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Probably an endless loop: The Thing vs Tomie

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No idea if this is conclusive, but hey, why not?

The Thing

Tomie

  • Tomie starts as one Tomie
  • They fight in India, in the middle of a village with wildlife
  • Both can infect more stuff of course, they have 2 hours to do so
 
This... probably will continue endless, so i vote for inconclusive. No chance for both of them win in this fight, their only hope here is fire.
 
If Tomie's possession is purely biological in nature then the Thing probably wins, because Thing cells actively try to devour non-Thing cells, and, if Tomie's abilities are genetic then the Thing now has them. To clairify, Thing cells penetrate the cell wall of other organisims and absorb the material inside and integrate the genetic information.
 
Well, her best showing is that a bit of blood touched someone, and that person tuned into Tomie after a while. Just so you know.
 
As I said, a bit of blood hit someone and suddenly they turned into Tomie shortly after
 
Ok? The exact same thing can happen with the Thing, execpt we actually know how. That's not enough information to come to a solid conclusion. Tomie is a Junji Ito comic right?
 
Tomie is supernatural, not biological. Her body needs to infect someone yes, but it's a magical phenomena, not a biological one. So the thing won't be copying it. Or if it does, it'll just make more Tomies
 
The Thing will take a more savage approach I presume. Considering the fact that it was an alien made to invade Earth, I don't doubt it will start off assimilating wildlife and the humans around the area until it can overwhelm Tomie. However, The Thing has one thing holding it back.

It can be killed.

What I mean by that is that Tomie can and will duplicate from her own cells. The Thing needs to assimilate more biological material in order to create more of itself. All Tomie has to do is keep organic bodies away from The Thing, and it will stop multiplying.

Assuming the endless game of assimilating each other goes on forever, sooner or later Tomie will learn of The Thing's weakness to fire and use that against it. She can keep duplicating and setting The Thing on fire, and as long as she keeps the above principle, she will take this eventually.

My vote goes to Tomie.
 
Maybe

But she can drive animals it becomes insane enough that they kills itself or each other and the cells in the body all die.

And if they get in an infinite loop of consuming each other's cells for the rest of time, but Tomie's the main body and is in control, I'd say that's her win.
 
I guess the issue with the infinite loop is the Things propensity to divide itself. There's no reason it won't just drop bit's of itself and have them scurry off in search of more mass.
 
If it's doing things strategic like that, that sounds like it has a mind

That can be controlled.
 
Well, it's both instinct and stratagy, but that's besides the point. The Thing is not one singular creature, it's a colony of mindless single cells forming a larger whole. Each cell has full autonomy and will behave according to it's most basic programing, which is find and devour other cells.
 
Uh

"A bit of Blood" is likely several thousand/million cells, and is a tissue, not cellular, unless it was explained that it operates on the cellular level.

The Thing's assimilation is far better from a cursory glance.
 
Several thousand cells that all get turned into more of Tomoe though

Operating on a smaller level doesn't automatically make it better. Anything infected is still turning into Tomoe. That the Thing can turn those things back on a cellular level doesn't mean it somehow overwhelms her own possession/transmutation
 
In the case of absorption/assimalation, yes, operating on a smaller level means that a single cell of the Thing can infect and spread unhindered within Tomoe.

As in, the thousand cells that Tomoe's ability would need would to assimilate would be already be a part of the Thing before it could start doing anything.
 
Not necessarily.

You're assuming that Tomoe's ability works on some kind of biological principle of absorbing and converting cells like the Thing. It doesn't. It's just supernatural ghost-demon-whatever-tomoe-is powers causing things that bits of her body to get into to start turning into her.

It's true that her blood can't go "in" one of the Thing's cells due to cells being smaller than a drop of blood, but that doesn't mean that those cells won't be transformed along with the rest of the Thing once Tomoe's conversion powers start.
 
Then, in that case, it's likely a match of who's ability operates faster.

How fast does Tomoe's ability take her to assimalate?

That put, as considering they're in a village and how the Thing typically operates, it could assume a biomass far greater than hers before it targets her.
 
I'll have to pull up the comic to check. Though from memory alone I think the Thing's is probably faster.

It doesn't really matter how much biomass it accumulates. If her conversion is faster than its, no matter how much biomass it has, she'll spread through that biomass without it being able to stop her.
 
Ok so I read through. One one hand, I found Tomie can transform people into her just with her cells. On the other hand, it's way way too slow to beat the Thing. Like, it takes a few weeks to a month or something. And the blood injection is oddly, even slower. A guy injected Tomie's blood into babies and they all grew up into Tomie over years, not instantly changed. Oh and then there was that one time people melted her down into alcohol and drank it, and while she was still "alive", none of them were shown to have changed.

However I also found that having her hair in you absorbs your life force to grow, so that might be a problem if the Thing absorbs her hair. Also, while the Thing's individual cells might not be mindhaxable, if it develops into a creature with a brain, she can likely mind hax it.
 
Well, here's the thing.

The Thing is in the middle of a populated city, with an mass smaller, but comparable to the small dog that it needs to maintain a human-like intelligence.

Also, the Thing doesn't really have a brain, at least the one it may develop has nothing to do with its biology and is about as useful to it as your pinkey toe is to you.

Realise that this includes small bugs, rats, other humans, etc.

The Thing would eventually just swarm her, with several bodies being too small to mindhax, and then assimalate her. It would have trouble encorporating the hair, I guess, but at that point everything short of her hair would be assimalted, and it would likely just shed the hair and then destroy it.
 
The taking weeks to assimilate someone should really be put under Tomie's weakness section. I retract my vote regardless.
 
I'm going to vote the Thing.

My instincts tell me Tomie shouldn't actually be beatable like this via being an immortal supernatural ghost-demon thing that's meant to outright never go away and always come back, but that's more of the theme of her story than her powers.

I still think she could mind hax it, it clearly has a consciousness of some sort when it's assimilated people and animals, but her mind hax wouldn't actually put it down.
 
If it wasn't already a bit obvious, I'm voting the Thing as well for my own reasons and Monarch's.
 
Changing my vote to the Thing FRA. I definatly agree with what Monarch said about Tomie's theme, but I'm pretty sure we have good reasons for going by our current standards *cough* *cough*Tier0Saitama*cough* *cough*.
 
Well, if talk about fight only, i vote for The Thing, as well. However, as Monarch said, it will lead to Tomie slowly come back, with one way or another from The Thing body, but in this battle - she lose. Possibly she can change The Thing from cellular level, but at this point this not fully applicable in combat.
 
I'll vote Thing since it seems unclear on whether or not mindhaxing such a thing (buh dum tiss) would work.
 
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