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The Pokedex cannot be taken seriously.

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Kyle_Ramos

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https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2556327#80 This thread got a bit out of hand once i brought up the fact that the pokedex is indeed written by the 10 year old MCs of the Pokemon game verse. In the anime, it is flat out shown that the descriptions for all the pokemon are already there before Ash did anything with it, so for the sake of the anime, they should be taken seriously, but, for the gameverse, i will cast some doubt on that assumption.

1.-Oak literally tells Red that he needs to id the Pokemon for him. After player and rival received the Pokedex: "To make a complete guide on all the Pokémon in the world… That was my dream! But, I'm too old! I can't do it! So, I want you two to fulfill my dream for me! Get moving, you two! This is a great undertaking in Pokémon history!" Aka, Oak did NOT make the descriptions from GEN 1. He did not MAKE the complete guide for all pokemon in the world (Or the 150 OG Kanto pkmn.), and the entries got written by Red.

2.-Various statements are hyperboles and are impossible for any (unseen) team of investigators to test or confirm. https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/when-can-the-pokedex-be-taken-seriously.70612/

Obvious examples include Deoxys, Arceus, Gardevoir, Dusknoir, etc. Which are beyond human knowledge, even by a team of scientists.

3.-Differences between regions. As you know, the pokedex has various DIFFERENT entries for each pokemon. Which makes no sense if the entries were written by a group of researchers that somehow tested every single one of the descriptions for it to be legit.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mewtwo_(Pokémon)

This would only make sense if they were written by diffeerent peeople, and in this scenario, the only ones that could have are the imaginative 10 year old MCs of each region. As i've proven above.

If you want to debunk this explain - 1.-Why would Oak tell this to Red and all if HE (or a team of researches) aparently already did all of the pokedex descriptions

2.-Who are the unseen researchers. A quote saying "I worked on the pokedex descriptions" is enough.

3.-Explain the differences between the descriptions.

4.-Any statement from the developers that state the pokedex should be taken as word of god.

If you cannot do this, then it is flat out proven that the pokedex cannot be taken seriously.
 
1) This does not mean these 10 year olds (not all are 10 in the first place) made the Pokedex. There are blatant quotes that note the information is process automatically that you have ignored.

Ah, <rival>, good timing! I needed to ask both of you to do something for me. On the desk there is my invention, Pokédex! It automatically records data on Pokémon you've seen or caught! It's a hi-tech encyclopedia! <player> and <rival>! Take these with you!
"Oh, right! I have a request for you two. On the desk there is my invention, the Pokédex! It automatically records data on Pokémon you've seen or caught. It's a high-tech encyclopedia! <player> and <rival>. Take these with you. You can't get detailed data on Pokémon by just seeing them. You must catch them to obtain complete data. So, here are some tools for catching wild Pokémon. When a wild Pokémon appears, it's fair game. Just throw a Poké Ball at it and try to catch it! This won't always work, however. A healthy Pokémon can escape. You have to be lucky! To make a complete guide on all the Pokémon in the world… That was my dream! But, I'm too old! I can't get the job done. So, I want you two to fulfill my dream for me. Get moving, you two. This is a great undertaking in Pokémon history!
"And with that... I'm Professor Oak, a Pokémon researcher! So you're <player>! I was just visiting my friend Mr. Pokémon. I heard you were running an errand for Professor Elm, so I waited here. Oh! What's this? A rare Pokémon! I see! You must be helping Professor Elm's research! I think I understand why Professor Elm gave you that Pokémon. You will treat your Pokémon with love and care, it seems. ...Ah! You seem to be dependable. How would you like to help me out? See? This is the latest version of the Pokédex. It automatically records data on Pokémon you've seen or caught. It's a high-tech encyclopedia! I'd like you to have it. Go meet many kinds of Pokémon and complete that Pokédex! But I've stayed too long. I have to get to Goldenrod for my usual radio show. <player>, I have a feeling that is not the last time we'll meet... Let's exchange numbers just to be on the safe side."
"Aha! So you're <player>! I'm Oak! A Pokémon researcher. I was just visiting my old friend Mr.Pokémon. I heard you were running an errand for Prof.Elm, so I waited here. Oh! What's this? A rare Pokémon! Let's see… Hm, I see! I understand why Prof.Elm gave you a Pokémon for this errand. To researchers like Prof.Elm and I, Pokémon are our friends. He saw that you would treat your Pokémon with love and care. …Ah! You seem to be dependable. How would you like to help me out? See? This is the latest version of Pokédex. It automatically records data on Pokémon you've seen or caught. It's a hi-tech encyclopedia! Go meet many kinds of Pokémon and complete that Pokédex! But I've stayed too long. I have to get to Goldenrod for my usual radio show. <player>, I'm counting on you!"
"A Pokédex is a real high-tech kinda tool, yeah, that can automatically record facts about any Pokémon that you meet. Your new partner <starter Pokémon> is already registered, oh yeah, so check it out!"
I could go on. Either way, this headcanon that the Pokedex is written by 10 year olds is proven false by the series itself.

2) You are also ignoring the concept of lore here. And you also have to remember that Pokemon's World has extremely advanced technology, as such finding this information is not hard. Also, just because some information is hyperbole =/= all information is hyperbole. And not knowing every researcher's name is not needed. Just the fact that there are researchers is more than enough. Nitpicking details and evidence doesn't change this.

3) Different Pokemon behavior in different regions. Just like animals from one region don't act like animals from another. Simple as that. Also, different regions can capture different events and there are blatantly more than one Mewtwo. This is shown in game and in the anime.

4) But we don't take it as Word of God. If contradicted, it is not accepted. Simple as that. It's a good method of finding feats and lore, but obviously not every single entry is 100% legit. That's common sense.
 
While not all Pokédex entries are false, stuff like "Kadabra is an extrasensory boy" is obviously completely untrue, and just urban legends included in by incompetent and superstitious researchers.
 
Kepekley23 said:
While not all Pokédex entries are false, stuff like "Kadabra is an extrasensory boy" is obviously blatantly and completely untrue, and just urban legends taken out of control.
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I agree with this. This is obviously an urban legend and iirc the Pokedex labels it as so doesn't it?

Off to Gaggle real quick.
 
According to my Google Search

Emerald basically labels it as a rumor.

It is rumored that a boy with psychic abilities suddenly transformed into Kadabra while he was assisting research into extrasensory powers.
Firered is the example Kep said above.

It happened one morning - a boy with extrasensory powers awoke in bed transformed into Kadabra.
 
As a general rule, I think especially creepy ghost-type Pokémon entries shouldn't be taken seriously. It is stated many times that these Pokémon are victims of superstition and fearmongering due to some people being unaware of their nature. They are actually just attracted to places where death tends to happen.

For example, Shedinja won't steal your soul if you peer into its back, nor does Gengar steal people's lives, nor do Chandelure and Litwick consume souls with its fire. Drifloon doesn't kidnap children either.

Those are all pretty blatant urban legends.
 
Also, don't trust seemingly normal feats. They tend to end up being quintillions of times higher than baseline 3-A.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Also, don't trust seemingly normal feats. They tend to end up being quintillions of times higher than baseline 3-A.
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Sounds like somebody can't handle the fact that Lanturn solos Toei Dragon Ball and God of War.
 
Kepekley23 said:
nor does Gengar steal people's lives, nor do Chandelure and Litwick consume souls with its fire. Drifloon doesn't kidnap children either.
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I'm quite sure he does something like that in the manga, Litwick explicitly does that in the anime and Drifloon is confirmed to do that in USUM's school side quest. It's pretty funny that you got exactly some of the only confirmed ones ovo
 
Sounds like somebody can't handle the fact that Lanturn solos Toei Dragon Ball and God of War.

Lanturn can't kill anyone who is a god in GoW due to sorely lacking hax and their tier 6 forms being only their avatars, so no.
 
I'm quite sure he does something like that in the manga, Litwick explicitly does that in the anime and Drifloon is confirmed to do that in USUM's school side quest. It's pretty funny that you got exactly some of the only confirmed ones ovo

When did the latter two happen?
 
Litwick has his own episode in the anime. Just a quick google research and you should find it.

In USUM's "7 misteries at the Pokémon school" quest, a Hypno mentions that a Drifloon kidnapped several children.
 
For the sake of taking into consideration uninformed people that may believe this headcanon, we could make a profile for the Pokedex, add all the evidence there, and link it every time it's mentioned. It would be unharmful.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
>When something gets refuted so hard that everyone derails because there's no point discussing anymore.
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I was busy. And drop the smartass attitude. There are several points that have not been debunked yet. Like the developers saying it should be taken as word of god or why there are several different descriptions. And no NPCs saying they worked on the pokedex entries have been posted.
 
It automatically records data on Pokémon you've seen or caught

The automatic part should kinda hint to why NPC don't say that much.
 
I object to that. If the dex recorded data automatically, why would there be different descriptions? That is a blatant contradiction and must be adressed.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
According to my Google Search

Emerald basically labels it as a rumor.
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You said it yourself. One description is saying its a rumor, and the other one is claiming it to be a fact.

The dex should not be used for profiles.
 
Once again, your assuming other regions cannot report different findings to another nor fthat Pokemon can act differently than others from another area. There is no contradiction, it's just you trying to make up one. Not all Pokemon, even of the same species act alike.
 
Because theirs more to each species than a single, not-even-a-paragraph long description. If you were to scan the info of one person, it would not even be remotely applicable for the entire human race.
 
Kyle Ramos said:
Dragonmasterxyz said:
According to my Google Search
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You said it yourself. One description is saying its a rumor, and the other one is claiming it to be a fact.

The dex should not be used for profiles.
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So apparently one rumor in the Pokedex invalidates the entire thing. One rumor =/= All are rumors.
 
The Pokedex is valid imo, unless it's statements get contradicted. Like Macargo walking around with the heat of the sun on it's back. If that was true the planet would be dead.
 
Gravity is a rumor in one region and in other one, its a fact. In one reegion, water is wet, and in another region, water is not. In one region, Red is red, in other region red is blue.

Sorry, if that is the case, then none of what it says can be used as "universal fact"
 
Kyle Ramos said:
Gravity is a rumor in one region and in other one, its a fact.
In one reegion, water is wet, and in another region, water is not. In one region, Red is red, in other region red is blue.

Sorry, if that is the case, then none of what it says can be used as "universal fact"
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These are horrible examples. Other than Kadabra and possible a couple others, these aren't as insane as you say.

Excepts certain parts can be fact? Not all are fact, but there is a thing called evaluation. One bad entry =/= all entries are bad. You can't seem to grasp this and just want to ignore it all together which is not going to happen.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
The Pokedex is valid imo, unless it's statements get contradicted. Like Macargo walking around with the heat of the sun on it's back. If that was true the planet would be dead.
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The Pokédex only implies that Magcargo's core/heart is that hot, not his entire body.
 
Kyle Ramos said:
The pokedex is written by the MCs, and no amount of J.Jonah Jameson memes are going to change that.
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I have read this entire thread, and this is literally the only way to respond.

Spiderman meme - you serious
You are so absolutely convinced about this headcanon of yours, that you're ignoring blatant quotes from the games themselves, and you're trying to make irregularities in the Pokedex into the rule, even though they're the exception to it.
I honestly don't think I can help you. Sorry.
 
I do agree with the latter, posting memes is unnecessary and rather rude.

As for the former, at this point, we may just have to agree to disagree. We're still counting the majority of Pokedex entries as valid outside of ones that obviously are not. Unless theirs some glaring, obvious thing that disproves them, we probably wont stop anytime soon.
 
Well, as ive shown on the OP, the pokedex should be a secondary source of info at best, since there is no explanation of how those entries are made and why they are differemt in different regions.

And some entries even contradict one another. So, just take it in mind that there is indeed some issues with trusting the dex entirely.
 
Let's compare this with IRL science. One scientist says the Earth is flat. It's obvious that it's not and other scientists refute this. Going by your logic, we should refute literally the entirety of the scientific community.
 
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