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Smoker vs Juvia Lockser

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Graf_Thorsdottir

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Haven't done a FT thread in a while, an OP thread even more so. I just hope it doesn't turn to Muk

Rules
Speed: Equal

Place: Sydney Harbour Bridge. Fight start with each of them at opposite ends of the Bridge

Mind set: In-character.

Knowledge: None

Victory: Death or KO

Versions: Pre-TS Smoker vs Tartarus arc Juvia

Verse equalization is in effect, so Smoker's jittle is tipped with magic seal stone

Smoker2
Juvia Lockser
Smoky: 5 (Tryhard, velox, Iapitus, ZackMoon, glass)

Juvia: 2? (9TailAcno?, Mickey1940)

Inconclusive: 4 (hst master, kazuma, Gargoyle, BlackeJan)
 
Actually we can't equalize Haki or Devil Fruits to other energies like Magic, Reiatsu, Chakra etc. As for the match itself I'll wait before voting.
 
I never equalized haki or devil fruit with magic though... This version of Smoker doesn't have Haki to begin with...

The only equalized thing here is sea stone = magic seal stone. Both serve similar function in their respective verse
 
I will go with Smoker, Juvia's only advantage is her water based abilities however seeing that Smoker is no fool and has years of experience ahead of her and if she decides to use water lock Smoker can always use Logia disperse to dodge it or incease his size to capture her in his smoke by manipulation its density. Her water body would be tricky but seeing verse equalisation is in check he can still damage her with his Jittle however if it wasn't for that Juvia would of won seeing Smoker could of done nothing.

Giving it to Smoker high-diff thanks to Juvia's water abilities.
 
Hmmm.....incoclusive

while all of what Tryhard said is true,Juvia ultimately has the location advantage able to use the water from the harbor or even simply stay inside it, Smoker won't attempt to follow her due to being a devil fruit user, I'm not sure if she could attempt to destroy(or at least disarm) him with the water from the harbor tho. So to top it off

-Juvia has the environmental advantage

-Both can become intangible

-Smoker has his jittle which could cancel out water body

-Juvia could stay and attack from the water
 
I don´t see how Smoker can win,okey,he has his weapon,but if Juvia get touch,she will do everything to dodge that weapon the next time,and like HST master said,she could attack from the water

Smoker only has one method to harm her,so is inconclusive or the one who get tired first
 
Hst master said:
Hmmm.....incoclusive
while all of what Tryhard said is true,Juvia ultimately has the location advantage able to use the water from the harbor or even simply stay inside it, Smoker won't attempt to follow her due to being a devil fruit user, I'm not sure if she could attempt to destroy(or at least disarm) him with the water from the harbor tho. So to top it off

-Juvia has the environmental advantage

-Both can become intangible

-Smoker has his jittle which could cancel out water body

-Juvia could stay and attack from the water
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I see where you are getting at but Juvia does not know that Smoker is weak to water, and once he sees what she is up to he will corner her trapping her in his smoke and the Jittle will keep her in place making it harder for get out. Plus he can always increase his size to avoid being covered by large amounts of water as well as making it harder for her to escape. As for Juvia disarming Smoker its highly unlikely Smoker is a trained soldier skilled in fighting/tracking with a lot of years experience to back it up.
 
Juvia doesn't need to know Smoker's weakness to water to attack though, water is literally her magic. Knowledge or not, Juvia will still use water

Also to clarify, magic seal stone literally only seals the magic of the person in contact with it. It does not weaken magic user through contact like DF users touching sea stone
 
Graf Thorsdottir said:
Juvia doesn't need to know Smoker's weakness to water to attack though, water is literally her magic. Knowledge or not, Juvia will still use water
Also to clarify, magic seal stone literally only seals the magic of the person in contact with it. It does not weaken magic user through contact like DF users touching sea stone
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Agreed, but I just wanted to say if she wanted to generate a larger amount of water or hide in the harbour Smoker will know whats up.

Got it.
 
@Tryhard

Ah but remember Juvia is slouch either, she was skilled enough to become a S-Class mage in phantom lord and was reccommended as soon as she joined fairy tail. Juvia would notice how much Smoker is going through to dodge her strikes. At this point she knows she has an entire harbor below her and cover her getaway using Water. Once she gets in she doesn't really have any reason to leave the harbor, she can stay submerged as long as she wants. Smoker couldn't chase after her or risk getting his DF powers cancelled out and drowning. While Juvia unless she disarms him from the sheer force of her attacks(not martial arts experience sorry if you thought that lol) can't get a solid hit due to Smoker's Logia, her only choice would be to try and bombard him until he lets go of his jittle from the sheer volume or covers at least half his body with water.

Oh and Seal Stones essentially only stop a user from using magic not cancel out attacks, so it would only be able to stop her from using water body.
 
Hst master said:
@Tryhard
Ah but remember Juvia is slouch either, she was skilled enough to become a S-Class mage in phantom lord and was reccommended as soon as she joined fairy tail. Juvia would notice how much Smoker is going through to dodge her strikes. At this point she knows she has an entire harbor below her and cover her getaway using Water. Once she gets in she doesn't really have any reason to leave the harbor, she can stay submerged as long as she wants. Smoker couldn't chase after her or risk getting his DF powers cancelled out and drowning. While Juvia unless she disarms him from the sheer force of her attacks(not martial arts experience sorry if you thought that lol) can't get a solid hit due to Smoker's Logia, her only choice would be to try and bombard him until he lets go of his jittle from the sheer volume or covers at least half his body with water.

Oh and Seal Stones essentially only stop a user from using magic not cancel out attacks, so it would only be able to stop her from using water body.
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However her being a S-Class mage is not that impressive, through out FT I never seen proper expert hand to hand users rather brawling. Plus her becoming a S-Class mage could be the result of her power, like other FT members in their trials. Yes but Smoker would know as well seeing that he would try harder to capture her, he will keep increases the smokes density to immobilise her then attacking her with the Jittle if she decides to use water body before she has the chance to get into the water. True she can disarm him with large amounts of water but his Logia abilities would allow him to get closer by dispersing.

Thanks for the info.
 
Actually it does require skill, as if it was only their strength alone, Natsu and co being close to Erza would certainly be S-Class. The only way for Smoker to remotely touch Juvia is via his jittle, without it he can't make contact even with smoke, let alone immobilize her with it. And she can keep him back via Water Dome and Lock to get to the water in time. Also her Water has good AoE to get past his dispersion.
 
Juvia can manipulate any water, also water lock technique is can easily caputure smoker in a water bubble instantly, smoker can be killed by other things like using sea water, water so juvia cam instantly to this, and even she run out of magic, she can absorb water to refill her power.
 
Hst master said:
Actually it does require skill, as if it was only their strength alone, Natsu and co being close to Erza would certainly be S-Class. The only way for Smoker to remotely touch Juvia is via his jittle, without it he can't make contact even with smoke, let alone immobilize her with it. And she can keep him back via Water Dome and Lock to get to the water in time. Also her Water has good AoE to get past his dispersion.
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That really does not explain much, most members in FT are mainly skilled brawlers or swordsmen but nothing says their skills are on par with military training combined with years of experience like Smoker so the gap is quite big no offence to FT. Yes I am aware of that however ever time she would use Water Body to get out of the smoke, Smoker can hit her with the Jittle as a counter however his smoke could still effect her, I will explain as I go on. Juvia isn't the only one with AOE Smokers moves focus on capturing his enemies near/far, plus Water Dome is not keeping out the smoke. Even while Luffy was underwater in Arlong Park his DF was never negated to the water rather him being imobile to do anything (So as long as Smoker is not covered fully in water is DF will still effect Juvia). Finally he can always use White Launcher to boost his mobility to tag Juvia before he uses any of her moves to defend not needing to encase her with White Out.
 
DF users start to be affected by water if so much as half of their bodies are covered in water, therefore they are unable to use their abilities due to being immobilized. In order to use his Jittle he has to materialize his hands which he can't both attempt to encase Juvia and hit her with his Jittle. Water Dome acts as a shield to keep out attacks and blend with water. And Juvia can counter White Launcher with Sierra which also increases her mobility.

Also FT members are skilled enough to fight their own countries special military force the Garou Knights, again not saying it makes Juvia the best at hand to hand(She actually does get better post second timeskip tho)
 
Hst master said:
DF users start to be affected by water if so much as half of their bodies are covered in water, therefore they are unable to use their abilities due to being immobilized. In order to use his Jittle he has to materialize his hands which he can't both attempt to encase Juvia and hit her with his Jittle. Water Dome acts as a shield to keep out attacks and blend with water. And Juvia can counter White Launcher with Sierra which also increases her mobility.
Also FT members are skilled enough to fight their own countries special military force the Garou Knights, again not saying it makes Juvia the best at hand to hand(She actually does get better post second timeskip tho)
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I know but Smoker is not covered in water thanks to his Logia disperse, and I never really said that really rather giving Smoker more options in the fight with Juvia. If she blends with the water wouldn't Smoker still be able to harm her with the Jittle so her defence is more of an opening. Meanwhile I think if Juvia decides to increase her mobility that would play into Smokers advantage seeing that he can either encase her with White Out then using his Jittle if she uses Water Body.

Right but has she ever decided to do hand to hand with one of them rather than using magic (My memory is fuzzy so I don't remember things that happen in Fairytail). Either way Smoker is more experienced and has the proper training to go with it.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I remember that the DF user are weak to sea water,and Juvia water is not an sea water so no she can't immobilize him.
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Hard,how about this,is DF user only affected by sea water and not basic water?
 
Er no. That's exclusive for Dragon/ God/ Devil Slayer magic users only.

I see her to doing it in an episode( i am not lying really) but i forget in which episode
 
Hard,how about this,is DF user only affected by sea water and not basic water?

Still smoker a human we dont know if he can break water look of juvia and if not juvia will kill by drowning him
 
9TailAcno said:
Hard,how about this,is DF user only affected by sea water and not basic water?
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Still smoker a human we dont know if he can break water look of juvia and if not juvia will kill by drowning him
You know Logia disperse counters Water Lock right and does it matter if he is human...

Which episode you have to clarify, I never seen Juvia absorb water to increase her stamina that trait goes to th God or Dragon Slayers.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I remember that the DF user are weak to sea water,and Juvia water is not an sea water so no she can't immobilize him.
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What? DF Users are weakened by being in water in general whether sea or not

@Tryhard The whole point of using Sierra is to avoid White Out, and get to the harbor faster, it also keeps smoker at bay with all the water she releases during it. The whole "blend with water" doesn't do much in this situation, I was just stating it's secondary ability.

@Acno She can't absorb Water, but she can manipulate other bodies of it, like the Harbor below them
 
Hst master said:
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I remember that the DF user are weak to sea water,and Juvia water is not an sea water so no she can't immobilize him.
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What? DF Users are weakened by being in water in general whether sea or not
@Tryhard The whole point of using Sierra is to avoid White Out, and get to the harbor faster, it also keeps smoker at bay with all the water she releases during it. The whole "blend with water" doesn't do much in this situation, I was just stating it's secondary ability.

@Acno She can't absorb Water, but she can manipulate other bodies of it, like the Harbor below them
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Well theres the case he can use his Jittle to pin her, and she would need to be enraged to use Sierra (The only thing I remember making her angry is anyone that wants to harm her guild) making Sierra quite unuseful. However has Juvia ever started a battle by encasing herself in water, all I remember is that she subdues the enemy with her water based abilities. Finally she would have to revert back to her real body to attack Smoker seeing that she has not demostrated the ability to use any of her attacks while using Water Body except for Sierra making an opening for Smoker to use White Out. So on he has his Jittle to counter Juvia's Water Body and White Out to counter Juvia's water techniques as a whole by restraining her.
 
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