The Smashor said:
No, disbelieving Low 2-C Master Hand is not "unfounded" whatsoever.
I will explain why that is so.
Dialga Feat
The only Low 2-C feat in the series, is a statement made about Dialga which is remarkably similar to a statement made in the Pokemon series about Dialga's origins. That "Dialga's birth caused time to flow" or something like that.
Here is the Smash Trophies:
Brawl
- Dialga: A Temporal Pokémon. This Legendary Pokémon is talked about as a deity in fables passed down through generations in the Sinnoh region. Identifiable by the diamondlike crystal in the center of its chest, Dialga is said to have set time in motion at the moment of its birth. Its fearsome Roar of Time attack is so powerful that it must refrain from attacking on its next turn.
Smash 4
- Dialga: The concept of time has always been one of the world's great mysteries, but Dialga might hold the answer. Legend has it that Dialga's birth caused time to begin moving! It's no surprise that the people of Sinnoh see this Pokémon as a deity. If you're ever running late, maybe you could ask Dialga to do you a favour and turn back the clock.
And here is Dialga's AP description on the wiki:
- Multiverse level (Its birth made time begin to flow. Is a good amount stronger than Darkrai, even with Palkia fighting it and drawing its attention. Aided in the creation of the multiverse, which contains an untold number of universes. For instance, certain universe's versions of the Kalos region contain a Reflection Cave. The mirrors in this cave each lead to other universes, each with their own versions of Reflection Cave with more mirrors leading to more universes, and so on. Equal to Palkia.)
As you can plainly see, the description is relatively the same in every Smash game, and in the AP description that hails from the Pokemon series.
Following Occam's Razor, it would be a far more logical conclusion to assume that the trophy is just describing the origin of the character
from their franchise, then describing a feat by the Smash version without any proof of such a feat happening - at all.
Anti-Feat Rant
The basis of your argument is that if a consistently ranked character has feats that are below their tier, then it qualifies for a low-level outlier, and thus, should be ignored.
This is correct, not every outlier has to be ridiculously higher than the character's tier, it can be the opposite as well - Goku getting damaged by bullets being an example I can think of off the top of my head.
I have no problem with this statement, but I do have a problem with your implication. Master Hand is not consistently a Low 2-C character - in any metric known to man whatsoever.
The problem with Master Hand isn't Anti-Feats, which are just outliers btw, it's the fact that you are incorrectly interpreting what is happening in the series.
Consistent 4-D Feats/Statements
Simply put, where are these "consistent statements"?
Are you talking about statements like "Master Hand being the link to the Real World and the Toy World" and "Master Hand embodies Creation"? If so, those aren't feats, they are hyperbolic gibberish that doesn't mean anything without proof as such.
And I need to ask, if Master Hand is the embodiment of creation in the Smash verse, then why do we consider that Smash Dialga and the rest of the Creation Trio are the ones who
created the Smash verse?
Isn't that a contradiction? How can they both be the creators of the verse?
Anyway, if you have proof that Master Hand is a 4-D being that doesn't rely on vague "creator" arguments that don't have any merit, then I'd love to hear them.
Master Hand Viewing the Roster as Toys
Master Hand "seeing the roster as toys" is because the roster are toys that come to life - it doesn't equate to any difference in power, nor does it equate a dimensional difference as I have seen some argue.
In this picture.
Link and Yoshi are standing over a trophy version of Mario. Does that mean both Link and Yoshi are ridiculously stronger than Mario? No, it doesn't. It means that Mario was damaged enough to revert to his inert trophy state -
like all other trophies as shown in Brawl's story mode Sub-Space Emissary.
Power is not a measure in this scenario whatsoever.
Especially considering that the roster that Master Hand supposedly views as "toys", keep kicking his ass in every game, and those who are stronger than him as well.
Not to mention, that characters like Master Hand and Crazy Hand, who according to you, are "the sole creators of the franchise that looks down at the cast like they are toys", are in fact,
trophies themselves in the
trophy gallery.
Conclusion/TL;DR
Dialga's Low 2-C feat is just a reference to Dialga's legendary feat in Pokemon, not an actual feat that Dialga did in the Smashverse.
Vague statements on how Master Hand "embodies creation" or has "power that borders on the absolute" are meaningless without actual proof of what "embodying creation" means or what "absolute power" entails.
And that using said tidbit of lore completely contradicts the notion that Dialga was the one to set time in motion in the Smashverse entirely - furthering the debunk of that argument.
Master Hand "viewing the characters as toys" means absolutely nothing in terms of power since the characters - including Master Hand are, in fact, toys or trophies.
Finally, we should actually use feats from the series - like Galeem's Light ability being 3-A and MFTL+ for instance, instead of relying on misinterpreted references and random vague lore.
So in conclusion, Master Hand not being 4-D isn't "completely unfounded".
