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Some simple revisions for Dante (Really simple, not 3-A and these stuff)

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Summarizing the abilities to add

Dante (some of this Heart Abilities he already have via other stuff, but here it's just about the Hearts)

- Flight (Via Devil Trigger and Aerial Heart)

- Healing (Via Devil Trigger, can enhance this ability with Healing Heart)

- Fire Manipulation (via Fire Heart, it also heals Dante from any Fire Damage)

- Eletricity Manipulation (via Electro Heart)

- Ice Manipulation (via Frost Heart)

- Time Manipulation (Slow down time with Chrono Heart)

- Stats Amplification (Via Devil Trigger, Quick Heart and Offence Heart, boosting his speed (by Ten Times --- https://imgur.com/a/JIB0w) and strengh respectively)

- Possible resistance to Time Stop (With Sparda Devil Trigger, Dante have his father's power)

- Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Via Rebellion)

- Holy Manipulation via Rebellion (In the Anime, Dante threw Rebellion at a possessed Elena Houston and it separated the demon from her)

- Resistance to Holy Manipulation (It was not affected by the amulet of Allan Lowell, who reacted to demonic power and was able to reduce demons to dust, even very weak demons like Sid were burned)

Sparda

- Possible Resistance to Time Stop (Scalling from other Mundus' generals, and all of them have shown resistance to Time Stop)

- Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Via Rebellion)

Lucia

- She have all those Hearts, and the Aqua Heart,it enhances the user's ability to move in water.

- Original Post:

So, in Dante's profile is said that he has Time Manipulation via Quicksilver and Bangle of time, so is missing the Chrono Heart that he gets in DMC 2

There are other Hearts that have some skills, such as Flight (Aerial heart), Fire manipulation (Flame heart), Lighting Manipulation (Electro heart), Ice manipulation (Frost heart), Healing (via Healing Heart, but this already exists in all Devil triggers, this Heart only enhances this effect), Speed Amp (via Quick heart) and Attack Amp (via the Offence Heart)

Some of these are already on his profile via other stuff, like Devil Arms or Styles, but it's good make a profile more complete, right ? Like I said, it's simple, but importante, those Hearts are the basic for DMC2 Dante arsenal

Lucia and Trish also use those, but Trish's appearance in DMC2 is not canonical so they should not be considered

Remembering that these items are canonical since to move from certain scenarios you need to use them, so...
 
I honestly have no idea why this stuff wasn't added a while ago to be honest

Agreed with the abilities, the speed I disagree with.
 
I agree with all of the stuff, but I'm iffy on light for Argosax. The needles are seen to hit Dante, which makes it not legitimate. And Beowulf was said multiple times to not have SoL attacks.

I'm still not sure if Quicksilver multiplies the speed by 488 times or 488%. The latter seems safer, since Dante would have 2,16% LS movement speed with it if we were to take the former into consideration (I know it's calc stacking but still), which seems a bit outlierish.

But looking at the calc, 488 times makes more sense, and if it goes through, the "higher with Quicksilver" should be changed to "far higher with Quicksilver"
 
Great, thanks Gar and Reb ;)

So, some things here

As you can see in Quicksilver Cutscene, it almost freezes time:

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTKpDRP-KUw

So a big multiplier it's already expected, it would make Dante... 4,6% SoL X 488 = OH MY GOD

And where it was stated that Beowulf's Light it's not Lightspeed ? Anyway, that scan shows In-game Dante blocking Beowulf's DT activatio, which is basically a Flash of Light, and not one of his projectiles
 
Yeah no, Sub Rel+ ain't happening, you can't jump tiersnwothout being stupidly close.

It isn't just for Dante but Mewtwo and Madara as well.

That said, wasn't there a feat involving Sparta putting a spear through Earth?
 
The criterias for light are pretty strict on this wiki, and the attack simply being a "Flash of Light" is not enough. So isn't statements. It should have real light properties (like being intangible) and not be an outlier (which are pretty strong with DMC tbh)
 
abilities i'm down for 100% but light is SUPER strict so iffy sadly. Quicksilver's amp is unknown idk but we put higher with quicksilver

And yeah that spear rending shit we never asked for calc RIP
 
I've asked Matt about this as well

Apparently, he didn't put it through, he put it into the Earth and the spear is implied to be the Temen-ni-gru tower. And the feat is not going to yield any notable results, because yeah, Sparda just put it into the Earth and that was it.

I would like to see the scan again though, because I still want to see it
 
Gargoyle One said:
Yeah no, Sub Rel+ ain't happening, you can't jump tiersnwothout being stupidly close.

It isn't just for Dante but Mewtwo and Madara as well.

That said, wasn't there a feat involving Sparta putting a spear through Earth?
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It would happen with Quick Heart, it (almost) doubles Dante's speed, a simple calc from DMC2 Gameplay would see how much it amps, run x meters with base Dante, take the time needed, then run the same distance with DT Dante, and take the new time needed

if it makes Dante 1,1X times faster, it would make him Sub Rel + in combat and Reactions
 
So we added resistance to spatial manipulation to Dante's page via rebellion

And should sparda have resistance to time stop all of mundus's general have resistance to time stop and Sparda before his rebellion was a general to mundus

I have asked Matt about a laser attack from one of the demons in 3 here are the things going for it being a real laser

Travels in the straight line

Always moves at the same speed

Is intangible

What do you guys think is it good enough
 
Resistance to Spatial Manipulation via Rebellion should be fine

Not sure about Time Stop for Sparda. Would like to see the opinion of others

Even if all of the 3 criterias are met, the feat still seems outlierish
 
Resistance to Spatial Manipulation via Rebellion should be fine┬▓

i think "Possibly resistance to Time Stop" should be fine for him

Is there anyone who disagree with the Hearts thing that I pointed here ?
 
With "Abilities" you mean only the Hearts or Sparda's abilities listed here aswell ?

About Quicksilver, lol, I didn't know that, can you give me the link about this calculation ? I'm just curious

And the Quick Heart amp could be calculated, I mean, by the gameplay should increase in a maximum 1,5 or 2 times, would not be a Outlier, Dante in DMC2 is much faster than Argosax who's MHs+ with Sub Rel Reactions aswell
 
Idk if Dante can get Sub-Rel+ with Quick Heart via gameplay

But if Hearts' abilities and Time Stop resistance for Sparda are fine, then I see no issue
 
Gargoyle One said:
Question

Didn't Dante resist the time things in DMC4
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You mean the Key of Cronus?

Idk, Nero could resist aswell, but I think the owner of the Key doesn't get affected, so anyone with it can slow down time when near that device

But it's possible, let's wait more posts
 
Gargoyle One said:
Question

Didn't Dante resist the time things in DMC4
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Chrono Key? Nope,they're so you can use the machines to slow down time and none are around during the Dante fight
 
With nero when you use the machines if you are fast enough and make it to the end you do get attack by demons and they are effect by the time slow
 
During Dante's first mission, there's a room that you can use the Time Slow during the fight, you just need to explore a little

But like I said, I think the device doesn't affect the user
 
It seems so, but Lightspeed DMC it's not going to be accepted, I think

We need someone to add these abilities for Dante, Sparda and Lucia, like this:

Dante (some of this Heart Abilities he already have via other stuff, but here it's just about the Hearts)

- Flight (Via Devil Trigger and Aerial Heart)

- Healing (Via Devil Trigger, can enhance this ability with Healing Heart)

- Fire Manipulation (via Fire Heart)

- Eletricity Manipulation (via Electro Heart)

- Time Manipulation (Slow down time with Chrono Heart)

- Stats Amplification (Via Devil Trigger, Quick Heart and Offence Heart, boosting his speed and strengh respectively)

- Possible resistance to Time Stop (With Sparda Devil Trigger, Dante have his father's power)

- Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Via Rebellion)

Sparda

- Possible Resistance to Time Stop (Scalling from other Mundus' generals, and all of them have shown resistance to Time Stop)

- Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Via Rebellion)

Lucia

- She have all those Hearts, and the Aqua Heart,it enhances the user's ability to move in water.
 
Oh, I forgot that, it's fixed now ;)

I think it will be considered Outlier, but the Lasers might be real, is there a scan or something with Dante dodging the Laser ?
 
Tbh anything that comes from fodders and is even remotely close to top-tiers feat is an outlier (including the stuff above)
 
I got another one

"In Devil May Cry: The Animated Series, Dante threw Rebellion at a possessed Elena Houston and it separated the demon from her. It is unknown whether this is a power of Rebellion or a technique of Dante's as this was the only time it was used."

http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Rebellion?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-footer-wiki-rec#Dormant

What kind of hax this would be ? He already have Holy Manipulation, but it seems that the Majin Form it's not necessary, as he needed to use it in the manga, but in the Anime is much more "simple" for Dante to use this
 
Speaking about holy manipulation I think Dante might have resistance to it

In the anime Dante is guarding a amulet when normal demons get close to it there are turned to ash even Sid a really weak demon was burned from getting to close to it

But Dante had it in his pocket for most of the episode at one point he had it in his mouth and was completely fine
 
Some people said that is because his Human Side

But Dante have much more demonic power than Normal Sid, and was intact, so I agree, it was stated that it react to Demonic Power, and Dante could fight with that
 
Healing in Devil Trigger = much faster regen

And how does Sparda have resistance to time stop? I might have to play through the games again.

And tbh quicksilver should be defined as time slow to a near stop, considering these rocks weren't moving when he first used the ability, but they started falling when he walked away. It's the same case with Bayo, you can notice stuff moving in the background but it's really potent, as shown in the scenes when you really first use witch time.
 
In DMC1, all Mundus' Generals, including Nelo Angelo, are resistant to Time Stop

Sparda was a Mundus' General, so...

Anyone disagree with this ?

- Flight (Via Devil Trigger and Aerial Heart)

- Healing (Via Devil Trigger, can enhance this ability with Healing Heart)

- Fire Manipulation (via Fire Heart)

- Eletricity Manipulation (via Electro Heart)

- Ice Manipulation (via Frost Heart)

- Time Manipulation (Slow down time with Chrono Heart)

- Stats Amplification (Via Devil Trigger, Quick Heart and Offence Heart, boosting his speed and strengh respectively)

- Possible resistance to Time Stop (With Sparda Devil Trigger, Dante have his father's power)

- Resistance to Spatial Manipulation (Via Rebellion)

- Holy Manipulation via Rebellion (In the Anime, Dante threw Rebellion at a possessed Elena Houston and it separated the demon from her)

- Resistance to Holy Manipulation (It was not affected by the amulet of Allan Lowell, who reacted to demonic power and was able to reduce demons to dust, even very weak demons like Sid were burned)
 
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