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Surely he'd have "at least 1B" on his profile then?SaikouTouhou said:That's like the second thread about this we got...
From what I get, there wasn't any proof of OOA being 0. The term "Omniverse" has changed in Marvel's official definition, and being above a 16 dimensional being doesn't makes you 0.
That's sort of the point right? Omnipotence is so beyond human comprehension we shouldn't even question it. But yeah OAA being put as unknown makes sense.Jockey-1337 said:"Omnipotence" is a logical blackhole while we have nothing to put him above 16-dimensional level.
I think it is definitive proof of him being boundless. He is the author of Marvel, be it Uni-Multi-Mega-Omni-Whatever-Verse. Everything else in marvel is a drawing he creates. It's similar to Azathoth's dreams taking form, yet still being only his 2D dream images.Natse said:I said something along the lines of him being the author but it wasn't as in-depth as what you said. I don't know if you'll convince them though.
It also specified them as two megaverses smaller than the omniverse. "The omniverse is only a single Universe/Dimension etc. The omniverse is everything and there is only one omniverse".Matthew Schroeder said:The new Databook says that both Marvel and DC are in it, actually.
One of the problems was the The Living Tribunal has used the word Omniverse more than once and in a smaller context. This was when he was weaker back in the WHAT IF Korvac comic when he oversaw what happens in the "omniverse". If anything the word omniverse been retconned to be something bigger. There have been other uses of the omniverse as well such as with Mad Jim Jaspers.Matthew Schroeder said:Since you asked for scans:
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^ Old definition of the Omniverse and statement that OAA created it
New Handbook:
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"The Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Cosmic Entities the Brothers, each of whom became the guardian of a diferent Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but emcompassing more than one Multiverse."
.. So.... The Omniverse is Marvel and DC now. What to do.
I'm guessing that it is meant to be any franchise that has crossed over with Marvel / DC? I don't know.
This times a hundred. While feats are indeed important, both powerscaling and statements are also valuable information. For instance: Without statements, no one would ever know that Gold Saints are Star level and Faster than Light. Likewise, without powerscaling, we would end up with an island level Cell.TheMightyRegulator said:...what?
That quote was not highlighting author's intent at all. It was a peptalk, not an author's statement nor does it meet any of the qualifications of tier 0 in any definition.
Though feats are preferable it is not the "end all" you mistakenly believe it to be. Sentry defeated Molecule Man and yet word of god basically confirmed this particular feat as PIS.
What Saiko said as well. Also who was the 9th you had in mind? Azathoth is there twiceMatthew Schroeder said:^ Exactly. If we were to analyse each work of fiction on a case-by-case analysis, we would end up with Omnipotent Characters who sit confortably within Tier 0 of our dimensional scale (Azathoth, The Creator, Divine Presence... While other characters described as omnipotents would be in our 3-A (Truth from FMA comes to mind), or various omnipotents who are currently in our Tier 2.
And really, using our dimensional scale we have obtained 8 Omnipotent characters (While I still think it should be 9 *Cough Cough*), Azathoth (x2), TOAA, The Primal Monitor, Divine Presence, Undoubtedly First, The Creator and Kami Tenchi. If there was only, say, one fictional omnipotent with our scale, then I'd agree it's problematic.
Maybe the use of dimensions isn't such a good example. I'm talking more about other sort of statements. Ones people turn down because they seem like toon force rather than something realistic. Just seems redundant to treat fiction with real-life concepts when that's not what it's all about. But seeing as this wiki is dedicated to arguing things like in a normal, logical debate, I guess I can understand why you do it.Saikou The Lewd King said:What are you talking about..? The only reasons TLT and people like that are so strong is because we USES Dimensional logic on them.
And dude, the point of this Wiki is to compares fictional characters to each others, so we must have a basis, and we uses a Scientific basis for that, since it is the most common. We can't go and assume that a character is omnipotent based on what he is in a single fiction, since we must compare him ot other fictions. That's the whole reasons NLF exists.
Yeah that sounds like standard 1-A stuff, maybe high 1-A like many lovecraftian beings above concepts and such. Maybe comparable to Yog-Sothoth aka The One In All and All In one... The Key and the GateMatthew Schroeder said:@Mandrakk
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U-DO
This guy. I tried making a case for him as Tier 0, but plenty of Mods rejected, although Everlasting still agrees with me.
Basically, in his verse there are two domains of reality, each with two layers. The lowest layer, the fourth one, is the 4D space-time humanity can interact and perceive (Known as the Real Number Domain). The layer above, the third one, is where all of concepts and ideas bound by human comprehension and understanding of dimensions exist (Known as the Imaginary Number Domain).
Above this, in the Higher Domain of Reality, we have a similar dual-layer structure. A reality where a universe filled with beings above the concept of dimensions exist, and a conceptual layer where all concepts and ideas bound by their comprehension exist (I.E, things we humans can't even begin to imagine).
U-DO is the boundless creator intellect who gave birth to all this, existing in a level of existence above the four layers, where "No equal can exist".