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Bill Cipher Dreamscape Key and Other Upgrades

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In his dreamscape interaction, Bill is described by Stanford as a being from a higher plane of reality and is stated to be unbound from time. He states to be slightly stronger than The Time Baby. Bill would at High Universe level.

So, if Bill Cipher's getting physical form makes him Higher-D, like the 3-D being arguments,then Bill would be 4-D at Full Power.

Also, the stonewall, that Bill Cipher is, would make resolved if the upgrades applied.

So Bill would the Dreamscape High 3-A key.

So, Bill would have for Full Power: Higher-Dimensional Existence, a durability upgrade, and Type 4 Acausality maybe.

for Nonexistent Physiology: https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=183 and https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=200

Void Manipulation: Shown in the Dreamscape: https://youtu.be/fZ8UCQt7tvA?t=1458

Evidence of Solid 2-A key for full power Bill Cipher: Fought against the Shacktron, who has Everywhere666 and the portal can tear the universe apart
 
Yep and Time Baby is rated at High 3-A from scaling anyway.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Bill Cipher's physical form is him going from 2D to 3D.
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It is never stated, It is just a lot people who believe it and their believes does not not make it true.
 
The Higher Plane is the nightmare realm, and he resided there when he was 2D as well.

Unless you say he is already higher-dimensional when in mindscaper form, this doesn't aply. There is also a fact that normal people can end up eating planets around there, so giving a tier based on what happens and goes on in there is a rather bad idea.

Being unbound by time is not an AP feat.
 
Sure...

Which is why his attack potency says "at least High Universe level"

If you are suggesting to make him High 3-A without a manifestation, then I have to question you watching the show.
 
In what world is he High 3-A?

Like, do you realize that that version of him is incapable of even interacting with reality properly?

How is him being strong enough to crush everything and everyone at all times not contradictory to the main canon? Why do you think he needed Dipper's body to destroy the computer?
 
Nonexistent Physiology exists and its limitation is they may be unable to interact with reality. Bill described that beeen in the mindscape as been non-existent until possession. It would not be inaccurate.
 
Yes it is. If you are unable to interact with reality, then you don't get a tier saying otherwise, much like Classmate-ku

If you are physically unable to interact with anything, you can't just get AP saying that you can. Monika can't slap you, but she still has ways to obtain that level of destruction.


He is plain unable to affect reality in any meaningful way, and giving a tier made on a statement by himself when nothing even close to it is shown is far from acceptable.
 
So, Bill would have for Full Power: Higher-Dimensional Existence, a durability upgrade, and Type 4 Acausality maybe.

Only type 4 from here, that's it.

for Nonexistent Physiology: https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=183 and https://youtu.be/BIxGnernDM0?t=200

...Did you watch the whole episode? They quiet blatantly exist.

Evidence of Solid 2-A key for full power Bill Cipher: Fought against the Shacktron, who has

Are you in any way implying that the shacktron is 2-A? Because of a portal?


Pretty much everything in here takess stuff out of context to make it seem more impressive then it is. Nonexistence despite them blatantly existing, as shown with the puppets for exemple. Or voidmanipulation based on what is a mix between dream and mind manipulation. Or 2-A for a portal.
 
Well, might want to explain why zach, because I gave reasonings why they aren't:

2-A is a portal to other worlds, saying it has the AP to destroy them all is baseless.

Void Manipulation is the manipulation of a dreamscape, nothing more.

Higher-D relies on Bill being High 3-A while in dreamscaper.
 
Yeah, because the shackron totally scales to it in power...


Again, I ask you, did you watch that fight? And the portal would only destroy it by malfunctioning.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yeah, because the shackron totally scales to it in power...

Again, I ask you, did you watch that fight? And the portal would only destroy it by malfunctioning.
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Ockham razor, so the shackron is less likely to be PIS, Bill Cipher is rated at High 3-A AP and over, and with the fact scans prove it can destroyed a universe. BilI being capable to be harm by something with at best is believe to be currently 8-B or 8-A is PIS. We already got evidences that Portal has AP nonetheless and malfunctioned doesn't mean it was not power source. Even at worse, it fodderize Bill's Friends who are At least: 5-B.
 
Ockham's Razor doesn't work like that, no. The shacktron being infinitely stronger than anything humanity has ever made due to being powered by a portal that can cause universal destruction by malfunctioning is not less presumptuous then the fight being Pis like 99% of everything else that goes on in those episodes.

It can destroy the universe due to connecting it with stuff like the nightmare realm, not by creating an explosion, and even then we do not scale the AP of a vehicle or even mecha to it's powersource, because that isn't how that works.

Bill's Friends are only at least 5-B while they are planet sized, so that is a no as well.
 
And what about all the other stuff that you ignored there? We don't scale the shacktron to it's powersource, nor is it realistic to do so with what it's components are. The portal isn't even the powersource.

Throwing the four legged bread took more energy that they could muster without the popstars speeding up.
 
>>we do not scale the AP of a vehicle or even mecha to its powersource, because that isn't how that works.

I am not sure if mecha = vehicles in fictions.

In fictions, the AP of mecha most of the time scale to its power source or energy source.
 
By what logic? If it scaled to their powersource they would run out of battery right away.


And again, the powersource is a bunch of hot teens running.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Bill Cipher's physical form is him going from 2D to 3D.
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He literally liberated his dimension when he destroyed it

https://youtu.be/uACXciJccqE?t=11 He destroyed the second dimension 1 trillion years ago. Any time when Bill is referring to how Bill is 2D, it was literally over one trillion years ago when he didn't liberate himself from the second dimension. Also, Bill is still described as a higher dimensional figure, so 1D Stanford I guess.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Yes it is. If you are unable to interact with reality, then you don't get a tier saying otherwise, much like Classmate-ku
If you are physically unable to interact with anything, you can't just get AP saying that you can. Monika can't slap you, but she still has ways to obtain that level of destruction.


He is plain unable to affect reality in any meaningful way, and giving a tier made on a statement by himself when nothing even close to it is shown is far from acceptable.
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Except even Stanford called himself a being from a higher plane of reality, it's not just Bill stating that he's unbound by time that would warrant that feat. "Monika can't slap you, but she still has ways to obtain that level of destruction" Last I checked Monika has never been stated to affect the real world in the Doki Doki Game. It's just simple to say that given Bill has Non-Corporeality (Which is the same thing as physical non-existence basically), then he can't affect reality, it's not evidence to suggest that Bill is 2D.
 
Him libarating the dimension did not make him 3D, let alone 4D. He specifically needed to make that jump, being unable to even affect reality in a meaningful manner before that.

Stanford refers to him coming from a higher dimension, which I already explained above.

The doki doki game is an actual reality, with there being an actual reality within it. And if he is physically unbale to interact with anything, you cannot give him AP based on that level.


Seriously, did you guys miss the part where sford explains that he needs to get the portal off to be able to do what he can within minds?
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Him libarating the dimension did not make him 3D, let alone 4D. He specifically needed to make that jump, being unable to even affect reality in a meaningful manner before that.
Stanford refers to him coming from a higher dimension, which I already explained above.

The doki doki game is an actual reality, with there being an actual reality within it. And if he is physically unbale to interact with anything, you cannot give him AP based on that level.


Seriously, did you guys miss the part where sford explains that he needs to get the portal off to be able to do what he can within minds?
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"Him libarating the dimension did not make him 3D, let alone 4D. He specifically needed to make that jump, being unable to even affect reality in a meaningful manner before that." >You're implying that Dreamscape Bill was pre-liberation Bill, but that's not true. Bill Cipher destroyed the second dimension and thus liberated it, then went to the Nightmare Realm as a hideout for him and his cronies. Because he lacks a physical form in the Nightmare Realm, he can only project himself into our thoughts through the Mindscape. So, no, Pre-Liberation Bill isn't Nightmare Realm Bill or Dreamscape Bill I'll respond to more stuff later
 
Agreeing with Void Manipulation, Acausality type 4(and maybe 1, but that's just my opinion) and Higher-D

Regarding his speed, he should have Immesurable in his restricted form and full power due to being unbounded by time
 
"Stanford refers to him coming from a higher dimension, which I already explained above"

You then state that nightmare realm feats are invalid because normal humans can eat planets there. Except, Stanford was referring to the general multiverse when he said that, not the Nightmare Realm. Also, Bill never explained that he was from the nightmare realm.

"The doki doki game is an actual reality, with there being an actual reality within it. And if he is physically unbale to interact with anything, you cannot give him AP based on that level."

You're acting as if we are giving Bill High 3-A AP because he can't interact with anything, which we are not. It's a general weakness of Non-existent physiology beings to not be able to interact with reality. So, are you saying that the weaknesses in the profile of Non-Existent Physiology only apply to 2D beings? Also, Bill can only go to reality through the mindscape, which means he can only go to reality on a mental level, it's a weakness of traveling through the *mindscape*.

"Seriously, did you guys miss the part where sford explains that he needs to get the portal off to be able to do what he can within minds?"

So, are you saying that Stanford explains that he needs to turn the portal off in order for Bill to do what he can with minds or are you saying that Stanford Explains that he needs to get the portal up and running in order to do what Bill can with minds? I would like elaboration. Either way, Bill doesn't need the portal to do what he can with minds. Bill was capable of mentally affecting Stanley before the portal was turned on.
 
That doesn't make using feats from there any better. The nightmare realm is outside of reality as is, and reality varies far too much across the multiverse to tier properly.

If someone's nonexistence entails not being able to interact with reality, you cannot give them AP based on that. It's why someone like Classmate-kun is Unknown, because he litirally cannot change anything, be it 2-A or 11-C. A tier is based on what you attack potency, if you cannot attack anything 3-D and above, you cannot have an AP on 3-D or above level.

Mentally affecting beings doesn't remotly matter for ap or dimensionality. It's what Hax is about.
 
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