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Limbo vs Reinhard. I hope god won't smite me for this.

Paul Frank said:
So uhh
The longinus hit true marie by hitting Ren's relic so im pretty sure spearing limbo will hit the operator
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Ren's Relic was still a fragment of Marie or sth like that no? I mean the relic was linked to Marie, in some way. The warframe is not, it's like saying reinhard spearing a car will kill his owner (who's not inside the car).
 
The relic was very loosely connected to her but the true marie existed on the twilight beach outside of the throne's influence


The warframe is connected to the operator in that they operator controls it which should be enough
 
Well that's like an "existencial" link if you can call it that. As in the link is part of marie or originated from her.

The Operator and Limbo are completely different. They didn't originate from the same place and are like...barely connected at all. Again i don't think Reinhard has ever killed anything linked in this way. So spear doesn't work.

(Can't believe there would ever come a day when the spear wouldn't work on someone, geez)
 
Also either way limbo has 0 way to put Reinhard down thanks to his double type 8

He also can't reach Reinhard once he summons Gladsheim which is his first move so here's how the fight goes

Rein summons gladsheim

Rein spears limbo and kills the operator through him

Or

Rein spears limbo and turns him into part of his legion and eventually spears the operator anyway
 
Has no way to put reinhard down. The double type 8 only saves him from death. There are still tons of ways for Limbo to win. I mean his arsenal has more non lethal ways rather than lethal ways to end a fight.

Limbo would be able to point and freeze Rein in the rift before he can do anything, not to mention stuff like invisibility works (Reinhard's ESP is useless here as limbo lacks mind and soul).

Rein won't kill the operator through Limbo, no case of that happening with connections as weak as those.

And Limbo's win con would be way faster than Reinhard's glads. Not to mention that the 1st move in character is the spearing IIRC, that's what used in bazillions of battles. So Limbo will also have tactical advantage if he opens up with that.
 
Paul Frank said:
Glads is thought based though so nothing limbo does is faster
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It's not what Rein opens up with though. In almost every reinhard thread the 1st move is throws his spear.
 
Throws his spear is a meme

He literally only uses it if he thinks you are a worthy opponent or the fight is boring he never starts with it
 
Hmm imma wait for more knowledgable people then. This might end up as inconc. But i believe Limbo still has quite a fair chance.

Though killing the first Limbo should be enough for Reinhard to remove the Glads, he does that, 2nd limbo just snipe freezes him in the rift. I mean Reinhard wouldn't keep Glads up for no reason if his opponent is dead. That would give clone limbo a chance to win the fight.
 
Rein has no reason to leave glads once he enters

Glads is his castle and allows him to teleport anywhere since it is detached from the world of foreknowledge

Rein is also resistant to special and temporal manipulation and he can turn himself invisible

And would void energy equate to magic?
 
Yes he does, the fight is over, there is no reason for Reinhard to stay there for the rest of his life, if that were what he does Glads would be passive not something he summons.

Well he resisted hax from Ren, but Ren directly affects time, whereas Limbo will just freeze him rather than freeze time itself. There is a reason it's not flat time stop.

Nope, not by a long shot. It wouldn't even equate to stuff like Chi or Chakra (since it's not sth beings should possess at all). I don't think void energy would equate to anything via verse equalization, the way it works, what it is and what it does seem to be REALLY specific.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Yes he does, the fight is over, there is no reason for Reinhard to stay there for the rest of his life, if that were what he does Glads would be passive not something he summons.

Well he resisted hax from Ren, but Ren directly affects time, whereas Limbo will just freeze him rather than freeze time itself. There is a reason it's not flat time stop.

Nope, not by a long shot. It wouldn't even equate to stuff like Chi or Chakra (since it's not sth beings should possess at all). I don't think void energy would equate to anything via verse equalization, the way it works, what it is and what it does seem to be REALLY specific.
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1. It's literally his castle he kinda lives there so no he dosen't have a reason to leave

2.He also resists spacial manipulation

3.I still feel attacks using it could be considered magical via verse equalization and nulled by Rein but meh
 
Ok so, I have been told by both Monarch and Warron that Reins opening move is to use Glad.

Once Rein enters Glad Limbo can due nothing outside being hit by LLT which either perma kills him or turns him into part of Reins legion.
 
1. Again if he keeps it on for eternity and never takes it back why is not passive for him like LLT is? The fact that he's not constantly in glads gives Limbo a chance to snipe.

2. Special manipulation? What the hell is that?

3. Nah, not magic.
 
Actually iirc in one of the fights he activated it and left it out for like months or something like that.

And if he just turns Limbo into part of his legion the fights over.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
1. Again if he keeps it on for eternity and never takes it back why is not passive for him like LLT is? The fact that he's not constantly in glads gives Limbo a chance to snipe.

2. Special manipulation? What the hell is that?

3. Nah, not magic.
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1. Llt has passive hax and is in his hands at the start of the fight

Glads is thought based and his first action so he hops in glads and spears then never has to leave since either the operator dies via being connected to limbo or limbo is part of the legion, in either case he considers the fight done and lives his life so limbo has no chance to snipe

2.Manipulating space which is how limbo freezes targets in the rift

3.Well it doesn't matter in the end since limbo can't reach rein
 
1. I know. My question is if he is just full time in glads why is glads not standard equipment like llt is. Why doesn't he start in glads of is in character for him to spend eternity there.

2. That's spatial not special xD. But i don't know limbo freezing the dimension is spatial manip.

I can't see this going worse than inconc. Considering absorbing limbo is useless as he won't be able to move or act without his own operator, limbo still has his other hax like deconstruction and absorption or info manip rein has no answer to. Not to mention that rein can accept limbo into glads and fight him there, which I'm tempted to say will be a win for limbo. Not to mention the time travel and don't forget the operator can always BP rein to make spear useless and make him unable to summon or hop on to glads.
 
Rein can and will just keep Glad out.

Rein can just drop Limbo into nowhere and if the operator gets involved its outside help just like with Cain and Presence,

and so far you havnt countered Limbo simply becoming apart of Reins legion which btw gives Rein all of Limbos powers.
 
Ok, limbo can still get inside glads. It's normal for rein to accept people into glads.

Not in this case. No. Because the wf-op link is pretty special. As neither can function without the other. They always fight together, they exist to fight together. The same as the duo characters we have. So, no, it's not outside help, since operator is the only enemy to being with, he's the only one fighting rein.

Being a part of his legion will not be good enough, as limbo himself is just a robot, he does not posses that many abilities. He only works because op is giving him void energy. When limbo becomes part of the legion he'll turn back to being a lifeless robot that can't move, think or act at all. And rein will not get any powers as limbo is just a medium for the operator's void manip. So rein can't use any abilities if he doesn't posses void energy, which he doesn't.
 
Rein only let's certain people into glads

If he spears limbo he wouldn't let him in afterwords

I still feel like the fact that there is a wf op link would allow llt to affect the OP through limbo
 
If Limbo just becomes a lifeless robot then Reinhard wins.

And Rein lets people in when he thinks they are worthy he wont just insta let someone in.
 
Hmm why wouldn't he let limbo?

Invis and lack of soul will make it impossible for rein to spear him. Can't hit sth you cannot see or sense.

The link is just use though. Llt erases stuff on every level. But the wf is not connected to the op at all. He's just being used by the op. Or being fuelled. There is nothing to suggest llt can kill through links like that, then again invis will make the spear useless.

And do not forget body puppetry, time travel and the other stuff I mentioned I really don't see the spear getting a chance here. Glads might be stopped as well either by bp or by time travel.
 
Bruh once Rein enters Glad and cant sense his oppnent then Limbo can do nothing.

Hes not going to let someone in if he cant sense them.
 
PsychoWarper said:
If Limbo just becomes a lifeless robot then Reinhard wins.

And Rein lets people in when he thinks they are worthy he wont just insta let someone in.
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The absorbed limbo i meant. Not the new clone.

Someone looks at his spear passives, laughs at them, body controls him, ave if it ever comes to it (if rein ever gets to hit him with the spear) tanks his strongest ability or his spear. How is limbo not worthy exactly?
 
I mean since Rein insta enters Glad then Limbo cant body control him and Limbo cant tank LLT.
 
PsychoWarper said:
I mean since Rein insta enters Glad then Limbo cant body control him and Limbo cant tank LLT.
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He can body control him before he enters. It's thought vs thought. And he can bp him even when rein is in glads, I'll explain below how or why.

Limbo can tank llt, or more like another limbo, totally unrelated joins the fight. Rein doesn't know that so in his eyes limbo just tanked his strongest hit. Remember that's IF he ever gets hit by llt. He has that invis after all, making the spear useless.

Once rein deems him worthy for taking the llt passives he let's him inside glads where the operator just bps him, by teleporting the void avatar from limbo to rein.
 
Well no unless Limbos BP has Irrelevent range he cant do anything to Rein in Glad, and no Limbo doesnt tank it, another one appears, Rein will notice that and he knows about things like Type 8 immortlity.
 
Why would limbo lead with bp canonically his first move would be one of his actual abilities as that is what he uses the most

Also invis isn't passive so rein would have a target to hit with llt, eleonore's briah kinda makes seeing the target irrelevant
 
Hmm to affect him from outside glads he needs irrelevant range. From inside he doesn't. From inside glads it's easy for the void avatar to tp inside rein.

You keep missing the fact that he'll never get a chance to spear limbo due to invis i don't know why.

Time travel is still a thing. It will work wonders against glads.
 
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