Can Tier 0 be "Evil"?

[AppleMaker]

Knowing that Tier 0 encompasses and is a source of everything, and basically every other Tier 0 is basically the same thing, but with different aspects - can it be an aspect of something "evil"? Basically, could the source of all evil, suffering and pain be from a Tier 0 or such conceptual/sensual things are automatically part of much lower structures and cannot be from a Tier 0 (since again, different tier 0's have different aspects/operate differently and that one could be the most "evil" out of them, since it's omnipotence mostly shown through omnipresent endless suffering of everything)?

 

[SuperNova55555]

You can posit it as the source of evil in a derivative sense, that's fine. But it's a disqualifier on what you mean by saying "is evil".

Things like thomistics theology (and many others) hold that evil is a privation of goodness, and not a separate being. If it's taken in that sense, then evil is impermissable, since it'd mean Pure Act (Being-itself) is in privation.

But if evil and goodness are defined as respective beings, then Tier 0 cannot be one or the other, since that'd cause division and/or the privation of the other (thus must be the unity of both in simplicity), which is an imperfection disqualifying Tier 0 inherently.

 

[AppleMaker]

You can posit it as the source of evil in a derivative sense, that's fine. But it's a disqualifier on what you mean by saying "is evil".

Things like thomistics theology (and many others) hold that evil is a privation of goodness, and not a separate being. If it's taken in that sense, then evil is impermissable, since it'd mean Pure Act (Being-itself) is in privation.

But if evil and goodness are defined as respective beings, then Tier 0 cannot be one or the other, since that'd cause division and/or the privation of the other (thus must be the unity of both in simplicity), which is an imperfection disqualifying Tier 0 inherently.

Well, I put "evil" in quotation marks for a reason, since it's obvioulsy isn't a being or the only evilness specifically. What I mean is "Could Tier 0 have some evilness aspect to it, like Morality manipulation, Pain manipulation, Madness manipulation and Empathic manipulation (since the verse is complete mess and mostly consists out of endless pain and suffering), or those aspects are complete disqualifier for Tier 0?"

 

[SuperNova55555]

Well, I put "evil" in quotation marks for a reason, since it's obvioulsy isn't a being or the only evilness specifically. What I mean is "Could Tier 0 have some evilness aspect to it, like Morality manipulation, Pain manipulation, Madness manipulation and Empathic manipulation in favor of Evil (since the verse is complete mess and mostly consists out of endless pain and suffering), or those aspects are complete disqualifier for Tier 0?"

"Aspect" here implies division. A Tier 0s will is identical to it's Essence and Being.

 

[AppleMaker]

"Aspect" here implies division. A Tier 0s will is identical to it's Essence and Being.

So short answer to my question - no, it disqualifies it from tier 0?

 

[SuperNova55555]

So short answer to my question - no, it disqualifies it from tier 0?

If it's intrinsically evil then very likely not Tier 0.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

You can posit it as the source of evil in a derivative sense, that's fine. But it's a disqualifier on what you mean by saying "is evil".

Things like thomistics theology (and many others) hold that evil is a privation of goodness, and not a separate being. If it's taken in that sense, then evil is impermissable, since it'd mean Pure Act (Being-itself) is in privation.

But if evil and goodness are defined as respective beings, then Tier 0 cannot be one or the other, since that'd cause division and/or the privation of the other (thus must be the unity of both in simplicity), which is an imperfection disqualifying Tier 0 inherently.

An omnimalevolent tier 0 is fine tbh. You just need to shift the fundamental nature of the tier 0 a bit compared to christian counterpart.

 

[Mbpoops]

Tier evil 0

 

[SuperNova55555]

An omnimalevolent tier 0 is fine tbh.

You'd have to posit goodness as the privation of evil for that but that seems extremely odd and likely contradicts stuff down the line

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

You'd have to posit goodness as the privation of evil for that but that seems extremely odd and likely contradicts stuff down the line

you can make it work with well placed "well actually"

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Well, I put "evil" in quotation marks for a reason, since it's obvioulsy isn't a being or the only evilness specifically. What I mean is "Could Tier 0 have some evilness aspect to it, like Morality manipulation, Pain manipulation, Madness manipulation and Empathic manipulation (since the verse is complete mess and mostly consists out of endless pain and suffering), or those aspects are complete disqualifier for Tier 0?"

If it is as in "anything that tries to perceive it gets lost in endless pain and madness" or that type of thing, it's fine.
If it's like "the tier 0 has multiple aspects, one side is good and one side is evil", then no.

Though even the 2nd case can sometimes be circumvented if the "aspects" are just some characters viewing intervention from a tier 0 as good and some seeing it as evil.

 

[Jin2188]

Tier 0 is the archetype of existence itself, meaning that it represents what all things fundamentally are at their core. In that sense, it's absolutely possible for that to be "evil", or "good" or even "green", so long as it's a quality that literally all things share.

We even had a sort-of "evil" Tier 0 in the past, that being the Supreme Archetype from the Cthulhu Mythos, before we all decided to

and demote it to High 1-B+.