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Spider-Man vs Raven, except its balanced.

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So these two happen to be my favourite Marvel and DC characters and have balanced stats. Who would have thought? Both characters fight at their full potiential, fight takes place in a city, Low 7-C forms (but not Peter's "The Other"), and because Raven has some decent hax I think I won't equalize speed. It'll shake things up a bit. Who wins and why?

Spider-Man: 1 (EgePGN)

Raven (Teen Titans): 7 (GabrielMaster721, Jackythejack, Arrogant Schmuck, Jimboydejuan12, ShadowWarrior1999, Apatheticskell, Wokistan)

Inconclusive:
 
I think you're only supposed to bump once a day. This seems interesting, I'll get back to this when it's not the middle of the night.
 
Wokistan said:
I think you're only supposed to bump once a day. This seems interesting, I'll get back to this when it's not the middle of the night.
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Alright. Sorry I semi forgot the bumping rules.
 
An interesting fight however I don't think Spidey has many ways to get around Raven's flight or magic. If we give Spidey the Iron Spider or the Symbiote suit, I can see him winning with all of Iron Spider's enchantments or Symbiote's power boosts, but still Raven could win. If we go for normal Spidey I go Raven, for MK IV, Iron Spidey or Symbiote I go inconclusive.
 
EgePGN said:
An interesting fight however I don't think Spidey has many ways to get around Raven's flight or magic. If we give Spidey the Iron Spider or the Symbiote suit, I can see him winning with all of Iron Spider's enchantments or Symbiote's power boosts, but still Raven could win. If we go for normal Spidey I go Raven, for MK IV, Iron Spidey or Symbiote I go inconclusive.
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I probably should have mentioned this is normal Spidey. So I'll give your vote to Raven?
 
Raven takes this. Spidey probably can't get around Raven's abilities, as stated above, at least while in base form, without his other suits or the simbiote.
 
2 points to Raven (and I don't know why I double checked on asking about giving the vote when EgePGN made it clear)
 
Inconclusive.

Raven has the Flight and Intangibility going for her but that's about it. Thanks to Spider-Man's speed advantage heal be faster in combat so he can easily dodgr her and her blasts especially with the spidersense which will also make it hard for her to sneak up on him.

Basically Neither one will hit the other, Revenue flies and gets out of reach of Spiderman or goes intangible to phase through his attacks. Spiderman effortlessly dodges her attacks. The two just give up and go home.
 
Alternatively the fight goes on like that until Raven eventually decides to simply have her astral projection enter Spidey's mind and put him to sleep
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
Raven's missing a lot of abilities tbh.
But even then, she just goes intangible and escapes the webs.
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Can you name some of the abilities this version of Raven is missing? Maybe even pinpoint the episodes she showcased them?
 
Arrogant Schmuck said:
Alternatively the fight goes on like that until Raven eventually decides to simply have her astral projection enter Spidey's mind and put him to sleep
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And what happens to her physical body when her astral form leaves it?, I doubt it fights on it's own but whatever. I already gave my vote.
 
In the episode "Haunted" her physical body was meditating while her Astral Body searched the tower and eventualy took over Robins mind when she found him.

I am uncertain but I think later episodes showed even her physical body transforming to her astral body, bypassing that vulnerability with a helpless body.
 
RavenSupreme said:
Can you name some of the abilities this version of Raven is missing? Maybe even pinpoint the episodes she showcased them?
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I'm slowly but surely compiling a list of them as I rewatch episodes but Astral Projection, Berserk Mode, and possibly Empathic, Sleep, Fear, Mind, Illusion, and Pocket Reality Manipulation.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Inconclusive.
Raven has the Flight and Intangibility going for her but that's about it. Thanks to Spider-Man's speed advantage heal be faster in combat so he can easily dodgr her and her blasts especially with the spidersense which will also make it hard for her to sneak up on him.

Basically Neither one will hit the other, Revenue flies and gets out of reach of Spiderman or goes intangible to phase through his attacks. Spiderman effortlessly dodges her attacks. The two just give up and go home.
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I'm not sure I'm allowed to state my opinion too much, but in terms of tagging one another, what about Raven's time stop?
 
I don't remember her stopping time in combat with the exception of Slad and I don't remember her ever doing it again.
 
This thread reminds me that we still have Blue Ravens shields at 7C while they are at 5A. Need to finally change that.
 
@RavenSupreme

What makes them 5-A?

Honestly, Raven's page needs better explanation of some of her powers like her Soul Manipulation and Time Manipulation.
 
I will just copy it from another thread here:

Another thing I like to add: While Raven in blue surely is not as powerful as her white incarnation, her shields have been powerful enough already to protect her teammates from Trigons on screen world wiping, which was calced at 5A. Her shields are way more potent than her AP in blue.

The shields blocked the actual attack which resulted in the calculation and tiering in the first place. And it was while she was still in blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFh8vS4rl6s&feature=youtu.be

It was in the first 1-2 seconds. Take a look at the protective black shields surrounding all of the Titans. In the episode later they comment on it. The rest of the clip is the attack which got calced to 5A.

I also have to add another thing: Melchior. a demon spellcaster strong enough to manhandle White Raven in S3 (pre-Trigon) could not put a dent on regular blue Ravens shields in S5 (post Trigon), further underlining her shields have even got stronger.

If someone has the ability to bypass her shielding her actual body durability does not live up to it unfortunately. Yes, she can pinpoint her shield to whatever she likes (e.g. an actual orb barrier where she sits in and lets the enemy tire out (happened). or just a flick with her hand which creates a little barrier to block an incoming strike, but her physical durability is nowhere near that level on her own, hanging at ~7C like her profile suggest is valid.

https://imgur.com/a/BbrofhI

this specific scene and incoming attack from the right is from the Melchior dude I mentioned earlier, who in a previous season wrecked her while she was in even white.

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Sorry for the wall of text. I simply copy/pasted it. TLDR:

Blue Raven Shields guarded her teammates from 5A attack at ground zero

White Raven S3 got trashed by Enemy called Melchior in S3

Blue Raven S5 finale withstood Melchiors attacks with ease
 
Seems a little one sided now that she has another way to stop his attacks.
 
The problem is that her profile is so messy. Abilities. Tiers. Descriptions. All over the place.

But Yeha, feels one sided with the actual barrier dura
 
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