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Ban Midou vs Yuuki Terumi

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Terumi has passive paralysis, perception and fear hax. Along with very potent Precog and Observation.
 
1. What's their range?

2. Passive Paralysis won't do much

Perception and Fear are just sub-categories of Mind and empathetic hax which Ban already resists.

Precog may or may not be useful. The Archiver couldn't predict the future Ban, Ginji and Akabane were creating, but that's apparently only somehow in the last arc, in previous arcs Ban has been precoged. But since this is Angel Arm Ban he should resist.

Observation? SMT is that you again?
 
Observation is essentially "Whatever you want will exist or whatever you don't want to exist won't exist". Noel was subconsciously shaping all phenomena without even knowing it via being the Eye of the Azure. Susano'o should have it since he absorbed Noel.

More info on it is here
 
Not only does Ban have the exact same thing, but he also beat and was apparently unaffected by Akabane who also had the same thing. So it won't do much.
 
What's Ban's win condition in the first place?

Plus, Noel/Amaterasu's PI can work on people who resist it like Valkenhayn.
 
Is that the "Observation" thing you were talking about? Again as i said, Ban resists stuff like that AND has a similar ability. They call it "logic manipulation" though. Everything Ban doesn't believe can't happen and everything he does believe will definitely happen. So i doubt PI will be all that useful with both of those in effect.

The Jagan is basically a reality warping ability. Into Ban's eyes is "reflected" a fake world, this fake world is entirely under Ban's control, and he warps it to make you believe something he desires. He can show you a world where you're dying, and if you believe that you will inflict that result upon yourself (If you believe something strongly enough it will happen, if you believe you were burned, burn marks will appear on your body~ Ban). Though anything Ban wants can be shown or induced, from simple results like death or burning, to making you relive your entire past, or even simply showing you your win. He can make you believe you killed him and won the match, leading the other player to commit self BFR. I don't see Yuuki not getting fooled by a reality warping system that's better than guys who don't get fooled by This guy's reality warping, so yeah. I vote Ban.

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Ban activating the Jagan. Though, no the whole "space cosmos" thingy isn't really a thing, it's just a visual effect for the viewers, no one notices a difference between normal reality and jagan reality. Not even the dudes who created the damned ability and world.
 
I didn't see a resistance to paralysis on bans profile

So yuki gets another boring victory via paralysis
 
Paul Frank said:
I didn't see a resistance to paralysis on bans profile
So yuki gets another boring victory via paralysis
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Seeing as it won't prevent Jagan and ban can just logic out of it, it's pretty useless.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Then terumi adapts to it, and mind hax him beyond 2-A repair and GG.
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Assuming he will be affected by 2-A mind hax when he has resisted The Archiver, and assuming adapting then doing the mind hax will happen before the Jagan....no. Not happening.
 
It's 1000% in character as he essentially uses Ouroboros and Susanoo's powers all in one. And the reality warping thing, Terumi resists easily.
 
@Rots it was useless to Terumi throughout the entirety of CS. Teumi at this stage with Susanoo is much stronger than that.
 
As for the following:

"reflected" a fake world, this fake world is entirely under Ban's control, and he warps it to make you believe something he desires. He can show you a world where you're dying, and if you believe that you will inflict that result upon yourself (If you believe something strongly enough it will happen, if you believe you were burned, burn marks will appear on your body~ Ban)

This is extremely similar to the Embryo and what Izanami can do. And Terumi has shown to resist it. Plus, all that you've explained would just be classified as an advanced form of information manipulation.

I don't see Yuuki not getting fooled by a reality warping system that's better than guys who don't get fooled by This guy's reality warping, so yeah. I vote Ban.

Terumi wasn't fooled by neither the Takamagahara system who on its own can perceive and affect a larger multiverse than the Archiver can. This isn't even considering the Master Unit.

Also, has Ban used this on a type 1 Abstract of a type 2 concept? You need feats for that.
 
And Terumi even outsmarted Takamagahara even though they were able to observe every single event that occured in the entire world by waiting for the precise moment that they wouldn't observe him, which the time spanned for a rough estimation of 1/48000000 seconds
 
Nedge1000 said:
Yüki Terumi has no Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation though on his profile. I am pretty sure that he get stomps.
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Resistant to the following: Pain Manipulation (Scales from Rachel, who was able to withstand Hazama's pain inhibitors that would kill a person ten times over due to her being an Observer), Empathic Manipulation (The Nox Nyctores can shut down the user's emotions), Transmutation (As a chosen, he's unaffected by the Embryo's effect to turn everything into seithr), Poison Manipulation, Madness Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, and Statistics Reduction (Everybody can resist Seithr to some extent which is poisonous, can induce addiction and deteriorate bodies, as well as reducing the power of others), Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Time Manipulation, BFR, Information Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Quantum Manipulation and Fate Manipulation (Unaffected by Noel and Takamagahara's phenomena intervention),
 
This isn't even counting all the things Terumi has that Ban doesn't resist, that can one shot or incap on thought
 
Shootingkill, my mistake then. It is so rare that any put Conceptual Manipulation resistance Type that I have thought it was a repeat for another key since the profile is so long.
 
Schnee One said:
Ban has no resistance to Time Killer, or Precognition.
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Resistance to Metaphysics Manipulation (Got to Makubex even though the place was sealed by logic walls. Due to the fact that he can control "higher Logic" he cannot be affected by any lower Logic), Heat and Blood Manipulation (isn't bothered by Raitei's passive Aura), Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation (Could see through Makubex' and The Archivers' Virtual Reality), Soul Manipulation (Fought and won against Raitei at full power), Power Nullification and Power Modification (Won against Akabane without getting affected by him), Precognition, Data Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Magic, Soul Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Dream Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Void Manipulation, BFR, Teleportation, Probability Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Quantum Manipulation, Willpower Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Absorption and everything The Archiver can do and more (He, Ginji and Akabane go against the history written by The Archiver, who stated that if someone were to go against his history they would be put back onto it. It was also stated that The Archiver is unable to predict their future nor the future they changed. Furthermore Ginji and Ban were unaffected by the encroachment of the beltline and the changes and rules The Archiver was imposing on reality), Statistics Reduction (Could engage in combat and defeat the likes of Akabane inside the Beltline which drains someone of his stamina), Time Manipulation (Defeated Kagami while having his own flow of time affected by the Magic Mirror)
 
Yeah pretty sure Ban gets stomped here, Type 1 Abstract on a Type 2 concept and resisting everything Ban throws at him plus 2-A mind hax that can mind hax people with 2-A mind hax resistence...
 
Terumi seems to take this win FRA. He seems to have many things that Ban can't deal with while resisting a lot of Ban's stuff.
 
Control + F makes Hax walls so much easier to read.

Japanese MJ has my vote
 
This is from the Hakumen page...but iirc, the power is still the same.

  • Empty Sky Form: Time Killer: Hakumen's trump card. Hakumen focuses his energy, then delivers a single blow: should it land, all of the time that the victim possesses, has possessed, or ever will possess, in this timeline and in all others, is immediately destroyed, effectively deleting a being from reality entirely.
 
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