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Blackbeard vs Black Dragon

So negating attacks vs eating attacks?

Interesting match

EDIT:

Also BB isn't much stronger than 345 gigatons. It's a solid feat, and we have no proof that he is far higher than that. Not voting yet, just feel like I had to mention that.

Also RIP Tenrou island
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Doesn't Blackbeard stomp? Devil Fruits are not equalized to magic.
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Wait, really? I thought they were equalized.

Well anyways, if that's the case, it's still not a stomp. It's a clear win for BB though. BB's power nullifies something only if he touches/blocks the attack itself, but given the fact that Acno doesn't really have much going for him aside from experience, the victor is pretty clear.

If DF = Magic, then we have an actual interesting battle though
 
Dragon Acnologia was the one who destroyed Tenroujima and as far as I'm aware Devil Fruits and Haki are not equalized with magic.
 
I'm not saying Human Acnologia couldn't blow it up. He obviously could. I'm just agreeing with Burning Full Fingers that it was Dragon Acnologia that was going to blow it up in the story.
 
Acnologia Takes this, in his human form he has usually gone for Aoe ranged attacks, and if push comes to shove he is gonna destroy Tenrou Island, not to mention that Blackbeard will pretty much be taking in all that damage, I don't think Blackbeard has anything with range that can take out Acnologia, I can see Acnologia using his breath attack from a distance and lighting Blackbeard up, Acnologia takes it High-diff
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Yeah, destroying Tenrou was calced at less than 50 megatons. Human Acno would very easily blow the entire island up by flexing with his explosion aura. Then he blasts the drowning Blackbeard to smithereens.
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Jeez, I forgot how much FT was downplayed in the past. This calc proposed using concrete instead of rock, sheesh.
 
@Dragon

Hmm, I don't think that's how it works. Human Acnologia is higher than 50 megatons, but that does not mean he can bust Tenroujima. DC is not AP. It's like saying everyone above 50 megatons in the series can bust Tenroujima, but it's really not like that. No proof that he can do so. He'd be able to do it over time though.

@Mitch

Is there any counter for Yami Yami no Mi? Teach can absorb all of Acnologia's attacks if he wants to with Black Hole. As for AoE and range, Teach's attack covered half of a small island when he was holding back, and this version has Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi so he's not lacking in AoE himself and Acnologia can't play the range game. Gura Gura no Mi also covers Blackbeard's shortcoming in close combat.

Really, for me it's just Kurouzu + Black Hole + Liberation and Teach takes it.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
@Dragon
Hmm, I don't think that's how it works. Human Acnologia is higher than 50 megatons, but that does not mean he can bust Tenroujima. DC is not AP. It's like saying everyone above 50 megatons in the series can bust Tenroujima, but it's really not like that. No proof that he can do so. He'd be able to do it over time though.
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I don't get it. If there was a wall that had a durability of 50 megatons, then everyone stronger than that wall by hundreds of times would obviously be able to oneshot it. What does DC stand for?
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Burning Full Fingers said:
@Dragon
Hmm, I don't think that's how it works. Human Acnologia is higher than 50 megatons, but that does not mean he can bust Tenroujima. DC is not AP. It's like saying everyone above 50 megatons in the series can bust Tenroujima, but it's really not like that. No proof that he can do so. He'd be able to do it over time though.
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I don't get it. If there was a wall that had a durability of 50 megatons, then everyone stronger than that wall by hundreds of times would obviously be able to oneshot it. What does DC stand for?
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Sure, they could destroy this wall, but in order to destroy Tenrou in one hit human Acno requires range of at least that level.

If a character is a certain level, it doesn't necessarily mean he can destroy that much, since it depends on the attack. For example Gear 3 Luffy is island level, and I REALLY doubt he can bust tenrou with one attack
 
Captain Torch said:
Sure, they could destroy this wall, but in order to destroy Tenrou in one hit human Acno requires range of at least that level.

If a character is a certain level, it doesn't necessarily mean he can destroy that much, since it depends on the attack. For example Gear 3 Luffy is island level, and I REALLY doubt he can bust tenrou with one attack
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A single attack would be able to do it. If you hit a large building with a 7-A attack, even if the entire building isn't engulfed by the attack, it would still be destroyed.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
Captain Torch said:
Sure, they could destroy this wall, but in order to destroy Tenrou in one hit human Acno requires range of at least that level.

If a character is a certain level, it doesn't necessarily mean he can destroy that much, since it depends on the attack. For example Gear 3 Luffy is island level, and I REALLY doubt he can bust tenrou with one attack
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A single attack would be able to do it. If you hit a large building with a 7-A attack, even if the entire building isn't engulfed by the attack, it would still be destroyed.
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You're mistaking range with energy. An attack can have certain energy values, but it doesn't necessarily have the same range. A city level character can have city level range, while at the same time an island level character can have building level range. Sure, if your attack is big enough to engulf the whole building, then the building will be destroyed. But if your attack is just normal human sized, then it'll probably just go through the walls or something.

It really depends on the character, and the energy of the attack doesn't have much to do with it
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
Doesn't Blackbeard stomp? Devil Fruits are not equalized to magic.
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Doesn't this make it a stomp the other way around? BB won't be able to null any of Acno's attacks, he doesn't have an elemental form for regen, because of the Yami Yami Acno's attacks will do more damage, and Acnologia can eat his darkness to get stronger.

Blackbeard also has this weakness "he is overconfident in his abilities and inclined to underestimate opponents"

Acnologia's used to fighting people that can manipulate shadows so he has the experience there.

If this isn't a stomp then I vote Acnologia for these reasons.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
@Mitch

Is there any counter for Yami Yami no Mi? Teach can absorb all of Acnologia's attacks if he wants to with Black Hole. As for AoE and range, Teach's attack covered half of a small island when he was holding back, and this version has Whitebeard's Gura Gura no Mi so he's not lacking in AoE himself and Acnologia can't play the range game. Gura Gura no Mi also covers Blackbeard's shortcoming in close combat.

Really, for me it's just Kurouzu + Black Hole + Liberation and Teach takes it.
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Acnologia can just get up and close while using Explosion aura. If he tries using any shadows in melee, then Acno just eats them. They also start off 100 meters apart, which is in range for both of them
 
Not really. He can't nullify his abilities, but what I listed is valid. As I remember from Law and Aokiji vs Acnologia, Acnologia's special ability won't work on Devil Fruits.

Idk. I remember Blackbeard used Black Hole on some fodder. But you'd have to wait for someone knowledgeable on One Piece.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
As I remember from Law and Aokiji vs Acnologia, Acnologia's special ability won't work on Devil Fruits.
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I wasn't there so Idk what those reasons are. If this has something to do with the Logia types being able to turn back into themselves, that doesn't matter here since BB doesn't have a shadow form, just shadow projectiles/attacks which Acnologia would easily be able to eat. Magic = The actual thing so if they were arguing that BB uses actual shadows which are not magical and would stop Acno from eating them, then they're just wrong. This is because in FT, Magic = the actual thing. We see many examples of this as dragonslayers in verse are shown to eat both magical and nonmagical versions of their element.
 
The page for devil fruits explains pretty well how they work. BB's Yami Yami seems to be a Producer Paramecia and there's nowhere on the page saying that the DF elements are special and can't be absorbed anywhere. That being said, the page could be outdated and I am willing to wait until someone could double check.
 
It's more like Acnologia can eat magic, but DF don't count as magic according to the person who modified the page. Can't really remember the arguments though.

But yeah, if Acnologia can eat his powers, Teach gets rekt.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
It's more like Acnologia can eat magic, but DF don't count as magic according to the person who modified the page. Can't really remember the arguments though.
But yeah, if Acnologia can eat his powers, Teach gets rekt.
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Yeah, then that person was using misinformation/was misinformed. Acnologia can eat actual shadows, he's not limited to eating the magical version of something.
 
Devil Fruits are based on genetics

Blackbeard's Devil Fruit is a special case

Just look at his page in here or the One Piece Wiki

They'll tell you that his Devil Fruit is a logia
 
Essentially it's cause Blackbeard's fruit is the only known logia that doesn't allow the user to turn into its element
 
Weird, I must've not seen it. Either way, it doesn't really effect what I had in mind and stated when I made my vote and reasoning.
 
BB does turn into his element. HIs problem is his element is "gravity" (His words) which sucks everything in. Instead of phasing through stuff like other Logia's he gets hit harder by them.

Anyway voting for the dragon because looking at his profile their is a fairly big stat gap here.
 
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