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6-B upgrade for the Ascended and characters who scale to them.

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A few hours ago one of the League lore writers, Scathlocke, made the statement that the Ascended have the capacity to go toe-to-toe with any demi-god in the setting. This presumably would include the Freljord trio (Ornn, Anivia and Volibear), who are all country level. https://i.gyazo.com/957ca31776e7da76310d1bd400d58fe9.png

This would mean upgrades for Azir, Renekton, Nasus and Xerath from At least 7-B to 6-B

It also seems that the profiles for the Darkin characters are out of date, since we now know that they are corrupt Ascended warriors. There is nothing to suggest that they would be any weaker than regular Ascended (in fact Aatrox might be on track for high 4-C power scaling but let's hold off on that for now).

Therefore, Aatrox, Varus and Kayn's Rhaast key should be bumped up from 7-C to 6-B

This would also bump Jax's decapitating an Ascended feat up to 6-B

Off the top of my head I can't remember if there are other champs who would scale to this. Seems like the League profiles just need a lot of revision all around.

Back to the high 4-C Aatrox statement, we know that he fought in a war against an iteration of Pantheon before he was sealed by the Aspect of Twilight, which would scale him up to this level. This could be supported if Riot considers the Aspect hosts of Targon to be demi-gods. The problem with Aatrox's feat is I'm fairly certain we don't know the extent to which he and Pantheon directly clashed, if at all. Unless I'm forgetting something, which is entirely possible. I have no intention of pushing for large star scaling right now but I do want to put the possibility out there.

https://i.gyazo.com/bd85241d98640448207cb85bd51f5bbf.png
 
There is actually supposed to be a full upgrade and there is two High 6-B feats they'd scale to but this only further solidifies the scaling
 
Also the Aspects are supposed to be downgraded as the High 4-C feats werent performed by them but by the Ascendants themselves
 
Ornn, Volibear, Anivia, Aatrox, Rhaast, Varus, Lissandra, Mega Gnar, Nunu, Nasus, Renekton, Azir, Xerath, Pantheon, Leona, Diana, Taric, Morgana, Kayle, Brand, Ryze, Jax, Fiora, Shyvana, Tryndamere, Vladimir, Syndra, Galio (Against Magic), Braum's Shield, Taliyah's Stone Magic, Ezreal's Gauntlet, and Sivir's Crossblade all scale to the High 6-B feats
 
I have two questions:

1-Why have the profiles not been updated yet?

2-And why does this affect the mega-gnar, shield of braum, morgana, kayle, fiora, shyvana and syndra?
 
1. Because this thread needs more input

2. Mega Gnar broke out of Anivia's True Ice, Braum's Shield is enchanted by the power of Ornn and described by Ornn as unbreakable, Morgana and Kayle are Ascendants and thus scale to the other Ascendants, Fiora scales to Jax, Shyvana is fuzed with part of a World Rune, and Syndra overpowered the power of the entire living country of Ionia
 
I disagree with the update of fiora, in the lore of jax, nor speak as was the fight, could have ended in the same way as the previous ones, there is not enough evidence to climb the fiora to the others.
 
it does not mean anything, even if it does better than the others, it does not prove that it is as powerful as jax.
 
Jax kills ascendants and stomps normal Demacian soldiers, his opinion on who is strong and who isnt, who is worthy to fight against him and alongside him is more than enough proof to justify scaling. Its why Fiora is scaled to him now.
 
1-Are you saying that he does not consider the ascendants as worthy opponents?

2-Fiora as 7-C to 7-B is immensely superior to normal soldiers, as any champion is, an increase in power of that would already make her more dignified than the others.
 
1. No, he does consider them worthy, anything less is viewed as unworthy, hence why he was literally toying with the soldiers on the bridge and even his other soldiers back before the Fall of Icathia. Even in his lore he makes a direct point to say that he's looking only for the strongest warriors who can fight alongside him against the Void. Fiora is one of the only people who he currently views as a worthy fighter and someone who rivals him.

2. Fiora has consistently stomped normal soldiers and views guys like Garen as weak, her being this strong is consistent and Jax viewing her as his equal is consistent.
 
Jax killed an Ascendant with the rest of the Icathians, there's no mention of him soloing one and so he shouldn't scale.

Given that we don't know the result of the fight, scaling Fiora to Jax isn't possible through hype alone.
 
The discussion was settled months ago by literally everyone who was a part of the discussions. Multiple staff agreed that she scales to him and the changes were made. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its wrong.
 
It hasn't been settled when you keep misleading info and lie about the circumstances. Making fake justifications isn't allowed which is what is happening here when you keep trying to scale Fiora to Jax or Jax to an Ascendant.
 
Five staff and four people knowledgeable on the verse all agreed that the scaling is legitimate given the information that is in their lore. Im sorry you dont like it but we're not going to change stats based on your personal preference and opinions, let alone when you call everyone who supported the scaling liars and accuse them of misleading people with fake justifications.
 
It isn't legitimate when you're heavily misinterpreting the lore info given. Again, faking justifications isn't allowed.
 
I don't necessarily think you'd need to be equal in power to be called a "worthy opponent". Fiora is extremely strong and skilled for a human and Jax would know and appreciate this. It is very possible he respects her for this reason but she isn't comparable in power.

I don't know the situation of Jax vs a random Ascended, so I don't have input there.

I agree with the upgrades to the rest of those who scale to the demigods.
 
Jax remembering a fight against an Ascendant:

""I have, Axa," said Saijax. "We fought one at Bai-Zhek."

"We had to topple half the mountain to put the big bastard down," Colgrim added. "And even then, only Saijax had a weapon big enough to take its head off.""

And I fail to see how Fiora, Tryndamere, Ez's Gauntlet, Sivir's Chalicar and a few others scale. Maybe the weapons when used by an Ascendant, but not the champions themselves.
 
Fiora is Jax's rival

Tryns is seen by Aatrox as someone who can be a permanent vessel (ie someone who can handle his power)

Ez's gauntlet and Sivir's Chalicar were blatantly stated to use the power of the ascendants, although i can agree that Sivir's is a bit iffy
 
You dont need to see the fight's result

We scale dozens of characters by this same logic, there is no reason to not use it here
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Assalt My dude, you were part of this discussion when we had it lol
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I don't remember every discussion I've had here and even if I did my opinions over long periods of time can change.

That said if she is a true rival and not just someone Jax admires she would need to be comparable in power to Jax to have that title, otherwise it would be more of a joke than a rivalry.
 
@regis Not once did i say anything about Trynd's lore, this is something that comes from Aatrox himself

And yes actually it does = being 6-B as he'd need to be able to withstand the ascendant power that tears apart anyone who he tries to posses
 
WeeklyBattles said:
You dont need to see the fight's result

We scale dozens of characters by this same logic, there is no reason to not use it here
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Yes, we do, since we have no idea how Jax might beat Fiora and whether it allows for scaling.

The reason is that it is too vague and undecided. How is that reasonable evidence?
 
Jax, who fought against ascendants numerous times and after literally toying with demacian soldiers, sees her as a worthy opponent, rival, and someone who should join his cause. Jax's opinion alone is more than enough to justify the scaling.

Because its not vague and it was decided, a long time ago.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@regis Not once did i say anything about Trynd's lore, this is something that comes from Aatrox himself

And yes actually it does = being 6-B as he'd need to be able to withstand the ascendant power that tears apart anyone who he tries to posses
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Yes, I know the quote. Doesn't mean that Tryn will still be related to Aatrox given the upcoming comics.

This is still making up stuff. Nowhere is it stated that all the people Aatrox absorbed were 6-B, just that they weren't good enough for him.
 
He didn't fight them one on one so why should he scale? Again, ignoring the circumstances.

Repeating your arguments isn't making it any less vague you know.
 
Aatrox flat out stated that Tryndamere can handle Aatrox's power possessing him without being torn apart. Why would the comics change anything about what Aatrox said?

They arent 6-B, its stated in the lore that his body tears itself apart because it cant handle his power, whereas Trynd's body can as stated by Aatrox himself. You really need to stop being so needlessly accusatory.
 
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