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Whole Cake Arc Luffy CRT

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I was reading Luffy and Katakuri's fight again and I found something.

I was looking for the moment when Luffy got his hands harmed by Katakuri's Busoshoku and later matched them in Base but that never happened so this can't be counted. Instead I found this.

First of all all of this can be explained with this Rayleigh's statement. This could be counted as Reactive Power Level.

With that clarified I'll start:

In the earliest part of the fight Gear Third Luffy was stomped in strength and Katakuri's AP is justified with that. This is from Katakuri's profile:

Attack Potency: At least Island level (He is stated to be the "Strongest of the Three Sweet Commanders", making him superior to Charlotte Cracker and Charlotte Smoothie. He virtually stomped Whole Cake Arc Gear 3rd Luffy in a contest of strength while taking their fight as a joke.

But later in the fight, when Luffy was starting to see the future he stopped Katakuri's attack with G3 and did it fine. Note that Luffy didn't get pushed by Katakuri's strength unlike before.

I don't know if G2 Luffy has something to do with this. This was before G3 Luffy was overpowered but the difference between casual Haki Katakuri and G2 Luffy is consistently showing Katakuri as the strongest. So Gear Second Luffy can't be scaled to Katakuri's regular AP.

In Gear Fourth: Boundman Luffy's equal or above Katakuri's AP since he was unaffected like the other times by Katakuri's attacks. But that doesn't scale to Katakuri's strongest attacks. Boundman was only used once on-scree and this is probably the only one Luffy used it. Why am I saying this? Because Luffy himself said that Gear 4th has a time limit and it drains all of his Haki . Later he said he can't beat Katakuri without Haki. Luffy wouldn't risk himself that much knowing that he can't run and hide forever.

Luffy's Durability should scale at some degree. In the first part Luffy was stomped by Katakuri and the latter beated Luffy with no effort at all with a couple of attacks. Luffy wasn't totally defeated though. But then Luffy became so tough that even in Base was somehow holding against Katakuri's Busoshoku . But Luffy's Dura shouldn't scale to Katakuri's gigant fist. Actually Katakuri never landed a giant fist on Base Luffy. This should be consistent with Luffy fighting Katakuri for hours without Gear 4th.

And Snakeman is also slightly below Katakuri's regular AP.

I think it's possible an upgrade for Whole Cake Arc Luffy in Gear Third from High 7-A to 6-C by matching Katakuri's attacks. Gear 4th forms and Katakuri's strongest attack should scale aswell. If this is accepted as baseline then Gear 4th multiplier could be applied. The same thing goes for his Durability looking at how much he last against Katakuri even in Base.

In other words:

  • Base Luffy Durability and Gear Third AP should be upgraded to 6-C and everything stronger than this should scale aswell.
In a side note: Perospero's Candy Wall is vastly stronger than Gear 3rd with no Haki Luffy and Amande is stronger than Perospero's CW .
 
I agree, but it wouldn't be reactive power level, getting stronger the more you fight is just training and improving, Reactive Power Pevel is a whole other thing, other than that I agree
 
Well Luffy can't train in that situation and the improvement comes from fighting a strong opponent.

It was a suggestion, though. The main part of this is the upgrade.
 
It's an anime trope, everytime an anime character fights, they get stronger, As for the Upgrade I agree with it
 
Of course but this barely happened in One Piece.

I'm not saying this is RPL but just suggesting it could be going with what Rayleigh said.
 
Katakuri was slightly weaker than Boundman. This was the first time that Luffy truly damaged him.

He stomped Gear 3rd Luffy and stalemated Snakeman.
 
Earlier G3 was stomped but later he became strong enough to stop Katakuri's punch.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Katakuri was slightly weaker than Boundman. This was the first time that Luffy truly damaged him.
He stomped Gear 3rd Luffy and stalemated Snakeman.
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Lol he wasn´t weaker then Boundman? The only reason why Katakuri get hit by Boundman was the thing that he lose his whole CoO and don´t see any move of Luffy incoming. Later after he gain his FS he was easily able to overpowered G4 Boundman Luffy(who even state that Katakuri get stronger after his FS come back).
 
Katakuri was pushed by G4 strength while other attacks only damaged him. Katakuri hit G4 with no Haki covering unlike when Doflamingo attempted to.

And the scans shows that G4 Luffy doesn't get hurt by Katakuri's punches when they land on Haki-covered skin unlike without it.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Katakuri was pushed by G4 strength while other attacks only damaged him. Katakuri hit G4 with no Haki covering unlike when Doflamingo attempted to.
And the scans shows that G4 Luffy doesn't get hurt by Katakuri's punches when they land on Haki-covered skin unlike without it.
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He was pushed back by G4 Snakeman aswell but this doesn´t mean Boundman was stronger then Katakuri. When he get pushed back he lose his Future sight, he don´t even use Powermochi to defend himself like after he do that with FS. Luffy even state that FS Katakuri>>>Non FS/CoO Katakuri in this scan:

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The problem here is, Katakuri never hit covering Haki skin of Luffy Boundman when he fight with him. The only clash was with Kong Gun and his powermochi was strong enough to district the punch. You can´t say that G4 with covering CoA Skin doesn´t get hurt by Katakuri if we even don´t see any panel when Katakuri hit Luffy in Boundman in his CoA skin.

But he was able to hurt Snakeman CoA skin aswell, you even show that panel:

[[2]]

Luffy punch and Katakuri punch each other and Luffy scream because of the pain who he get of Katakuri superior CoA. Even in his G4 Luffy get still hurt because of Katakuri stronger CoA version.
 
Chibi14 said:
He was pushed back by G4 Snakeman aswell but this doesn´t mean Boundman was stronger then Katakuri. When he get pushed back he lose his Future sight, he don´t even use Powermochi to defend himself like after he do that with FS. Luffy even state that FS Katakuri>>>Non FS/CoO Katakuri in this scan:

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In the whole fight Katakuri supported Luffy's attacks being stand. While Luffy went Gear Fourth Katakuri was pushed by the strength. Kenbunshoku doesn't powerboost Katakuri. It only gives the edge due to being capable of anticipate Luffy with no effort.

Chibi14 said:
The problem here is, Katakuri never hit covering Haki skin of Luffy Boundman when he fight with him. The only clash was with Kong Gun and his powermochi was strong enough to district the punch. You can´t say that G4 with covering CoA Skin doesn´t get hurt by Katakuri if we even don´t see any panel when Katakuri hit Luffy in Boundman in his CoA skin.
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Boundman never clashed Katakuri in a strength contest but Luffy wasn't districted by Katakuri's attack. That was Snakeman and I already stated that Snakeman is slightly weaker. In the same scan you brought it's shown how Katakuri attacked Luffy's arm covered in Haki.

Chibi14 said:
But he was able to hurt Snakeman CoA skin aswell, you even show that panel:
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Luffy punch and Katakuri punch each other and Luffy scream because of the pain who he get of Katakuri superior CoA. Even in his G4 Luffy get still hurt because of Katakuri stronger CoA version.
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Read the OP. I said that Snakeman is slightly inferior to Katakuri in AP.

Snakeman boost more the speed than the power. In this moment Luffy took Katakuri by surprise and the first attack didn't took Katakuri dow .
 
1. Katakuri was weaker without CoO, I didn´t say that he get a powerboost by CoO but in otherway Luffy state that Katakuri get stronger in his old version. So you can´t compare the first clash of Boundman vs Katakuri who was weaker then in his normal state with FS. The manga show that Boundman Luffy was asskicked by FS Katakuri so I don´t know where this "Boundman was stronger then Katakuri" come from when the manga show the other side....

2. You write this:

"And the scans shows that G4 Luffy doesn't get hurt by Katakuri's punches when they land on Haki-covered skin unlike without it. "

You scans show nothing because Luffy in Boundman never get hit by Katakuri punches when he was in Haki covered skin. Boundman was only hit twice by Katakuri and everytime in the non Haki covered skin. So I don´t understand you point...
 
Calaca Vs said:
1. In this page we see Luffy attacking Katakuri while the latter has his arms covered by the black coat of Haki http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-B93-1qyTU...0INOri6vYxtQ9YyIwCHMYBhgL/s16000/0883-017.png
In the second panel we see Katakuri punching Luffy's arm covered in Haki and the latter didn't get harmed like before https://i.imgur.com/yUXUqru.jpg

2. This is the third time I use the scan.
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1. His arms didn´t get hurt because Katakuri only protect himself and Luffy attack, when Snakeman attack Katakuri the same happend again and his arms didn´t get hurt:

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The thing here is, Katakuri attack later back and hurt Snakeman fist, in the first clash Katakuri only block the attacks.

In both scene Katakuri try to block and get hurt by Snakeman and Boundman, he didn´t directly attack them.

For the second panel, Snakeman clash with Katakuri manytimes too and his arms didn´t get harmed:

[[2]]

Only in a directly fist fight, Luffy arms get harmed, we can´t say much about Boundman because G4 Boundman never directly clash with Katakuri fists, his Kong gun only get distrected....

Like I said, fact is that Boundman was under FS Katakuri who kicked his ass when he get his CoO back.

So Boundman wasn´t stronger then Katakuri.
 
1. That's why Snakeman is weaker than Katakuri's Haki unlike Boundman. Boundman was punched in the arm with Haki and got no damage: https://m.imgur.com/yUXUqru?r I won't bring this scan anymore.

I already said that Snakeman is weaker than Katakuri. SM Luffy didn't toss Katakuri with the punch in the scan you brought while BM did it with no effort. And saying that Katakuri lost his FS means nothing because FS Katakuri is stronger than No-FS Katakuri regarding combat skills. But in both panels we see Katakuri standing against Snakeman (having his FS activated) and Katakuri flying by BM sheer strength.

So Snakeman didn't get harmed? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UOsRFLbd-...65mvVmoC5_wDL5WqQCHMYBhgL/s16000/0895-013.png

Katakuri deflected BM's arm instead of directly overpowered it. He did it many times in the battle with every Luffy's form but Boundman. In fact he punched BM's arm and Luffy didn't scream. He took it just fine. And if

FS Katakuri was stronger because he knew every single thing Luffy was gonna do. He isn't stronger in terms of physical strength.

And in this page we see Katakuri attacking Luffy's arms. Look at the ressult and compare it to Katakuri attacking BM's arm: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1Kvk5Wucv...WVz-kgayV9fCOqZtQCHMYBhgL/s16000/0894-007.png
 
Like I post already, Snakeman clash with his fist with Katakuri too and don´t get harmed in the first place(or when he kicked him). I don´t even much deny with you, but I don´t agree with "Boundman is stronger then Katakuri" thing because we see in Manga how Katakuri beat his ass.^^
 
Boundman is physically the strongest Luffy's form. The only one that can toss Katakuri with it's attacks.

Snakeman is stronger than Luffy's base but not at Boundman extent. It's still below Katakuri's AP.
 
Calaca Vs said:
Boundman is physically the strongest Luffy's form. The only one that can toss Katakuri with it's attacks.
Snakeman is stronger than Luffy's base but not at Boundman extent. It's still below Katakuri's AP.
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You are right Snakeman is still below Katakuri AP I don´t deny that.

For now Boundman is physically the strongest form but I would call it more as all rounder form, Im sure we get see later the full physically form as Tiger or Lionman(cover with five animals, we already get Gorilla(Boundman), Snake(Snakeman) and Tankman(Crocodile), all of them as special own ability).

Boundman Allrounder, Snakeman Speed, Tankman Defense, im sure we see later Attack from(Tigerman) and the strongest form with Lion(possible new Gear). In terms of physically strenght I would put Katakuri equal to Boundman, he was able to block his Kong gun and send Luffy fly with single Powermochi.
 
In the OP I stated that Boundman is at least equal to Katakuri's AP. I believe he's stronger for a little but that's my opinion.
 
I don't think it's gonna be monkey man tbh

We already got Gear 4 which is based off the Kong of the island he fought and that thing was hella strong based off the movie
 
Please don't derail this thread.

Instead continue the subject in the OP discussion thread. I'm interested.
 
@Calaca

Sorry for derailing the thread. Also hasn't everyone agreed with the OP yet, i feel like i read multiple people agreeing with this.
 
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