or something or even whenever you're dreaming, but instead they see the actions you are going to do next

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I'm not adding shit, I'm explaining them because you can't understand it while giving you the translations and even blatant visual reference that completely support my explanations

Not in a single one of the scans or translations you’ve brought up has it ever stated or even implied that they sense the future so yes you are adding shit

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

A way to think of it is whenever you close your eyes and are imaging a random scene of you running or something or even whenever you're dreaming, but instead they see the actions you are going to do next

Ya expect I only see the actions of others by sensing there mind,aura and presence

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not in a single one of the scans or translations you’ve brought up has it ever stated or even implied that they sense the future so yes you are adding shit

Let's just use one scan

sense the actions another person will take!
if you are sensing the actions one will do next, what are you doing? Knowing the future...

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Ya expect I only see the actions of others by sensing there mind,aura and presence

Which let's you know the future of what they are going to do next...

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Let's just use one scan

sense the actions another person will take!
if you are sensing the actions one will do next, what are you doing? Knowing the future...

The fact he differentiates future sight from sensing a person in the exact same scan is quite ironic

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Which let's you know the future of what they are going to do next...

If they knew the future then this wouldn’t happen

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The fact he differentiates future sight from sensing a person in the exact same scan is quite ironic

Because literally seeing the future and knowing the future is completely different

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Because literally seeing the future and knowing the future is completely different

Both know what the future is, so not really

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If they knew the future then this wouldn’t happen

They can't know because luffy isn't doing anything, his body just moves on its own... That even supports my take as now they aren't able to predict even by sensing one's presence

They know only your future moves... Not everything in the future which is what future sight does

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

They can't know because luffy isn't doing anything, his body just moves on its own... That even supports my take as now they aren't able to predict even by sensing one's presence

They know only your future moves... Not everything in the future which is what future sight does

If you know the future then it irrelevant to what the person is doing

 

[XDragnoir]

Advanced Kenbu and intermediate kenbu are both capable of precognition. Advanced Kenbu is additionally capable of clairvoyance, directly seeing the future instead of getting senses about the future

KT, for the 3rd time, we aren't saying Kenbu doesn't have Precognition.

We are saying Intermediate Kenbu does not have Premonition, it can't draw any kind of information directly from the future.

It reads minds, intents, power level, souls, emotions and idk what else because this shit does a lot of other shit, but Intermediate Kenbu has no type of future-based information acquirement ability (Premonition) like the Haki page implies, through all the powers I listed they can do Analytical Prediction type Precognition, not Divination type which Premonition falls under.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

If you know the future then it irrelevant to what the person is doing

They know the future only via reading them...

You're overly simplifying things, katakuri's future sight couldn't accurately predict what sanji was going to do... Does that mean he doesn't have future sight? No, because they are doing something to negate their predictions of the future

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

They know the future only via reading them...

You're overly simplifying things, katakuri's future sight couldn't accurately predict what sanji was going to do... Does that mean he doesn't have future sight? No, because they are doing something to negate their predictions of the future

Yet enel couldn’t read a mindless luffy

So using your bodies natural reflexes is negating the future? Very interesting

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And now we are back with the analytical prediction bs, even tho obs Haki have shown to know your exact move you will do in the future which analytical prediction cannot do besides if they predict infinite moves ahead of time

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yet enel couldn’t read a mindless luffy

So using your bodies natural reflexes is negating the future? Very interesting

Yes, because they're getting the info from you and your intentions not anything else

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Yes, because they're getting the info from you and your intentions not anything else

There supposed to be sensing the future itself, what dose other info have to do with anything?

And now we are back with the analytical prediction bs, even tho obs Haki have shown to know your exact move you will do in the future which analytical prediction cannot do besides if they predict infinite moves ahead of time

And yet enel and proves otherwise

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

There supposed to be sensing the future itself, what dose other info have to do with anything?

They aren't sensing the future itself, the are sensing you, making them know what you'll do in the future

You are again simplifying precog and future sight

And yet enel and proves otherwise

No, it proves nothing to that statement

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

They aren't sensing the future itself, the are sensing you, making them know what you'll do in the future

You are again simplifying precog and future sight

But they need information from the same person to do anything? And without out it they can’t sense the actual future because reasons?

No, it proves nothing to that statement

It dose

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Analytical Prediction also only factors in what the user themselves knows and understands, while Divination is a means of acquiring information that one would otherwise not possess. As a result of these differences, a page should specify which version of Precognition a character possesses. Some characters may possess both, however.

Them knowing the exact future via acquiring information from you is Divination

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

But they need information from the same person to do anything? And without out it they can’t sense the actual future because reasons?

Yee... That is how it functions, Because they aren't directly looking into the actual future, but sensing it from you

 

[Damage3245]

Them knowing the exact future via acquiring information from you is Divination

That would be more like Analytical Prediction, not Divination. They're gaining knowledge of the opponent's intention/emotion/presence and using that to anticipate the future, instead of literally seeing what will happen in the future.

With Divination, you wouldn't need to know what your opponents intent was; you'd just see what was going to happen.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Them knowing the exact future via acquiring information from you is Divination

Yes by looking into the future

Precognition is, simply put, the ability to see the future. Characters with this ability can, through varying means, accurately predict future events. Said means fall under two main categories; Divination, in which a user acquires impossible knowledge of upcoming events by looking into the future itself, and Analytical Prediction, in which a user predicts the actions of others, as well as their consequences, through analysis of the factors involved. While the means are different, both forms of the power are fundamentally similar, with noticeable overlap. On top of this, the specifics and power of Precognition differ greatly from character to character.

Yee... That is how it functions, Because they aren't directly looking into the actual future, but sensing it from you

Yet they can’t if they can’t properly read there minds

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

That would be more like Analytical Prediction. They're gaining knowledge of the opponent's intention/emotion/presence and using that to anticipate the future, instead of literally seeing what will happen in the future.

No, because you're viewing it as them reading ones mind only, which then it would be analytical prediction because they're then guessing based on what you're thinking... different to obs Haki that let's you know what your exact next move will be via reading/sensing you

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No, because you're viewing it as them reading ones mind only, which then it would be analytical prediction because they're then guessing based on what you're thinking... different to obs Haki that let's you know what your exact next move will be via reading/sensing you

Yes, you mind,aura and a couple other things but never the future itself

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Yes, you mind,aura and a couple other things but never the future itself

they are reading glimpses of your future, yes which is in or an extension of the couple other things

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

they are reading glimpses of your future, yes which is in the couple other things

And yet they apparently can’t do that if they don’t have any info

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And yet they apparently can’t do that if they don’t have any info

Yee because it isn't future sight but glimpses of the future by using you

advanced observation haki also requires additional info to see the future

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Yee because it isn't future sight but glimpses of the future by using you

But these supposed glimpses can’t be archived without info ?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Hear and See
The ability to sense the presence of others. By enhancing this ability, one can avoid attacks from blind spots, and read the number of enemies and what they are going to do next. The "mind net" of the sky islands is a similar power.

Future Foresight
Those who have mastered the art of "the color of seeing and hearing" are able to foresee the future a little ahead of time. They can tell in advance what their opponent will do next, what he will say, and even how he will react.

Forgot us trying to understand how it works, they both state to read what their opponents will do next, the difference is advanced obs Haki having much more intel on the future

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Forgot us trying to understand how it works, they both state to read what their opponents will do next, the difference is advanced obs Haki having much more intel on the future

More? One is stated to read the future the other senses there presence that’s it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

One is stated to read the future the other senses there presence that’s it

That is literally not just it, the translation states that they can read what your going to do next

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That is literally not just it, the translation states that they can read what your going to do next

And how is it stated they do that exactly? Is it stated to be sensing the future?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

And how is it stated they do that exactly?

By sensing you?

Is it stated to be sensing the future?

Yes?

read what they are going to do next

Something that's even stated of future sight being able to do

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

By sensing you?

Yes?

Something that's even stated of future sight being able to do

So your conflating the two because they both said they knew what there enemies even though it’s been explained they do it completely differently one another to the point were it’s explicitly stated one reads auras minds and presence while one explicitly reads the future? So you are making stuff up

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

〝見聞色〟を極めた者は、少し先の未来を予見できる。
Those who have mastered the art of "seeing and hearing" are able to foresee the future a little further.

This statement refers future sight to be able to forsee the future a little further than normal obs Haki, proving normal obs Haki to do the same thing but at a lesser extent

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

This statement refers future sight to be able to forsee the future a little further than normal obs Haki, proving normal obs Haki to do the same thing but at a lesser extent

Finally we actually got a statement, expect said statement is completely contracted by main cannon as regular is literally just Analytical Prediction thanks to enel

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

expect said statement is completely contracted by main cannon as regular is literally just Analytical Prediction thanks to enel

No it's not... Enel doesn't contradicting anything or prove it's somehow Analytical Prediction

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No it's not... Enel doesn't contradicting anything or prove it's somehow Analytical Prediction

The fact you statement is apparently is
suggesting that regular Obs haki grants future dose in fact make enel and the entire cannon and mass contradiction. The need for info is not needed in looking into the “future”