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Diarmuid vs. C├║, but it's not Fate

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I can't have them fight in Fate, but I can make them fight from the myths, hopefully.

Speed is not equalized, both are 9-B. Combatants start at twenty meters.

Fate/Stay night -

Fate/Zero - 4 (Iapitus, Voltron, Anonymous, Pixel)

800px-Cuinbattle
I have better fan art

Heroes of the dawn (1914) (14772697833)
Okay
 
This one is tricky. I would say diarmuid has my vote. His possible durability negation, his Regenerationn negating javelins, his farther range, and his healing cup would give him an edge.
 
Fate/Stay night -

Fate/Zero - 1 (Voltron)

To be fair, I think Cu has better feats overall. IDK where the dura negation comes from, it's regen negation only. Also, invisibility would be a great strategic advantage for Cu.
 
Diarmuids sword, Moraltach, can supposedly cut through anything. That's where I got the Durability Negation from. Invisibilty is a good ability he has, but he rarely uses it in his tales when he fights opponents.
 
Oh, I know that (I've read some of the myths myself, and I have a friend who's an absolute nut about mythology in general)

It's just that it's not on his profile, and I wouldn't feel comfortable adding it without a source, and even then "cut through anything" usually doesn't mean much in mythology, sort of like "unbreakable" (Achilles actually never being invulnerable, Beowulf's swords failing them despite being called infallible)

So, I suppose I'd need text where the sword actually negates dura, IDK.
 
I can't find a feat where he actually does negate dura, only descriptions

"...and he took the Moralltach, that is, the sword of Angus of the Brug, at his left side; which sword left no stroke nor blow unfinished at the first trial."

http://www.maryjones.us/ctexts/diarmuid.html

https://www.sacredfire.net/feniancycle.html

This can be said for his other weapons and armor since they have no feats.

Also it is on diarmuids profile under attack potency.
 
Dude, I looked at the edit history. You added it like 10 minutes ago. I wouldn't just add the power on there, and you put it on AP, not Powers and Abilities, which is where it should be placed. Clearly there is disagreement on the matter, so it's best if we have a revision thread first before you add stuff to profiles.

We can't assume it negates durability because of a statement, especially one so broad as that, considering that in myth it's commonplace for weapons to be described as infalliable yet never actually perform as such. I wouln't even put it at "possibly".

There's still the issue of Cu's much greater variety of feats and arguably much greater strength, and even then if Cu lands a hit with his spear, it'll fill Diarmuid with barbs I doubt he'll be able to recover from.
 
I did not add it in at the last second. I changed a spelling mistake in the profile which you can see on the previous edits in the history.

Since it is just a statement is why I made it "possibly". In Diarmuids tales, this statement has neither been confirmed nor falsified (As far as I have read), but it was important enough for the narrator to mention it. If the birdseye-view narrator mentions it, chances are it has some chance of being right.

And thank you for pointing out where durability negation should go so I can fix it.

It is true the gaebolg would give cu an edge, but it would be pretty unwieldy since he has to throw it with the foot. Also, it is unknown what the extent of diarmuids cup of healing could heal him from.
 
I mean, assuming the spear fills the entire body with barbs, it would instantly kill Diarmuid. The AP and Dura gap are still quite large, as well.

Dura Negation is still under AP, not powers, and you should remove it while we discuss the profile itself, as I oppose to it being on there. Again, Diarmuid has never demonstrated Dura Neg, and that statement could just be interpreted as praising the quality of the spear. There is so little to go on for the power that it shouldn't even be on the profile.
 
Look, when in comes down to who would win in a fight, I think we have to agree to disagree. I'm not budging and you're not budging. So, I think it would be best if we left it at that (Unless you absolutely want to argue about it more, then fine). I don't even know why you're trying to convince me otherwise. The point of these threads is to have people vote on who would win between two characters and why they choose this (which is what I did).

I think we will need a 3rd or more party to help decide if Moralltach is substantial enough to stay on the profile with dura negation. Also, I moved dura negation to powers and abilities.

It also seems to me you are not reading the profile very intently. You say Moralltach is a spear (which it is not, it is a sword), in the beginning, you said dura negation wasn't on the profile (which it was), and you accused me of adding in the dura negation at the last second (Which I didn't. I added it when I created the the article. You can see this in the edit history)
 
You know what, sorry for making assumptions. I saw that you edited the profile right after we discussed the dura negation, and I thought you had added it last minute. As for the spear/sword issue, I was tired and likely fumbled on typing.

I'm allowed to share my own opinions on VS threads I create; while I can't vote, I can argue. I'm a fan of the characters as well, and I saw reasons Cu would win the fight, so I thought I'd post them.

And yes, a 3rd party opinion would be beneficial.
 
Thank you for your apology and explanation.

Of course you're allowed to share your opinion on this thread and other threads in this wiki. I was just confused on why you would try to argue if you couldn't vote, but you clarified why you chose to do so, so I am no longer confused.
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
Diarmuid FRA
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Cu can still kill Diarmuid just as easily with his spear by causing his body to be filled with barbs, but with hindsight this is closer than I made it out to be.

Diarmuid - 2 (Iapitus, Voltron)

Cu - 0
 
tfw your oldest matches are suddenly getting votes

Diarmuid - 3 (Iapitus, Voltron, Anonymous)

Cu - 0
 
Dargoo Faust said:
tfw your oldest matches are suddenly getting votes
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Boi...it probably would've been long over if you had put it in the right board ovo
 
Diarmuid - 4 (Iapitus, Voltron, Anonymous, Pixel)

Cu - 0
 
Can't Cu use invisibility though?
 
Not using it often =/= not being willing to use it

...I don't see DUD countering invis
 
Perhaps not. It all depends how likely Cu is going to use it since he's only used it once.
 
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