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Ichibei vs Accelerator

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Ichibei is faster and brushes Accelerator to nothingness. Normal brush cuts his powers in half, shikai removes his powers and he gets smacked like and ant later on.
 
Do you mean him?

I will assume so. So this might be a guess, but I would doubt that supernatural ink falls in the catergory of things accelerator doesn't redirect.

As far as I (and his page) remeber all of his name changing hax require that the opponent was hit with such a thing, so it likely won't do the trick.
 
DontTalk said:
Do you mean him?

I will assume so. So this might be a guess, but I would doubt that supernatural ink falls in the catergory of things accelerator doesn't redirect.

As far as I (and his page) remeber all of his name changing hax require that the opponent was hit with such a thing, so it likely won't do the trick.
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That's assuming Accelerator can react and move in time.
 
Accelerator doesn't need to move.

Passive vector shield will reflect anything Ichibei throws at him, as he isn't fast enough to get around it.
 
Promestein said:
Accelerator doesn't need to move.

Passive vector shield will reflect anything Ichibei throws at him, as he isn't fast enough to get around it.
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Accelerator is only High Hypersonic with Massively Hypersonic reactions/close combat speed (he kept up with Gabriel and FUZE=Kazakiri during WWIII) while Ichibei is MHS+ he gets blizt before he can even think, his field is no different from Niazol's who was bypass by Senjumaru's speed. Saying he can block much faster attacks than he's own is a NLF.
 
HokageMangaVox said:
That's assuming Accelerator can react and move in time.
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Vektor shield auto reflects anything up to 2 times the speed of light specifically. (which is noted on his profile)
 
Accelerator's vector shield passively reflects light and gravity, and the only reason he's affected by them is because he lets them through. As DT said, it reflects anything up to two times the speed of light, lightspeed post-headshot, and much higher in his angel forms, I believe.

Ichibei is not getting through that shield.
 
Vektor shield auto reflects anything up to 2 times the speed of light specifically.

Actually his profile says he has to activate it, he gets blitz before he can think. Also, Since it is bound to his calculation speed, attacks that are more than low Faster than light speed can likely pass through without being effected. Because his passive reflection changes just the direction of the attacks, but not their magnitude, one can argue that his reflection is not dependent on the magnitude of the attacks.
 
Promestein said:
Accelerator's vector shield passively reflects light and gravity, and the only reason he's affected by them is because he lets them through. As DT said, it reflects anything up to two times the speed of light, lightspeed post-headshot, and much higher in his angel forms, I believe.

Ichibei is not getting through that shield.
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Characters are not bloodluste, in character he will let them through. He can also use the temple to take the color from within the field, he doesn't need to touch him with anything for this to work.
 
The point I was making is that Accelerator's barrier is fast enough to reflect things travelling at lightspeed, so it's fast enough to reflect Ichibei's attacks. And, as stated on his profile, "Accelerator's passive application of his esper ability. He automatically inverts the direction of any incoming harmful vectors, even if he is unaware of their presence. He must consciously allow things like gravity, sound and light to affect him, but he can shut them off too if he wants it. "
 
He has to activate the shield only for post-headshot base. In pre-headshot base and angle mode (after standard assumptions this battle is in angel mode) it is always activated.
 
Promestein said:
The point I was making is that Accelerator's barrier is fast enough to reflect things travelling at lightspeed, so it's fast enough to reflect Ichibei's attacks. And, as stated on his profile, "Accelerator's passive application of his esper ability. He automatically inverts the direction of any incoming harmful vectors, even if he is unaware of their presence. He must consciously allow things like gravity, sound and light to affect him, but he can shut them off too if he wants it. "
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Inconclusive then, Accelerator can't catch or hit him.

Power Absorption Immunity: The power summoned by Ichimonji can be stolen, but it cannot be used by the assailant or used against Ichibē because he controls all of the color black in the universe; as such, it is simply restored to him, proven when Yhwach's Sankt Altar fails to work against him.
 
Promestein said:
The point I was making is that Accelerator's barrier is fast enough to reflect things travelling at lightspeed, so it's fast enough to reflect Ichibei's attacks. And, as stated on his profile, "Accelerator's passive application of his esper ability. He automatically inverts the direction of any incoming harmful vectors, even if he is unaware of their presence. He must consciously allow things like gravity, sound and light to affect him, but he can shut them off too if he wants it. "
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so can his ability work on Futen Daisatsuryō? since that attack is not an direct attack that he can just Redirection/Reflection but that attack is pretty much take whatever darkness from his opponent body and soul.
 
While he can brush off the ink, if Ichibei Shikais, he can control the black around Accelerator and coat him with it, cutting his power. Then kill him with the Mausoleum. I doubt Accelerator can redirect concepts.
 
Tivanenk said:
While he can brush off the ink, if Ichibei Shikais, he can control the black around Accelerator and coat him with it, cutting his power. Then kill him with the Mausoleum. I doubt Accelerator can redirect concepts.
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Ichibē doesn't have conceptual attacks. Power cutting doesn't work since that would require contact which he can not get, because of the vector shield. Neither does coating accel in darkness do any good, he would just break out of it quite instantly.


Futen Daisatsuryō might work, but it is a slow technique and won't let him play out his speed advantage. While this technique would likely get past accelerators passive refelection (I say likely, because we never actually saw it fully play out, so in the end it is still possible that contact is required) accelerator has two reliable counters against it.

The first one is simply destroying the Mausoleum itself. Accelerator is powerful enough to destroy the structure.

The second is active vector control. Accelerator can take the darkness Ichibē wants to drain from him and forcefully hold it in place. That much is possible through active use of his ability.

So given that accel can defend against this attack just fine, even though not as casually as just standing there, it changes nothing on the outcome.

That said it is not like accelerator is totally on the defensive either. Ichibē has to deal with accels projectiles, which hold the power to kill him, while dodging accel himself so that he doesn't touch him. So if Ichibē gets careless and drops his guard it will end bad for him as well.


So all in all I would go for a draw as well.
 
"The second is active vector control. Accelerator can take the darkness Ichibē wants to drain from him and forcefully hold it in place. That much is possible through active use of his ability."

Explain because:

Power Absorption Immunity: The power summoned by Ichimonji can be stolen, but it cannot be used by the assailant or used against Ichibē because he controls all of the color black in the universe; as such, it is simply restored to him, proven when Yhwach's Sankt Altar fails to work against him.
 
Accelerator isn't stealing his ability he just moves darkness. Saying that the fact that his power can not be stolen means that nobody else can move the darkness would mean that it becomes unblockable since for example a wall could not effect it in its movements.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
Ichibē power allow him to control all darkness, so nobody else can control his power other than himself, I think.
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Again, there is a difference between manipulating the movement of darkness and stealing his power. If nothing else could effect the darkness he controls it would be an all cutting sword since nothing could ever stop a swing of the darkness, since that would mean effecting it in its movement.

Ichibē's power can not be stolen, but aside from that it is basically like water bending just with darkness (and of course the name stuff).
 
DontTalk said:
Not Jim Sterling said:
Ichibē power allow him to control all darkness, so nobody else can control his power other than himself, I think.
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Again, there is a difference between manipulating the movement of darkness and stealing his power. If nothing else could effect the darkness he controls it would be an all cutting sword since nothing could ever stop a swing of the darkness, since that would mean effecting it in its movement.
Ichibē's power can not be stolen, but aside from that it is basically like water bending just with darkness (and of course the name stuff).
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Ichibe's power can be stolen he said so himself, but it cannot be used againt's him. It just returns to him again. Well, none of Yhwach's attacks actually cut his darkness away.
 
Once again, it's not Accelerator is taking his power, he's just directing it away from him.

Besides, ink is a trivial thing for Accelerator to manipulate, and so is light.
 
Light is just moving photons, a particle/wave. Darkness isn't similar to light at all. Black isn't similar to light at all. And Ichibei controls all things black. He has a speed advantage, so he can coat Accelerator in black and rename him ant.
 
Reppuzan said:
Once again, it's not Accelerator is taking his power, he's just directing it away from him.
Besides, ink is a trivial thing for Accelerator to manipulate, and so is light.
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Rogue Cheney(fairy tail) is also can also manipulate darkness, but he has no power over light and the same with Sting Eucliffe.
 
But Accelerator doesn't have darkness or light manipulation exclusive, but vector manipulation.

Ink directed towards him gets thrown back at Ichibei.

Darkness gets pushed back by manipulating nearby photons.
 
The thing is, the color black doesn't have a vector in the first place. It's not even a physical phenomena. It's just a concept that we can see visually, but we can't really touch or interact with the color black itself. We can interact with substances that are black, but not the color. How would Accel use his vector control on something non-physical?
 
He can't control the color black, but he can manipulate how photons are reflected in order to change the color (our perception of color is how light reflects off certain substances and how much is absorbed and how much is reflected). The color black is when every color is absorbed, Accelerator can just set his shield up to reflect all of those types of photons and remain immune to the effects of the color.

Besides, Ichibe explicitly controls his power through ink, so he has to splash Accel with it, something that won't happen.
 
well how he describe his ability was all darkness is pretty much for ichibei to control, so you cant just use his own darkness against him.
 
I never said Accelerator had to use darkness to attack Ichibei, I'm just saying that it's virtually impossible for Ichibei to attack Accelerator through that darkness ability every keeps tooting.

Remember the context of the Power Absorption Immunity, Ichibei can't have his power taken from him, as in having his ability to use darkness be taken away. No one ever said that his darkness couldn't be used against him.
 
That won't work, Reppuzan. You don't understand how colors work. If he'll reflect photons, he'll just increase the color black around him (because darkness also includes black).

And even if it did, he'd be coated way before that happens.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
so can his ability work on Futen Daisatsuryō? since that attack is not an direct attack that he can just Redirection/Reflection but that attack is pretty much take whatever darkness from his opponent body and soul.
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Then how about this?
 
reading this thread made me sigh.

Accelerator wins or draws here. Ichibei can't hit him. ichibei can make it inconclusive by superior speed staying out of range or running away. if he stays too close and he risks his body being manipulated at a distance

similiarly if he goes for a physical close combat move first it won't end well for him either.
 
LordAizenSama said:
reading this thread made me sigh.
Accelerator wins or draws here. Ichibei can't hit him. ichibei can make it inconclusive by superior speed staying out of range or running away. if he stays too close and he risks his body being manipulated at a distance

similiarly if he goes for a physical close combat move first it won't end well for him either.
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Why can't he control black to coat Accelerator and rename Accel?
 
Because the ink will simply fly back at Ichibei due to Accelerator's vector control which is automatic and works at least twice the speed of light.

Besides, you're the one who doesn't understand how color works. Black (Darkness) is formed when photons are all absorbed by an object. Accelerator can simply manipulate how the photons reflect off objects (which creates our perception of color) to create blue, green, red, or yellow instead.
 
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