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(Nihilus vs Sirzechs) Who exists before the other one exists and therefore gets their existence existed out of existence?

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  • sniff sniff* Do you smell that? It's the smell of chaos.
Ok so these 2 basically exist to win (literally that's it).

Sirzechs Lucifer (true form)
SirzechsLuciferFullBody Render
To be or not to be.


vs

Darth Nihilus
Darth Nihilus by Smokeh
Darling, we'll always "be" together.


Need i even bloodlust? (bloodlusted just in case i guess)

Need i even equalize speed? (but equalized just in case)

Fight in close quarters (3m).

Anything else is basically irrelevant.

The Hero is restricted...wait, no.[insert RIP pic]

Oh btw before anyone is like "oh but Nihilus is a much higher tier" and close this for stomp, The Power Of Destruction will work (i can post later if you want).
 
Newendigo said:
Nihulus stomps.
Now show me the reason that makes you believe that this match is fair.
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Sirzechs exists top tiers of his verse out of existence.

His "true form" is the embodiment of the power of destruction (it works on an AOE apparently), as just being near him will desintegrate your body and soul out of existence. And:

1. Nihilus doesn't have any feat of his soul surviving complete desintegration from someone as powerful as Sirzechs.

2. The power of destruction negates durability to a certain extent. Which is why Rias could dmg someone like Grendel who was slapping True Queen Issei around and why Sirzechs could dmg the core of Trihexia (a 5-B being) and was even called a last resort vs Trihexia.

And again The Power Of Destruction which has durability negation vs Nihilus' soul.
 
Fire there is 1 mayor problem in this fight and it comes from Darth Nihilus and that is Mind Hax
 
Trihexa isn't even 5-B.

The only statement that would put them is that it can destroy the world in a fight, but without details and a timeframe that could be in tier 6 rather easily.
 
Tincan123 said:
Fire there is 1 mayor problem in this fight and it comes from Darth Nihilus and that is Mind Hax
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Ugh. You did notice the "exist" part right?

Being near Sirzechs gets your body and soul obliterated. It's Mind Hax vs Total Destruction, both are passive, that's why i love this match. xD

@Ricsi It's actually multiple statements as that's literally the only thing they say when it comes to the 3 top beings. Besides a being who can literally shake the whole underworld by yawning is quite strong. Then there is the fact of how many beings went to defeat it. Like actually countless top tier beings went to fight 1 of it's 7 heads. The power was divided and yet ppl like Sirzechs, Azazel, all 4 seraphs, Vishinu and Brahama (and a ton of others) along with their peerage went to fight it. And all those guys are WAY stronger. (issei was 6-c at least far higher when he was amazed that someone actually scratched Sirzechs in a fight before getting trashed). But you missed my point, i meant that Sirzechs and Rias dmg-ed ppl way out of their league (Sirzehcs actually turned it to much rather than "dmg it").
 
Make a CRT if you want it to be 5-B, as of now, it is not.

And being near him won't be a problem when hecan mindhax from kilometers away
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Make a CRT if you want it to be 5-B, as of now, it is not.
And being near him won't be a problem when hecan mindhax from kilometers away
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My point doe. I meant that it's FAR stronger than him yet he turned it to mush casually.

Fight in close quarters doe. They start at 3m away.
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
And sirzechs gets mindhaxed right away and accepts to be assimilated.
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Ugh. I already explained. Passive body and soul obliteration. Mind Hax vs Instant Death, i'd say the latter is most likely to win.
 
Exept nihilus litiraly mindhaxes and soulhaxes passivly, and assumign the ability works on nihlius is nlf until you make a crt to make trihexa 5-B
 
Ricsi-viragosi said:
Exept nihilus litiraly mindhaxes and soulhaxes passivly, and assumign the ability works on nihlius is nlf until you make a crt to make trihexa 5-B
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"passively"

I already said both are passive. Also durability negation. It literally attacks the body on a particle level destroying everything and same thing applies for the soul. Tier is pretty much useless here.
 
Dziga said:
So... You're basically admitting that you made a VS Thread with the intention of one character winning, even thought Nihilus clearly stomps... Can't blame you since even certain Staff do it.
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Define "clearly".

Also i literally made this for the "stand" xD. Though Insta Death is most likely to win before the mind hax. So pls clarify me on the Nihilus stomps.
 
Ps: Forgot to mention, the power of destruction also incinerates counsciousness. (it's already in the profiles and it comes from Grendel).
 
If both character's have instant passive win haxes but one of them isn't lethal, then Nihilus loses since he doesn't have resistance to EE. I vote Sirzechs for this reason.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
If both character's have instant passive win haxes but one of them isn't lethal, then Nihilus loses since he doesn't have resistance to EE. I vote Sirzechs for this reason.
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-> Nihilus's Passive Soul Hax, Mind Hax, Insta Death Speech, Death Aura, Tens of Trillions AP / Dura advantage aren't lethal.

Alucard laughing
 
>When Speech isn't passive, AP and Dura don't do anything to stop hax, and Death Aura can't kill something not alive.

When you say soul hax, is it destruction of the soul?
 
Death Aura causes the very Life Force and Soul to cease to absorbed into Nihilus. Passive Soul Manipulation is Absorption which one-shot anyways. Also don't forget passive Mind Hax. This is at the very best an Inconclusive.
 
Sirzechs is a Power of destruction shaped like a person. This would be like saying you killed/absorbed the soul of chakra or ki. At the very worst this is inconclusive, Nihilus has no way to survive passively being erased from existence.
 
So you're saying Sirzechs can't be killed physically, spiritually or mentally? No just stop.
 
In this form, that lacks a normal body, a soul or mind? It's not exactly NLF to say you can't kill things that aren't there. Might as well be surprised that someone that can't touch souls can't beat a ghost to death.
 
@Dziga Well this might turn out to be an inconclusive though hardly. Sirzechs instantaneous dmg to the body, soul and consciousness will most likely kill before anything meaningless happens on Nihilus. Soul destruction will happen faster than absorption (logically speaking).

@Jordan Well yes. Though i'd say instant destruction will happen before absorption (if im not mistaken the absorption happens after mind hax which makes it even less likely to work).
 
Isnt this Inconclusive ?

Nihilus haxes his mind to mush,

Sirzechs destroys Nihilus at the same time.
 
PloxFGM said:
Isnt this Inconclusive ?
Nihilus haxes his mind to mush,

Sirzechs destroys Nihilus at the same time.
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Well Nihilus dies while Sirzechs just gets Mind Haxed (which will stop once Nihilus dies). So Nihilus' death comes first.
 
RebubleUselet said:
Anyway, Inconclusive FRA.
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They didn't exactly vote you know. It was mostly a guess. Though reasons for inconclusive. Previous reason has been debunked.

Previous Reason: Both get passively owned.

Debunk: Sirzechs annihalation will trigger before anything meanigless on Nihilus. Destruction > Absorption. Destruction > Mind Hax. So Nihilus' passives will be too "slow?" i guess you could say.
 
Btw, I noticed 2 issues with Sirzechs' page:

1) His 2nd key speed is "At least Massively Hypersonic, at least Sub-Relativistic (Much faster than before. Comparable to DxD Issei)" lolwut

2) There's no EE on his page.

If Sirzechs' stuff needs to reach Nihilus, I vote the latter FRA. If not, then I think I'll stay inconclusive.
 
Bruh, you last reply oozes smug all over the place.

And Lucifer dies upon absorption, which is passive.

Unfollowing this. Don't feel like loosing another couple of millions of brain cells.
 
Btw, I noticed 2 issues with Sirzechs' page:

1) His 2nd key speed is "At least Massively Hypersonic, at least Sub-Relativistic (Much faster than before. Comparable to DxD Issei)" lolwut

2) There's no EE on his page.

If Sirzechs' stuff needs to reach Nihilus, I vote the latter FRA. If not, then I think I'll stay inconclusive.

1) These are passive, there is no speed included. Just being near Sirzechs will desintegrate you due to him being the personification of the power of destruction.

Human-Shaped Aura of Destruction : Sirzechs' true form. He can convert himself into the Power of Destruction that destroys everything regardless of his will. The full releasing of his powers caused an earthquake that was felt throughout the Realm of the Dead.

Basically a passive destruction coming out of him, he's also non corporeal in this form as he is not "human" he's just power of destruction. And idk why they are comparing him to DxD issei, there is no accurate power level for full DxD issei, yes he did own Rizevim who is a super devil same as Sirzechs but Rizevim is not even near Sirzechs in power (the dude was called a monster even by Ddraig who if im not mistaken used to be 1 of the 10 strongest beings in the world in his prime). I think our count here is since he used the power of ophis but no one ever stated that he just became ophis in that state it was just said that he used ophis in his transformation since he has part of her power inside of him and the infinity sign was on his gauntlet. Idk rly. Though i REALLY doubt issei is stronger than sirzechs.

2) There is though not actual EE as his power is not that. He just destroys you in body, soul and consciousness to a level where it doesn't exist anymore (the body gets completely desintegrated), and that level of destruction is practically EE.

Again inconclusive why? Nihilus will be slower, unless im missing something.
 
RebubleUselet said:
Bruh, you last reply oozes smug all over the place.
And Lucifer dies upon absorption, which is passive.

Unfollowing this. Don't feel like loosing another couple of millions of brain cells.
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Absorption would be slower than destruction doe. Pulling something would not be instant (unless you can prove it is), unlike Sirzechs passive.
 
All the inconclusive guys, anyone might telling me "why" it becomes inconclusive. When it comes to instantenous effect even the smallest logical time frame counts. So why would Nihilus be = to sirzechs in speed here?
 
Passives are all completely instant there is no difference between them, the mindhax will happen a the same time as the destruction power disintegrates.
 
Right, so they said Sirzechs' Power of Destruction erases things and disintegrates them into nothingness, but I don't know if that's enough for Existence Erasure. I'll look at Volumes 12 and 21 again...eventually.

As for his power being passive, that should be because it spreads without his command. But it'd only happen to an opponent close to him since he actively tries to control it.

Concerning the soul destruction, the only things I remember that suggest such for the Power of Destruction are:

  • Marius telling Rias that he felt like even his soul would be erased when she attacked him. Not really confirmed.
  • Grendel saying it damages the soul and consciousness of Evil Dragons. Note that he only said Evil Dragons, not any other species.
I dunno if I'm missing something else. Actually, isn't Nihilus High 6-A or 5-B?
 
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