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Portgas D. Ace vs Natsu Dragneel

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Personally I think Ace will just beat him up with his Bare hands,He did pretty well Against blackbeard in Hand to Hand, as noted by BlackBeards men that he has your expected combat prowess as a Division Commander of WhiteBeard. Also remember he has Haki, so precog and enhanced punches/defenses, He has good abilities and fighting strengths outside his devil fruits power so I Think Ace wins.
 
LordAizenSama said:
Personally I think Ace will just beat him up with his Bare hands,He did pretty well Against blackbeard in Hand to Hand, as noted by BlackBeards men that he has your expected combat prowess as a Division Commander of WhiteBeard. Also remember he has Haki, so precog and enhanced punches/defenses, He has good abilities and fighting strengths outside his devil fruits power so I Think Ace wins.
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Well ace can use haki but i don't remember him to show or use haki as good as other expert haki user since fighting Hand to Hand combat with blackbeard before he got gura2 no mi is not that impressive since blackbeard will take more damage to his body, and i dont even remember him to ever use or show that he can use Kenbunshoku Haki.

So i think natsu will win this fight.
 
natsu wins, all of aces flames will be absorbed and i cant remember seeing him showing good feats without his DF-powers, he is surely good at fighting but i dont remember how good, Blackbeard nearly broke his neck with a single hit, so im not that convinced about his hand2hand abilitys...

my vote goes to natsu 96/100 times ^_^
 
Dragneel he can just eat all of Ace's flames and pummel him in LFD mode if normal fire doesn't work and I don't think Ace is as good at Haki as others and depends too much on his DF
 
Ace has knowledge of haki.

His flames would be useless agaisnt Natsu, but that's the same vice-versa. Even if Natsu managed to eat part of Ace, Ace's logia Regenerationn would come into play and he'd fight differently. If he has knowledge of armament haki (high chance since it is known that he can use haki, but has shown no use of Observation haki), it CAN cancel out his flame-like body and allow him to pummel Natsu with his fists, but that is assuming he can use armament.

This would honestly be a stalemate. If speed is allowed to be normal, Ace would win high-difficulty.
 
Hfhfdgdg said:
Ace has knowledge of haki.
His flames would be useless agaisnt Natsu, but that's the same vice-versa. Even if Natsu managed to eat part of Ace, Ace's logia Regenerationn would come into play and he'd fight differently. If he has knowledge of armament haki (high chance since it is known that he can use haki, but has shown no use of Observation haki), it CAN cancel out his flame-like body and allow him to pummel Natsu with his fists, but that is assuming he can use armament.

This would honestly be a stalemate. If speed is allowed to be normal, Ace would win high-difficulty.
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ace has never show any good feats with his armament haki, and in case you forgot natsu can use lightning as well.
 
how much would it hurt Ace when the flames are fairly useless? They'd have literally no effective way of killing eachother without environmental support.
 
Hfhfdgdg said:
how much would it hurt Ace when the flames are fairly useless? They'd have literally no effective way of killing eachother without environmental support.
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Natsu still can just eat all of ace flames, since there are limits of how much flames he can produce.
 
Basically in this fight natsu has a way to just getting stronger and stronger while ace will just getting weaker and weaker until he runs out of stamina and probably collapse on his own.
 
So do you guys seriously think Ace is going to keep using flames after seeing that Natsu can just eat it? .-.

Ace does have a machete, he could always use that :V
 
^i dont remember any fats that overcome natsus if ace isnt using his DF-powers, so by feats he is weaker :(
 
Pocket-Chu said:
So do you guys seriously think Ace is going to keep using flames after seeing that Natsu can just eat it? .-.
Ace does have a machete, he could always use that :V
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So do you guys seriously think ace can wins without his flames? when ace has ever show wins against a strong character in one piece without using his flames?

natsu just going to melt and eat that machete :V, I remember he has done that before :V
 
Oh my god, I FORGOT ABOUT ACE'S WEAPON! Ace can use that as a last resort since his logia powers would be useless and his physical capabilities would likely be on par with Natsu's own. His haki-infused knife should be able to make this into a stalemate.

@Not Jim Sterling - Ace can still cancel out Natsu's flames.

Still, Ace wins when Speed is normal.
 
Hfhfdgdg said:
Oh my god, I FORGOT ABOUT ACE'S WEAPON! Ace can use that as a last resort since his logia powers would be useless and his physical capabilities would likely be on par with Natsu's own. His haki-infused knife should be able to make this into a stalemate.
@Not Jim Sterling - Ace can still cancel out Natsu's flames.

Still, Ace wins when Speed is normal.
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No, i already say natsu can melt and eat ace weapon(i'm not kidding he has done that before)

cancel like what? are you say that logia user is now has the ability to manipulate fire that is come not from them? and are you forget that dragon flames is more superior to normal flames?
 
i'm going to wait for a few hours more, if there are no new argument to be made then i going to request this to be add as natsu victory.
 
so next time rather telling you guys, i'm just going to request victory without any of you notice, and let's see if that can make me not arrogant as well as childish...LOL..
 
LordAizenSama said:
Read this, seven is the number of people agreeing you need.
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well thank you and alternatively he can just telling me rather than insult me for no apparent reason, at least im telling him what im gonna do for the next couple of hours.

anyway let's stop talking about this and back to the main topic.
 
In Fire Dragon King mode, Natsu easily win this one. He damage even Immortal Zeref and possible kill him. But Ace couldn't use his fruit vs Natsu, your all know why. He simpli eat Ace. And of course he is phiscally stronger
 
lets me guess who is the ones who doesn't agree
- Pocket-Chu: doesn't counter my argument anymore, so i think he already agree
- LordAizenSama: doesn't counter my argument anymore, same
- Hfhfdgdg: you say Because Ace is limited to plain flames. Okay~
so? which one of them that still trying to argue with me?
and also I say let's stop talking about this and back to the main topic, so now who is troling who?
 
Actually, IMO Natsu can't damage Ace and it seems that Ace can't damage Natsu, so I guess it's a stalemate then.
 
Eh, I didn't counter anything because I forgot about this thread :S but reading the comments I think Stalemate is likely
 
Pocket-Chu said:
Actually, IMO Natsu can't damage Ace and it seems that Ace can't damage Natsu, so I guess it's a stalemate then.
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I mean if ace just try to transformed into flame then natsu just going to eat him so how natsu cant damage ace? and come on, this time don't just stay silent and let your opponent just guessing so say something.

and aizen lol..
 
Well....Natsu would have to keep eating Ace for ever then, seeing as whatever fire gets eaten will just get replaced by more fire, also how do we know that Ace can't just reform inside Natsu which would mean Natsu would pretty much be dead.
 
Not Jim Sterling said:
Basically in this fight natsu has a way to just getting stronger and stronger while ace will just getting weaker and weaker until he runs out of stamina and probably collapse on his own.
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i already answered that question, and what make you think that natsu to cant just eat ace entirely?

and if natsu can even eat all type of flame even the one that designed to kill god?
 
also i'm just thinking about this, there are limits of how much heat ace can take and if ace just continue to power up natsu then at one time natsu probably can even gather enough flame to just burn ace.
 
LordAizenSama said:
and why would you assume natsu doesn't have a limit to eating flames?
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because he has never show or not yet show his limits and flame that can even burn a flame is indeed exist in fairy tail verse, and He can even eat flame that is superior to his own flame.
 
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