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Master Hand's Page

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Let me be blunt.

Master Hand's page is absolutely terrible. The only accurate thing is his 3-A stat. Is there a reason he's being scaled so low that I'm not aware of? Because no rationale is provided for pretty much anything on his page.
 
I'm fairly certain that it's quite possible that he is very much FTL, since in Brawl he can fly all the way to the galaxy in the background and to you again in only a couple of seconds. I'm not entirely sure that it's an actual galaxy, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. Just throwing it out there.
 
@Perpetual

He's likely anywhere within FTL to MFTL+, considering that along with the fact he repeatedly fights against characters such as Meta Knight, Kirby, and Samus, along with guys like Sonic and Shulk, now.
 
Yeah, his page. Really needs to be fixed.
 
But then we have the problem of the characters being able to fight each other in the first place, since they're on radically different levels.
 
The Everlasting said:
But then we have the problem of the characters being able to fight each other in the first place, since they're on radically different levels.
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That's very true, but again, he consistently has fought several of the characters mentioned above, along with the fact he literally created the Smash Bros Universe and pulled the fighters from their respective ones.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
That's very true, but again, he consistently has fought several of the characters mentioned above, along with the fact he literally created the Smash Bros Universe and pulled the fighters from their respective ones.
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Didn't he just grab toys and bring them to life to his universe? (Recalling from the OG SSB)
 
I'm pretty sure that Super Smash Bros. characters were already disallowed to be scaled from from the get-go. After all, why isn't all of Nintendo Universal+ for beating Tabuu?
 
SomebodyData said:
Didn't he just grab toys and bring them to life to his universe? (Recalling from the OG SSB)
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Technically yes, because he's supposed to represent a person using their imagination to make various characters fight.

Brawl sorta retcons this with stuff like Tabuu causing the universe to collapse and parallel worlds existing, etc.
 
Tabuu was a harder boss fight, at least on intense. still if you know his moves and timing it's not that hard.
 
The Everlasting said:
But then we have the problem of the characters being able to fight each other in the first place, since they're on radically different levels.
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We can say the same thing about any fighting game. Game Mechanics. It would be no fun if someone playing Dan for the lols died from one jab from an Akuma player online.
 
ThePerpetual said:
I'm pretty sure that Super Smash Bros. characters were already disallowed to be scaled from from the get-go. After all, why isn't all of Nintendo Universal+ for beating Tabuu?
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Because MASSIVE power of friendship/teamwork PIS. Also, IIRC, isn't Tabuu like...the ONLY person to canonically defeat Master Hand? Ganondorf was even WORKING for Master Hand, in Brawl.
 
@Aurasuke & NEHuman: Could you not derail the thread here? This is talking about the issue with Master Hand's stats.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
@Aurasuke & NEHuman: Could you not derail the thread here? This is talking about the issue with Master Hand's stats.
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Actually, NEH's post is totally relevant, as it explains away "but lol this character defeated Master Hand here and Olimar can fight Kirby" and such.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
SomebodyData said:
I think he should only be scaled from his own feats, not anyone else
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By his own feats he's a FTL - MFTL+ universe buster.
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There ya go, this thread is finished unless we want to add on for his abilities, if theres any the page doesnt cover i mean
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
So we got the speed part, finally. Anything that's also wrong with MH's stats?
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Well, looking only at his own feats, he should probably just be straight up 3-A with anywhere from FTL to MFTL+ speeds. His durability should likely also be universe level, as in canon, the only character to beat him is Tabuu, who's already Low 2-C. I'm fairly certain no random characters defeating him in the game's classic mode counts, as when he dies, I'm pretty sure the universe ends.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
CrossverseCrisis said:
So we got the speed part, finally. Anything that's also wrong with MH's stats?
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Well, looking only at his own feats, he should probably just be straight up 3-A with anywhere from FTL to MFTL+ speeds. His durability should likely also be universe level, as in canon, the only character to beat him is Tabuu, who's already Low 2-C. I'm fairly certain no random characters defeating him in the game's classic mode counts, as when he dies, I'm pretty sure the universe ends.
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Are we using brawl though?

How do we take into account that player beat Tabuu though?
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
CrossverseCrisis said:
So we got the speed part, finally. Anything that's also wrong with MH's stats?
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Well, looking only at his own feats, he should probably just be straight up 3-A with anywhere from FTL to MFTL+ speeds. His durability should likely also be universe level, as in canon, the only character to beat him is Tabuu, who's already Low 2-C. I'm fairly certain no random characters defeating him in the game's classic mode counts, as when he dies, I'm pretty sure the universe ends.
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Oh yeah, i was wondering why his durability was freaking low (then again, look at those like Haruhi and Heaven DIO. :/).

So how should we determine that one? Universe or Universe level+ durability? Probably the former but i'll see what happens here next on taht/
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Oh yeah, i was wondering why his durability was freaking low (then again, look at those like Haruhi and Heaven DIO. :/).

So how should we determine that one? Universe or Universe level+ durability? Probably the former but i'll see what happens here next on taht/
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Yeah. The problem with that is we don't know if he just created the physical aspect of a universe, or the full continuum. I mean, now that characters like Rosalina and Shulk are in Smash, I guess Low 2-C would make sense, but...I don't know.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
CrossverseCrisis said:
Oh yeah, i was wondering why his durability was freaking low (then again, look at those like Haruhi and Heaven DIO. :/).

So how should we determine that one? Universe or Universe level+ durability? Probably the former but i'll see what happens here next on taht/
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Yeah. The problem with that is we don't know if he just created the physical aspect of a universe, or the full continuum. I mean, now that characters like Rosalina and Shulk are in Smash, I guess Low 2-C would make sense, but...I don't know.
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Does saying "Unknown. Likely/Probably Universe level+" for his durability work?
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Does saying "Unknown. Likely/Probably Universe level+" for his durability work?
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Tssssshhhhh...I dunno. Perhaps it would be better all around if he was just "At least 3-A, possibly/probably Low 2-C"? I dunno.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
CrossverseCrisis said:
Does saying "Unknown. Likely/Probably Universe level+" for his durability work?
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Tssssshhhhh...I dunno. Perhaps it would be better all around if he was just "At least 3-A, possibly/probably Low 2-C"? I dunno.
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Pehaps thats one way we could work with that.
 
Aurasuke said:
hmm, just wondering what feats would put Tabuu on 2-C level, is it due to the great maze thing?
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Low 2-C. Mainly due to creating and maintaining his own separate universe and threatening to destroy the old one.
 
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