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What the title says. While focusing on my Light Standards thread, making this thread completely slipped my mind. So nows time to play catch-up.
For what the purpose of this thread is for, the revision would be discussing the legitimacy of the DBS cosmology. If whether the universe's in the Dragon Ball Multiverse are their own space-times, or not. Yes, I know that we've had this discussio numerous times, so this isnt our first rodeo. However, due to a current consensus that we accept and apply to the Dragon Ball verse here, a huge problem in consistency comes from it that I and other users have recently noticed after this recent thread to try and upgrade the Gods of Destruction. To try and resolve it, this is where this thread comes from. I'll explain in more detail below.
This is where the problem would originate from. Currently, one of our discussion rules for Dragon Ball Super is this one:
"Also, do not try to upgrade the Gods of Destruction to 2-C based on the outcome of a hypothetical Champa and Beerus fight destroying their respective universes, as the statement likely referred to them destroying all the matter within their universes, with no proof of space-time being affected."
We currently reject the idea that Beerus and Champa would destroy the space-times of Universe 6 and Universe 7 based on Whis and Vados's statement, ultimately disagreeing with them receiving a tier 2-C upgrade that would likely result in accepting this idea. However, me and a few other users found a problem with this discussion rule.
Since we reject Beerus and Champa being able to destroy the space-times of their respective universes, that means we only accept them destroying the matter of their respecitive universes, as the discussion rule itself says. But if we only accept them destroying the matter of their respective universes, that means we're accepting and currently going with the idea that Beerus and Champa can breech the dimensional walls between their universes and destroy only the matter of Universe 6 and Universe 7. In other words, by accepting this discussion rule, we're accepting that Beerus and Champa can breech dimensional walls and destroy the 2 universes with 3-A level attacks. Which would be flat out impossible to happen without being able to affect space-time. Unless, as an exception, Universe 6 and 7 share the same space-time as each other and reside in the same space-time continuum as each other. However, that is something else that we also do not accept since we currently accept the universes in the Dragon Ball Super Multiverse to be their own individual space-times.
So im sure everyone should see the problem. This ends up creating a significant inconsistency between the 2 thats paradoxal. One one hand, we treat Beerus and Champa as only using 3-A level attacks to destroy their universes without affecting their space-times, just their matter. But on the other hand, we don't accept the universes in Dragon Ball Super sharing the same space-time as each other, we accept them as being in their own space-time continuums. So that means we would have to choose between 2 options:
Option 1: We accept Beerus and Champa being able to destroy the space-time continuums of Universe 6 and Universe 7 in their entirety instead of just their matter, which would likely result in them being upgraded to 2-C. Which, of course, would greatly affect the scaling of other DBS characters later down the line.
or
Option 2: We continue to accept them only destroying the matter of Universe 6 and Universe 7, but that would mean we would have to accept them being able to destroy the matter of 2 different universes, which as a result would mean the universes in Dragon Ball Super are not separated by their own space-time continuums but share them. This would make the DBS Multiverse share one giant space-time continuum, which would affect Zen'o's 2-C rating and the statistics of other characters.
I know this can get controversal, so if Staff would like to take the lead on this thread at any point and let qualified normal users participate, im completely fine with that. But as things stand, we need to come to a consensus about this, one way or the other.
For what the purpose of this thread is for, the revision would be discussing the legitimacy of the DBS cosmology. If whether the universe's in the Dragon Ball Multiverse are their own space-times, or not. Yes, I know that we've had this discussio numerous times, so this isnt our first rodeo. However, due to a current consensus that we accept and apply to the Dragon Ball verse here, a huge problem in consistency comes from it that I and other users have recently noticed after this recent thread to try and upgrade the Gods of Destruction. To try and resolve it, this is where this thread comes from. I'll explain in more detail below.
This is where the problem would originate from. Currently, one of our discussion rules for Dragon Ball Super is this one:
"Also, do not try to upgrade the Gods of Destruction to 2-C based on the outcome of a hypothetical Champa and Beerus fight destroying their respective universes, as the statement likely referred to them destroying all the matter within their universes, with no proof of space-time being affected."
We currently reject the idea that Beerus and Champa would destroy the space-times of Universe 6 and Universe 7 based on Whis and Vados's statement, ultimately disagreeing with them receiving a tier 2-C upgrade that would likely result in accepting this idea. However, me and a few other users found a problem with this discussion rule.
Since we reject Beerus and Champa being able to destroy the space-times of their respective universes, that means we only accept them destroying the matter of their respecitive universes, as the discussion rule itself says. But if we only accept them destroying the matter of their respective universes, that means we're accepting and currently going with the idea that Beerus and Champa can breech the dimensional walls between their universes and destroy only the matter of Universe 6 and Universe 7. In other words, by accepting this discussion rule, we're accepting that Beerus and Champa can breech dimensional walls and destroy the 2 universes with 3-A level attacks. Which would be flat out impossible to happen without being able to affect space-time. Unless, as an exception, Universe 6 and 7 share the same space-time as each other and reside in the same space-time continuum as each other. However, that is something else that we also do not accept since we currently accept the universes in the Dragon Ball Super Multiverse to be their own individual space-times.
So im sure everyone should see the problem. This ends up creating a significant inconsistency between the 2 thats paradoxal. One one hand, we treat Beerus and Champa as only using 3-A level attacks to destroy their universes without affecting their space-times, just their matter. But on the other hand, we don't accept the universes in Dragon Ball Super sharing the same space-time as each other, we accept them as being in their own space-time continuums. So that means we would have to choose between 2 options:
Option 1: We accept Beerus and Champa being able to destroy the space-time continuums of Universe 6 and Universe 7 in their entirety instead of just their matter, which would likely result in them being upgraded to 2-C. Which, of course, would greatly affect the scaling of other DBS characters later down the line.
or
Option 2: We continue to accept them only destroying the matter of Universe 6 and Universe 7, but that would mean we would have to accept them being able to destroy the matter of 2 different universes, which as a result would mean the universes in Dragon Ball Super are not separated by their own space-time continuums but share them. This would make the DBS Multiverse share one giant space-time continuum, which would affect Zen'o's 2-C rating and the statistics of other characters.
I know this can get controversal, so if Staff would like to take the lead on this thread at any point and let qualified normal users participate, im completely fine with that. But as things stand, we need to come to a consensus about this, one way or the other.