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Top Five Strongest Characters For Every Tier 5

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Tier 0: N/A...?

Tier 1-A:

1. Characters from Umineko no Naku Koro ni or Cthulhu Mythos

2. Akuto Sai

3. Haju

4. Other Characters from Masadaverse

5.

Tier High 1-B:

1. Characters from The Elder Scrolls

2. Ga

3. Crimson King

4. Death of the Endless

5. Downstreamers

Tier 1-B:

1. Characters from I/O

2. Gods (Magi)

3. Monads

4. SCP-001 (S Andrew Swann's Proposal)

5. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

Tier High 1-C:

1. God (World of Darkness)

2. The Six-Fold God

3. Downstreamers

4.

5.

Tier 1-C:

1. Characters from Shin Megami Tensei

2.

3.

4.

5.

Tier Low 1-C:

1. Characters from The Elder Scrolls

2. God (World of Darkness)

3. Thanatos (Dungeons and Dragons)

4.

5.

Tier High 2-A:

1. YHVH

2. The Lady of Pain (Dungeons and Dragons)

3.

4.

5.

Tier 2-A:

1. Characters from Shin Megami Tensei

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. The Ur-Drago

4. Characters from Puella Magi Verse

5. Characters from Blazblue

Tier 2-B:

1. Warhammer Fantasy Gods of Chaos

2. Tiamat-Lilith

3. Arceus

4. Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

5. Ainchase Ishmael (Herrscher Path)

Tier 2-C:

1. Vecna (Speed Equalized)/Magnus the Red (Speed Unequalized)

2. Other characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. Alice (Shin Megami Tensei)

4. Ragna the Bloodedge

5. Thanos (Marvel Comics)

Tier Low 2-C:

1. Caine (World of Darkness)

2. Vivec

3. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

4. Hatou Manabu

5. Lavos

Tier High 3-A:

1. Yuuki Kagurazaka (Web Novel)

2.

3.

4.

5.

Tier 3-A:

1. Reinhard Heydrich, Yakou Madara or Mercurius

2. Amatsu-Mikaboshi (Speed Equalized)

3. Hades (Saint Seiya)

4. Hecatia Lapislazuli

5. Amitabha (Touhou Project)

Tier 3-B:

1. Bard

2. Castiel

3. Theodore Miller

4. Cronus (Saint Seiya)

5.

Tier 3-C:

1. Alphamo (Speed Equalized)/Arkadimo (Speed Unequalized)

2. Odin (Fortissimo)

3.

4.

5.

Tier 4-A:

1. The Emperor of Mankind

2. Pelinal

3. The Yncarne

4. Ao_(Dungeons_and_Dragons)

5. Nicol Bolas

Tier 4-B:

1. The Emperor of Mankind (Speed Equalized)/The Atlas (Speed Unequalized)

2. Oryx, the Taken King

3. Characters from Warhammer 40,000

4. Characters from Destiny

5. Darth Sidious/Elder Tita (Speed Unequalized)

Tier High 4-C:

1. Caine (World of Darkness)

2. Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

3. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ke

4.

5.

Tier 4-C:

1. Caine (World of Darkness)

2. Morgan Le Fay (The Librarians)

3. The Daughters of Oryx/Riven of a Thousand Voices

4. Odin (Fortissimo)

5.

Tier Low 4-C:

1. Characters from Metroid

2.

3.

4.

5.

Tier High 5-A:

1. Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves the World) (Speed Equalized)/Ahzek Ahrima (Speed Unequalized)

2.

3.

4.

5.

Tier 5-A:

1. Beatrice (Wild Arms)

2. Lavos

3. Characters from Nasuverse

4. Lord Drakko

5. Rumplestiltskin (OUAT)

Tier 5-B:

1. UKG and Reinhard Heydrich

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. Amakasu Masahiko

4. Rumplestiltskin (OUAT)

5.

Tier Low 5-B:

1. Characters from BlazBlue

2. Ultharathotep

3.

4.

5.

Tier 5-C:

1. Characters from Destiny

2. Atropus

3. Medaka Kurokami

4. Yhwach

5.

Tier High 6-A:

1. Vecna (Speed Equalized)/Nanashi (Shin Megami Tensei) (Speed Unequalized)

2. Phantaminum

3. Yhwach

4. Goetia

5.

Tier 6-A:

1. Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)

2. Satou

3. Characters from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ke

4. Ehitorujue

5. Shockwave (IDW)

Tier High 6-B:

1. Characters from Masadaverse

2. Golden King

3. Kezef the Chaos Hound

4. Mio Takamiya

5. Baal

Tier 6-B:

1. Helios (Silverio Trinity) (Speed Equalized)/Kezef the Chaos Hound (Speed Unequalized)

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. Kars (JORGE JOESTAR)

4. Hoopa

5. Ainchase Ishmael (Herrscher Path)

Tier Low 6-B:

1. Characters from BlazBlue

2. The Operator

3. Warframes

4. Ophis

5. Other chracters from Warframe

Tier High 6-C:

1. Vanir

2. Wiz

3. Sirzechs Lucifer

4. Wolf of Saturn Six

5. Cole MacGrath (Evil Karma)

Tier 6-C:

1. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

2. Shion Yorigami (Speed Unequalized)

3. Caster (Merlin)

4. Mami Tomoe

5. Wiz

Tier High 7-A:

1. Avatar of Calamity

2. Mega Alakazam

3.

4.

5.

Tier 7-A:

1. Habaki Sakagami

2. Keishirou Kyougetsu

3. King Hassa

4. Kumoko

5. Aleister Crowley

Tier 7-B:

1. Habaki Sakagami

2. Keishirou Kyougetsu

3. Homura Akemi

4. Characters from Arpeggio of Blue Steel

5.

Tier Low 7-B:

1. Characters from BlazBlue

2. Naraku and Characters from Earthbound

3.

4.

5.

Tier High 7-C:

1. Han Jee-Ha

2. Horakhty, The Creator God of Light

3.

4.

5.

Tier 7-C:

1. Characters from BlazBlue

2. Hiiragi Seijuurou

3. Beiloune

4. Yomika

5. Ikki Kurogane

Tier Low 7-C:

1. Altair (Re:Creators) (Speed Equalized)

2. Limbo or Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry

3.

4.

5.

Tier 8-A:

1. Oracle

2. Clockwork

3. Devilman (Composite)

4. Characters from Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry

5. Psylocke

Tier 8-B:

1. Es

2. Iihiko Shishime

3. Amane Shinomiya

4. Characters from Medaka Box

5. Ikki Kurogane

Tier High 8-C:

1. The Dunwich Horror

2. SCP-682

3. Grimmo

4. Bloody Touching Monster

5.

Tier 8-C:

1. Culexus Assassins

2. Matoi Sumeragi

3. Nanashi (Shin Megami Tensei)

4. Dr. Gii

5. Amane Shinomiya

Tier 9-A:

1. Jill Presto

2. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

3. The Player (The Magic Circle)

4. Yomika

5. The House of Refuge

Tier 9-B:

1. Enlil (I/O)

2. John Taylor

3. Cain (DC Comics)

4. Characters from Dungeons and Dragons

5. Tokiha Misa or Jotaro Kujo (Eyes of Heaven)

Tier 9-C:

1. Lucetta Quetzl

2. HABIT/ Protagonist-ku (Speed Equalized)

3. Amari

4. Eztli-Tenoch

5. Satan (Incarnations of Immortality)

Tier 10-A:

1. Amane Shinomiya/ Yogiri Takatou

2. Giorno Giovanna (Speed Unequalized)

3. Other Characters from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

4. Mononobe Yuu

5. Sara Bloodlily and Utakata Misogi

Tier 10-B:

1. Molecule Ma

2. Hinata Himezuru

3. Yurika Tatsumiya (Speed Equalized)/Amari (Speed Unequalized)

4. Enrico Pucci

5. Shinobu Oshino

Tier 10-C:

1. Culaina

2. Cueball (xkcd)

3. Charles Xavier

4. Mysterious Stranger

5. SCP-3043

Tier 11-A:

1. SCP-3143

2. White Face

3. Bill Cipher

4. Animator (Animator vs. Animation)

5.

Tier 11-B:

1. Disembodied Thought

2. King of Lineland

Tier 11-C:

1. SCP-2747

2. Monarch of Pointland

Tier Unknown:

1. Majestic Presence

2. Yhoundeh

3. Wally The God-Boy

4.

5.

Tier Varies:

1. Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos)

2. Characters from I/O

3. SCP-2747

4.

5.
 
SchroKatze said:
Fate, Probability and Causality hax have the same results. Probability can fail if it isn't raised to 100% tho.
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Having the same results sometimes doesn't mean resisting one lets you resist all. You can cause someone to hear a sound through: Sound Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, Technological Manipulation, Thread Manipulation, Reality Warping, Plot Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, and weird Conceptual Manipulation (Apply the concept of a certain sound to the area near their ears).

Yobo Blue said:
Wrong. You misunderstood completely. They are not necessarily totally different just because of having different pages. See see here.
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That thread was largely disagreed with...
 
The entire point of that thread was for it to be disagreed with. I didn't agreee with it. It was a example of why that was false.
 
Yobo Blue said:
The entire point of that thread was for it to be disagreed with. I didn't agreee with it. It was a example of why that was false.
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It was disagreed with because some of them weren't the same power.

"Fear Maniulation is Empathic Manipulation, therefore Fate Manipulation and Probability Manipulation are the same" is a nonsense argument.
 
That thread was supposed to explain why the current rule of redundancy was nonsense, and thus needed clarification.

Fire's argument was that since Fate and Probability share a page, they must be different, which was disproved on that thread.
 
Yobo Blue said:
That's a strawman fallacy. That was not nearly what I said in any capacity.
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Right, you said "They are not necessarily different just because of having different pages." And the argument for fate/probability being different wasn't just because they had different pages.
 
Addressing one part of the argument by no means means that I believe it to disprove the others. It just means I chose to address that one at that specific moment.
 
Got it.
 
Honestly though, I feel it'd be best to have a separate thread to discuss it considering the importance of the issue.
 
maybe Ainchase can occupy the remaining space of the high 6A tier, or maybe he can even win against Yhwach.
 
Yncarne's a little weird. On one hand, it's regular attacks permakilled daemons and the chaos God's themselves don't like looking at it. On the other hand, Ahriman beat it just by ambushing Yvraine's convoy and baiting the Ynvarne into a portal to Ahriman controlled space, which would imply that something like Oryx's passive would seriously **** it up. On the third hand, that's a key I'm trying to upgrade to tier 2, and on the fourth hand Oryx had a match with Ahriman that until revisions was either going incon or to him.

Basically, 4-B's in a weird spot with relation to key 2 Oryx and Warhammer characters.
 
Paul Frank said:
Goetia stomped Yhwach before pretty sure he should have a spot on the list
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That thread was made over a year ago.

I'd suggest a rematch if you want to say that Goetia is definitively above Yhwach.
 
I'm gonna propose two potential 4-As, but idk how they compare to the Warhammer Guys, so I'll leave it up to people who knows their shit decide:

Junko: Abstract Existence Type 1. Resistance to Concept stuff due to lacking one. Omnipresent in several universes. Can strip the concept out of someone at will.

Urotsuki/Madotsuki: Immortality Type 9. 2-C existence erasure on "death".
 
Also, on the topic above, doesn't manipulating Fate mean that you manipulate Causality and Probability?

Controlling someone's destiny is to assert that something will happen to them despite any possibility of something else happening to them. Out of all possibilities, you are choosing which probable outcome may occur and are forcing them to abide by the actions to accomplish that desired fate.

Hell, our Fate Manipulation page says as such with the "types" of fate manipulation being causality and probability.
 
Warren Valion said:
Paul Frank said:
Goetia stomped Yhwach before pretty sure he should have a spot on the list
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That thread was made over a year ago.
I'd suggest a rematch if you want to say that Goetia is definitively above Yhwach.
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High 6-A yhwach hasn't really gotten any changes though, especially not any that would help
 
Paul Frank said:
Warren Valion said:
Paul Frank said:
Goetia stomped Yhwach before pretty sure he should have a spot on the list
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That thread was made over a year ago.
I'd suggest a rematch if you want to say that Goetia is definitively above Yhwach.
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High 6-A yhwach hasn't really gotten any changes though, especially not any that would help
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People have a better understanding on how Yhwach's powers work now than they did a year ago.

Like hell, Goetia doesn't even resist fate manipulation, so I doubt that he stomps Yhwach.


Make the fight.
 
Paul Frank said:
@warren
you do know high 6-A is base Yhwach

Without the almighty

Nothing has changed
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You do know that Yhwach has three High 6-A keys, and that the one on this list is the strongest one which possess The Almighty, right?

I should know, I am the one who said he should be on this list.
 
Paul Frank said:
I've seen like
1 match with him

that's 1 more than any key besides the last one
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The last match with Base Yhwach was one I made with Dante, and Yhwach won because Dante got downgraded.

When people think Yhwach, they think Almighty, and thus the version of Yhwach without the Almighty is never used.

I literally made the match because no one makes a match with Base Yhwach, who is pretty haxxed in his own right.
 
Paul Frank said:
If I make the match I can't vote for Goetia though feelsbadma
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There are plenty of knowledgable people with a series as big as Fate.

If he wins, he wins, but I am pretty sure it isn't a stomp.
 
Once again, The Fateless One for 5th 8-C due to resisting all of Amane's passives. His fatehax is also very good, so it would be occupying the spot for the same reason Amane currently does.

And before anyone says he would be affected by probability due to only resisting Fate, every single instance of Probability Manipulation revolves around manipulation of the likelihood of future events, not past, not present. The past has already happened, either the event happened or it didn't (1 or 0). The present is also a similar case, either the event is happening or it isn't (1 or 0). Uncertainty only lies in the likelihood of future events since they haven't occurred yet, and the probability is thus manipulateable. Fortunately, TFO is Type 2 Acausal, meaning that he's a temporal singularity that only exists in the present, not in the past or future. So he's effectively immune to Fate, Probability and Causality Manips. It also grants immunity to "I can see the future" types of Precognition that characters like Diavolo use.
 
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