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Madoka stuff

Thanks to her connection with Homura's shield, Madoka's omnipresence (And the LoC) encompasses the nonexistent multiverse. Why this is interesting? Because this scales to Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen, meaning that she can come back from the World of Witches (At this point, UKG dwarfs her supposed maximum potential which includes everything Madoka can do) whenever she wants to (And she is also willing to do it, as shown by the creation of the AoC). But why she doesn't do that? The answer is provided by the AoC. Madoka intervened because its curses, which are UKG's curses, oppose the law of the world. So i think that this means that Madoka's law manip is the thing that keeps Gretchen at bay.

So "At least multiversal+" range (Can affect the enitirety of the multiverse as well as the nonexistent multiverse) and law manipulation that works on other 2-As. Also worth noting that this means that Madoka is always fighting UKG, despite the fact that she is far weaker.

Don't really know if the LoC encompassing more than the infinite multiverse makes Madoka above baseline 2-A (encompasses the infinite multiverse and can reach the nonexistent multiverse as well)

Gretchen Stuff
UKG should have resistance to conceptual and law manipulation for being able to manifest in her 5-B key (Still worked in the end, but she could at least oppose it without being destroyed instantly) despite the concept of witches being destroyed and the Law of Cycles preventing their existence. Also gets the stuff from Madoka above due to being her superior version.

Base Gretchen should be "At least 5-C, likely low 5-B" via being >>>> her magical girl fourth timeline self who is >>> Walpurgis. Also speed "At least Massively Hypersonic+" via being far above her 4th timeline self, who is far above her third timeline self, who is MHS+. Currently she is scaled from her Final Timeline self but this is baseless.

Kazumi stuff
Kazumi physically overpowered a witch, so her weakest key should scale to 7-C as said witch is at the very least on par with H.N. Elly.

Her post-cannibalism key should be 7-B, simply because a witch formed by 13 magical girls should be leagues above a low tier witch like Oktavia.

Queen Mami stuff
Kal downgrading Mami? What's happening

Given that there is no statement comparing her to Final Timeline Madoka, she should be downgraded to "At least 5-C" via stomping Walpurgisnacht (Kyubey also talk about how her power is far above anything he could have ever predicted, which is how he describes Madoka from timeline 4 onwards). And "At leat Massively Hypersonic+" via being orders of magnitudes above her normal self

Sayaka/Nagisa stuff
Sayaka and Nagisa (in their LoC key) should have Cosmic Awareness on a multiversal+ scale due to their condition as a part of Ult. Madoka's consciousness, granting them awareness of the other timelines
 
Agreed with the changes, although still a bit adamant about the Madoka part
 
Ok, well currently Tsukuyo Amane (AKA Doppel Dum, AKA haxiest Magia Record Girl) has a feat of creating a beam/storm thing from the moon and arrives at the Earth in approx 3 seconds, resulting in Relativistic speeds.
 
Who would scale from it? Honestly I wouldn't scale it to anyone outside of MagiReco tbh. Excluding maybe people like Madoka.

Also we should preferably need a calc to have the exact value

I wonder if I should highlight this
 
Idk, there is also the possibility it is an outlier (Though with Itzli's space travel and Madoka's own light attack, it may be unlikely) or is only for Cherry Blizzard.

I don't have the specific numbers, but it only took ~3 seconds, so .42c ie Relativistic.

I doubt a highlight is needed.
 
I doubt that it's only for Cherry Blizzard. Their Magia isn't a moment when they are super powered or anything, hence why Madoka isn't "6-C via Magical Squall" or something. It could be an outlier, but i'm against being attack speed only

Ok. Could you make a blog? I'd rather get it accepted before discussing scaling.
 
It's nice of you to do this During the 3rd Bolas vs Homura instead of after and causing Bolas vs Homura 4.
 
Homura is like, super unaffected. She gets a range upgrade and that's it
 
@Kal k

Also, should probably add Cosmic Awareness on a Multiversal scale for LoC Sayaka and Nagisa (Are aware of other timelines, their consciousness' are part of Ultimate Madoka Kaname). Also can you either disprove or agree with what I said about the consciousness thing in the Homu vs Lavos thread?
 
Also i was wondering if that means that UKG counts as a non-existent being due to being erased and existing in nonexistence (Never really understood our standards for that tbh)
 
Assuming that it isn't an outlier, Madoka scales because she obviously does, and AoC/False Madoka/UKG scale from her. Tsukuyo scales cuz she did it. Other than that, idk.
 
Also i was thinking that Homura probably doesn't qualify for type 5 anymore, given that originally it was because she can survive being destroyed in body and soul despite having no regen, but the problem is that now she does have regen and abstract existence, which makes the old reasoning moot
 
I think the relativistic speed should scale at least to whoever canonically fought tsukuyo and probably boosted magical girls, but that'd make everything go in circke and scale to almost everyone since

-tsukuyo, along with her sister, fought directly against yachiyo and tsuruno (and they were defeated too)

-both yachiyo and tsuruno, togheter with iroha, fought against mami (which is not boosted)

-as we know, Homura kept up with mami multiple times, and has the lowest rating in-verse

This seems to generate various scaling issues
 
Mami definitely shouldn't scale speed from AoC. Credit to her for not dying instantly, which is better than what almost everyone on Earth did, but the AoC's speed comes from being leagues above people like Mami.

As for the Relativistic stuff, i'm honestly unsure. It's just so ridiculously above all the other speed feats that i'm doubtful
 
I've said this before and I'll say it again, keeping up with something trying it's absolute hardest not to stomp you is not a feat and even then it's an obscene outlier as Mami has fought other magical girls thus making them scale.

Logically, AoC would godblitz before Mami can blink
 
AoC wasn't bloodlusted or anything, it was simply looking for victims. Mami survived a bit mostly because she was cooperating with False Madoka.

Besides, AoC is MHS+, likely higher because it's 97 degrees of "far faster" compared to baseline MHS+. Mami wouldn't have kept up a second if AoC was going for the kill
 
Plot: You are not allowed to immediately blitz Mami despite being stated to be far faster then her and are superior to beings who blitz magical girls

AoC: But I wanna

Plot: NO!

AoC: Fiiiiiiiiinnnne.....
 
Gargoyle One said:
Plot: You are not allowed to immediately blitz Mami despite being stated to be far faster then her and are superior to beings who blitz magical girls
AoC: But I wanna

Plot: NO!

AoC: Fiiiiiiiiinnnne.....


.......

Seems legit. :V
 
Might I add, if Mami really kept up with it, Homura, Sayaka, Kyoko would also scale, and the scaling turns into absolute wack.
 
Tbf even while messing around AoC blitzed Kyoko so still credit to Mami for surviving as much as she did (that one isn't really PIS, the tentacles are indeed much faster, she was simply sniping them from afar)
 
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