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Toeiverse/GT Goku Revisions Part 2

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FanofRPGs said this:

"1. Movies will not count, not even the Garlic Jr movie, because Toriyama says each one takes place in their own "dimensions" in some interview

2. Boohan's Vice Shout is actually a quantifiable energy feat, because it is stated to be of the same nature of Boo's whole screaming ability which is stated to be from his own brute power in the Daizenshuus. The feat is technically calculable using the worm hole metric (real thing, search it up) and the nature of the hole in dimensions which Boo creates fits the descriptions of a worm hole. The one he did in the time chamber is 4-B, so this one is likely 3-B or so. The problem is that the math required for the wormhole metric is that it required knowledge of 4-D polar equations, schwarzchild mechanics, and Stokes theorem, which are third semester calculus level topics.

3. Ignore the calc for Goku shaking the afterlife and take the feat at face value. Nevermind the fact that your AP scale requirements for 4-A and up is absurdedly stringent, inflated, and is the equivalent of asking for the atomization values for the Sun to be the benchmark of 4-C, the calc assumes a low end conservative number (the Observable Universe) and to get a blatant high end 3-B feat (which it is, take it from a guy going through the motions who is gonna be a physics major) and try to quantify it to merely galaxy level is absurd. Goku would be 3-B for shaking the afterlife. For the record, here is a 1-foe explosion M82-SN-panel-Guido

This.

Now imagine that times 200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

4. The Cooler feat should not be using Sun's GBE + Inverse Square Law, use a formula pertaining to the energy of a solar flare and ISL off of that. It would be a lot more accurate as the Sun was not destroyed, and using it's GBE implies it was destroyed

5. If he doesn't already, give adaptation to SSJ4 Goku

6. Include the feat of base Vegetto pushing off Boo's attack which was equal to the energy of every planet and star he has destroyed over the eons, which would include all the galaxies he had erased over time, go off at once. That is a 3-C/3-B feat I would assume, as that would include the black holes at the center of the galaxy."

They also said this: "I will get to SSJ's multiplier next, because that's a whole new can of worms I think I can solve out."

Don't hurt me pls I'm just a messenger aaa
 
@Fan
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That's english dub only if I didn't miss anything, I do tend to skim over certain things. I'm not sure on the rules of Dub only lines though.

Here's the transcript if there is that line. It is based on the original Japanese from what it seems.

He also says "Everytime I have destroyed a planet, I have taken a piece of its energy with me. This orb is the culmination of eons of destruction" in the English Dub, which could be Multi-Solar System level since we only ever see him destroy 1 galaxy and an unknown number of planets, but a supporting feat nonetheless.

@Everyone
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What's the rule for English Dub only lines.

Also, here's the Universe statement since it's in the same episode.
 
@ByAsura

Fan concedes, he didn't think it being a dub line was even possible, but he asserts the vice shout is fully calculable, just too hard for even him to do as the math is calculus 3 level.
 
Fan says wormhole metric is based on a hole in space-time between two spatial or temporal sheets and a big enough hole can lead to god knows what pouring or simply the universe collapsing and it's word for word identical to how wormholes work, then he gave me this:

Rosenbridge

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Wormholes-9-638

and said the feat is is calculuable, basically put it through stokes theorem to get an unintegrated version of the formula and solve/rewrite the formula to find energy instead but the problem it's that it's too hard for him to do.
 
@Alex Interesting. There probably isn't enough detail in the show to do the calc regardless (unless you use an Eng. Dub only line), but I'm not sure because some of that stuff might as well be another language to me.
 
So Toei High Tier Buu Arc and the Majority of GT become 3-C/Galaxy level, with the High Tiers of GT becoming 3-B/Multi-Galaxy level? I can agree with that
 
We have to decide what the SS1 multiplier is. The 3-C universe shaking recalc is 191 Zettatons which is roughly 45x away from baseline 3-B. And GT Base Goku scales to characters that are stronger than this feat. So if the SS1 multiplier is at least 40x than anybody who scales to Baby Saga GT SS1 Goku is 3-C+ and borderlines 3-B. If it's 50x than anybody who scales to Baby Saga GT SS1 Goku is slightly above baseline 3-B.
 
Yeah, SSJ>Kaioken x20 for sure


Nice, the Majority of GT might get 3-B, but I'd be fine with characters such as Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Eis, Nuova, SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta, Syn, Omega and SSJ4 Gogeta etc just getting 3-B, so I'm fine with either result
 
I doubt it's going to be lower than 40x though. As SS1 Goku was stronger than 100% Frieza who should be twice as strong as 50% Frieza who is comparable to KKx20 Goku. So at minimum I could see the SS1 multiplier being over 40x so maybe a 41x multiplier. Although I think the canon multiplier of 50x is consistent and should be used.

Well either way even if the SS1 multiplier is only over 40x majority of the characters are becoming 3-B because of how ridiculously close to 3-B they are. Anybody who beats Baby Saga GT SS1 Goku or makes him go SS2 would be 3-B.

Over 100x for SS1 in the Toeiverse is way too big though.
 
I agree, I stick with 50x Base for SSJ myself, but like you said, even if its like 40x, anyone above GT SSJ Goku is getting 3-B, so GT SSJ3 Goku, Majuub, All forms of Baby Vegeta, Super 17, Eis, Nuova, Syn, Omega, all 3 SSJ4's etc
 
I don't agree with using the multipliers, except maybe the x20 for lowball sake. They are genuinely inconsistent as heck, to the point that (something Kep brought in the other thread) in GT the SS is only like a x2 (which is obviously bs, but that's precisely the point).

Everything else I agree.
 
So anyways here's my list for the GT revision if the SS1 multiplier is at least 40x. Here's the feat the low end of 191 ZettaFoe was accepted so they are roughly 45x away from baseline 3-B.

Possibly 3-C: Super Mega Cannon Sigma and Super Saiyan GT Trunks

3-C: Baby Saga Base Goku, Baby Saga Base Vegeta, Uub, Ledgic, Base General Rilldo, and Oceanus Shenron

At least 3-C: Infant and Teen Baby, Hyper-Meta Rilldo, Super 17 Saga Base Goku, Super 17 Saga Base Vegeta, and Shell Form Nuova Shenron

3-C+: Baby Saga SS1 Goku, Baby Saga SS1 Vegeta, and Meta Rilldo

3-B: Baby Saga SS2-SS4 Goku, Baby Saga SS2 Vegeta, Super 17 Saga SS1-SS4 Goku, Super 17 Saga SS1-SS2 Vegeta, SS4 Vegeta, Majuub, Adult Baby, Baby Vegeta, Golden Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Ultimate Shenron, Eis Shenron, True Form Nuova Shenron, Syn Shenron, Fusion Reborn Gogeta, and Base Goku Dragon Fist

At least 3-B: Omega Shenron, Dragon Ball GT Gogeta, SS4 Goku Dragon Fist, and Universal Spirit Bomb
 
The Super Mega Cannon Sigma was defeated like nothing by an ultra suppressed Goku.

Also, what's the reason for the + signs?
 
I still don't agree altogether with 3-B so many GT characters, at best Gogeta and Omega Shenron sound good to me, but that's not really too important to me.

Super Saiyan base obviously is more powerful than 50x later on. SSJ Grade 2 is a pretty hefty power boost, even if hard to assess, yet MSSJ clearly surpass it to me (hard to account because base form power up, but I am sure it's made obvious that the improvement goes beyond stamina issues). Plus the whole Toriyama statement that SSJ can surpass 2 and 3 if properly mastered, as those are just pumped up forms.

That doesn't change the fact that this supposed surpassing is never shown, be it plot, Goku not caring to master the form or Toei disregarding that. And even if the individual forms fluctuate in power as MSSJ and Trunks' SSJ2 show, we have no actual way to ascertain how much the multiplier grows.

So we stick with the accepted 50x as it's the only time the numbers line up very consistently and make sense.
 
ByAsura said:
The Super Mega Cannon Sigma was defeated like nothing by an ultra suppressed Goku.
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The profile says he's able to injure Baby Saga Base Goku who's roughly 18x baseline 3-C so that should still be 3-C regardless.
 
@LSirLancelotDuLaci My list is if SS1 is just a 40x multiplier. The official 50x has some controversy so I didn't use it. If I did use it than everybody comparable to Baby Saga SS1 Goku is 3-B.
 
"Injure" is really an exaggeration as Goku wasn't that hurt by it, and he was so suppressed that he didn't even oneshot the Sigma Force's individual members. After powering up the Super Mega Cannon Sigma could harm Goku, but then he himself powers up and tanks it like absolutley nothing, totally overpowers and completely shocks them, says they "ain't all that strong", reveals he was holding back just to test it, powers up even more to the point where they state that his speed is higher than the Data Giru gave them, heavily damages them with a volley punches, and blows it to bits with a kamehameha, which, unlike the page says, has no indication of being full power as it just takes 6 seconds.

Right after Goku curbstomps them he calls them entertaining and it makes him hungry, but he says the enemies he's fought up until now don't compare to Rildo, who he easily stomped. To back this up, Trunks calls him an impossibly huge Ki, implying Rildo's on a whole different level. I'm not saying it shouldn't be Galaxy level at all, but maybe possibly Galaxy level could suit it better. This is the subbed version if you're wondering.

Sorry for the wall of text.
 
So would SSJ4 Gogeta, Omega, the Universal Spirit Bomb and SSJ4 Dragon Fist be At Least Multi-Galaxy level+? If even Baby Arc SSJ Goku will be Multi-Galaxy level? Or will it just be At Least Multi-Galaxy level?
 
They are just At least Multi-Galaxy Lvl. To be Multi-Galaxy lvl+ they need to be a mere 2x away from baseline 3-A which none of them seems to qualify for.
 
Ehh one could argue that SS4 Gogeta is stronger than the Super manga version of Goku since they don't have an exact timeframe on how long it will take for him to destroy the universe in his fight against Beerus. But yeah the anime version is definitely much stronger.
 
I think that we should use Promestein's suggestions from the previous thread:

Galaxy level:

  • SSJ3 Goku / Base GT Goku
  • Kid Buu and Super Buu (All forms)
  • Ultimate Gohan
  • SSJ and SSJ3 Gotenks
  • Hirudegarn
  • Janemba
  • Base Uub
  • General Rilldo
  • Baby Baby
At least Galaxy level:

  • Toei Vegito and SSJ Gogeta
  • Majuub
  • Baby Vegeta
  • SSJ - SSJ2 Vegeta (eventually)
  • SSJ - SSJ4 Goku
  • Super 17
Multi-Galaxy level:

  • Nuova and Eis, barely
  • SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta (EoS)
  • Syn and Omega Shenron
  • SSJ4 Gogeta
 
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