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Ouma vs Dante

Firephoenixearl

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Welp i promised that i would do this should they not meet in the brackets, since Dante is out they won't be able to meet so meh. Anyway for now.

Heavy Boi (AP: Somewhat above 96.7 tons)

vs

Dante Alighieri / Sassy boyo (AP: Significantly above 46 tons)

Both 8-B.

Start around 20 m appart.

speed equal

Bracket rules.
 
I wasn't connected for 1 hour so...

Also, I could keep the other thread going on (the brackets one) but the new fight was created earlier and Dante was deemed as the loser so meh
 
The whole wiki wasn't connected for 1 hour apparently. It's dante ffs, 1 of the most popular guys on the site.
 
Anyway let's get this started.

Does Dante have any way to overcome the AP difference and/or Tenryuu Armor?
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Anyway let's get this started.

Does Dante have any way to overcome the AP difference and/or Tenryuu Armor?
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He has a relatively big scaling chain on his ass, that could work but the AP is like x2.5 big if we only use the values on the OP.
 
Dante EoG > Vergil EoG > Dante MoG=Vergil MoG > Beowulf=Dante pre MoG > Dante's awakening>>> Dante BoG >>> Agni/Rudra >= Cerberus who is 46 tons with a breath/roar.

They should be somewhat comparable with base stats plus Dante can amp his ass with DT too, we don't know how big the amp is.

Also Dante has a plethora of weapons and abilities to deal with him (Agni/Rudra, Nevan, Cerberus, Beowulf, weapons with homing attack, doppelganger, time slow, actual regen, etc.).
 
That's not a good example, yes he has a massive scaling chain yet the best any of them have shown is the 46 tons. You can't even remotely argue Dante via being superior to many people is close to someone who's above 2x his own AP such as Ouma. Ouma still has an AP advantage although not of 2x via the scaling.

Not comparable, no. The ap advantage goes to Ouma easily.

Yes but will he be able to even damage Ouma? Ouma has his tenryuu armor on top of his already broken defense.
 
I don't understand Vs Threads

Sometimes, an AP gap of 3X~4X times is nothing and becomes a non factor in the fight, but here a 2X gap is enough to someone smash the other with AP

Meh
 
Well it's more like. A 2x gap here means dante cannot even do anything to Ouma whereas Ouma will just pound him. A 3-4x gap is managable when there is some legit skill gap or sth.
 
We have here a Hax Gap, actually, a big one

Also, a gap of 2X in AP is not that great, for a one-shot, in VS Threads, you need to be 7,5x stronger in AP than your opponent, that's our rule (at least it was, idk)

Anyway, I'm going with Dante here

The AP gap is less than 2X since he literally stomps Cerberus, who did their 8-B feat by breathing, and he can amp his stats with DT, plus what I said above

For the fight, Dante's Royalguard can redirect even Spatial Attacks that bypasses durability and can one shot another 8-Bs (From Vergil, just like when he killed Beowulf) so Wind Manipulation is not going to break the defense, also, Dante can use this to heal himself with Ultimate Royalguard.

For speed, their are equalized but Dante's Time Manipulation will give him the edge, since Quicksilver is a near stop going by the actual cutscene, and even in gameplay still a great factor. He can also use Doppelganger to double his range and firepower, and Teleportation to help him dodge most of Ouma's attacks

Not to mention Regenerationn, Flight (in case he needs to keep a distance) and Homing Attacks, that are going to hit Ouma in case Dante uses this with Quicksilver, since Ouma is going to be slower than Dante's attacks

Voting Dante
 
46 x 2 is 92, already very close to Akuma

Dante's scaling chain alone puts him well above this

The AP gap isn't that big at all
 
The gap is likely not even 1.5x, since not only Cerberus's feat was done casually, but he was also defeated by Dante at his absolute weakest. He got a giant power boost since then, from getting various weapons & abilities, as well as awakening his Devil Trigger.
 
Tenryuu Armor makes him borderline immune to anything Dante tries. And no, stat amp with DT is not allowed. Otherwise imma say Ouma just goes balls to the walls with low 7-C defense and attack + stat amp.

Ikki Kurogane a 96 ton dude, Couldn't scratch him through his armor even using his strongest attack which would pierce the armor.

Doppleganger won't help. It doesn't double firepower. It just makes 2 people attacking the armor, but the armor is wind and it's self regenerating so it'll be the same as 1 Dante.

Quicksilver may help, but if he cannot get past the armor it'll be pointless. It is also the fact that if Ouma removes the armor he becomes blitzy af. He was blitzing people who were comparable if not faster than him and quicksilver does have a limit of use, cannot be kept up indefninitely.

Also i know the 2x gap is not that big, but it's still an AP advantage. When the opponent cannot hurt you easily it means a lot. I never said 1 shot, but it will still be overwhelming.

Royal guard only helps against hits. Grabs are pretty in character for Ouma. Especially the grab + slam to get out of balance then using his strongest sword attack (not magic attack, sword attack).

Regenerationn won't really help too much. Especially not with the fact that decapitation bypasses it and that it can be "tired".
 
Again, the gap is negligible to non-existent, considering Dante's scaling. Also:

>nd no, stat amp with DT is not allowed. Otherwise imma say Ouma just goes balls to the walls with low 7-C defense and attack + stat amp

Except Dante's stat amp doesn't make him jump a tier, while Ouma's does, so it's okay for Dante's DT to be allowed, while restricting Ouma's amp.
 
Tenryuu armor doe. Not AP gap.

Ikki Kurogane is 96 tons, and using his strongest move which was very specificly trying to bypass the shield (attacking a certain way) and into Ouma's collar bone (which lacks muscles since it's soft tissue) still failed. Because the attack became so weak after reaching his skin he could literally grab it with his shoulder and smash ikki on the ground. DT won't be helping much.
 
There is also sth i forgot, and that is Ouma's invisibility. I don't think Dante has a counter to Ouma going invisible.
 
Dante FRA

I also have problems with Dante having mid regen and people claiming he can die due to decapitation.
 
No for real though. Anyone gonna say how he gets past Tenryuu Armor? As i said, Ikki couldn't get past it.
 
Tenryuu Armor makes him borderline immune to anything Dante tries. And no, stat amp with DT is not allowed. Otherwise imma say Ouma just goes balls to the walls with low 7-C defense and attack + stat amp.

Just like Reb said, only amps that change his tier aren't allowed

Ikki Kurogane a 96 ton dude, Couldn't scratch him through his armor even using his strongest attack which would pierce the armor.

Dante, a guy that stomps people who stomps people who are casually 46 Tons even without his DT can, he just need a few more hits

Doppleganger won't help. It doesn't double firepower. It just makes 2 people attacking the armor, but the armor is wind and it's self regenerating so it'll be the same as 1 Dante.

Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure, 2 Dantes attacking at the same time in different positions doesn't help

Quicksilver may help, but if he cannot get past the armor it'll be pointless. It is also the fact that if Ouma removes the armor he becomes blitzy af. He was blitzing people who were comparable if not faster than him and quicksilver does have a limit of use, cannot be kept up indefninitely.

Their base speed is equal, if Ouma's natural speed is without the armor (if i have the weakness of slowing him), then that's the speed that is getting equal here, which means he's slower than Dante when he have the armor, which is...not good for him, since Dante can slow him down in time or just use Teleportation to avoid literally anything that Ouma try

Unsure what he is going to do, since he's listed as very arrogan, also, Kusanagi gets weaker with each use after the third, interesting

Royal guard only helps against hits. Grabs are pretty in character for Ouma. Especially the grab + slam to get out of balance then using his strongest sword attack (not magic attack, sword attack).

It can block grabs...

Regenerationn won't really help too much. Especially not with the fact that decapitation bypasses it and that it can be "tired".

He doesn't know that he needs to decapitate Dante to make sure he's dead

There is also sth i forgot, and that is Ouma's invisibility. I don't think Dante has a counter to Ouma going invisible.

He can sense beings even kilometers away and see the aura of his enemies

Again, voting Dante, that's three votes for him
 
Yes, but when it comes to 8-B. Ouma is as peak as it gets basically.

Oh so that's where the confusion lied. Im sorry i didn't say sth that important. The barrier cannot break. It is literally just a thick layer of wind, it will reform itself after every attack, and 96ton attacks can barely make it to Ouma's skin (with little to no strength when it reaches it). You can hit it all day and the barrier won't budge.

See point above. I guess it's cleared up why 2 Dante's won't help. If 1 Dante cannot bypass it, then 2 Dante's won't do a thing either due to the barrier's self Regenerationn and non corporeal nature (due to being an element such as air).

No it's their starting speed equal. Ouma is usually fighting without his Tenryuu Armor (though i guess i could divide his profile into 2 keys, but that would just be for a visual effect as it's dumb otherwise), when speed is equalized, it equalizes his speed with Tenryuu Armor. When tenryuu armor is off, it's then than the blitz starts happening (we already did this in the Brackets and this is by brackets rules). Also teleportation would only do so much against someone who can manipulate wind and turn invisible at will.

Arrogant, yes. That's not a drawback here, because him being arrogant doesn't mean he'll let you hit him or go easy on you. Oh, no no, quite the oposite. It just means that he'll keep his Armor on. If he weren't arrogant and didn't want to get stronger (now that i think about it, Ouma's character is a bit similar to Vergil where they are both swordsman with a katana [although Ouma uses an Odachi] who wish for more power) he would release Tenryuu Armor and absolutely blitz you to hell and back, something he does only when he's serious (his arrogance also means he likely won't start with Kusanangi, which is his strongest move). Do not mistake his arrogance for weakness though, last time a brawler fought him, he literally just slammed him into the ground and ripped his heart out. So yes he is arrogant, means he will keep the Armor and won't use Kusanagi unless you prove yourself, otherwise he's pretty merciless.

I do not remember a single moment when royal guard was used on grabs. And i've played DMC 3->5. Was royal guard ever even used in cutscenes. It seems EXTREMELY out of character for him to even do that. Also guards do not really work against grabs by nature.

Well as i said above, he's the guy to go for killing moves, he crushed someone's heart (and that's worse than getting stabbed in the heart btw, which i believe is the best Dante has shown), as his first attack. A decapitation isn't out of character for him (i may need to read Ikki vs Ouma again doe).
 
Tony di bugalu said:
You can RG agnus grab, the souls eater grab and I think there are more.
git gud u nob
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That's just game mechanics though. Because the grabs from a game perspective still have attack frames. RG is programmed to do stuff against attack frames. Grabs obviously work, game mechanics just let you RG grabs.

Im more of a trickster guy myself so can't say anything, RG is like my least fav style
 
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