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Shalltear Bloodfallen vs Charizard

Charizard wins due to AP difference, if it were closer Shalltear could win due to her versatility in how her lance has a healing effect upon successful strikes and her numerous spells but since Charizard is around 40 times stronger than her (since she scales to Ainz) she's gonna likely get oneshot.

Maybe....if after her resurrection she stops being arrogant (as she likely would against what to her would just some normal "********" dragon.) she will then start off with the best stuff, but....still one hit from him and Shalltear is dead again,
 
'Zard seems to be capable of just outdoing her with something like a Fire Spin, which will constantly one-shot her even if she resurrects. So basically, Charizard for AW's reasons.
 
Mystic Eyes of Charms: It's a type of mind control that charms an opponent who looks into their eyes. It works on targets of the same sex as the user, not just the opposite.
 
ah so since Shalltear is incredibly arrogant, and nothing states that ability of hers is passive OR that she starts off with it, Charizard firespins her and traps her in a column of fire and she dies then resurrects, and then dies again. and since her mindhax wouldnt kill Charizard.


Here's how the event goes:

Shalltear is arrogant ****** and goes to attack Charizard with magic or her lance, Charizard oneshots her with firespin, gets trapped and dies, then resurrects while still inside firespin, uses Mystic Eyes of Charms and then dies again leaving Charizard minhaxxed for all of 2 seconds.
 
The fact that Shalltear is an arrogat makes her more likely to try to charm Charizard for deeming him inapropiate to fight her. She just needs to teleport in front of him and cast the ability.
 
PaChi2 said:
The fact that Shalltear is an arrogat makes her more likely to try to charm Charizard for deeming him inapropiate to fight her. She just needs to teleport in front of him and cast the ability.
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I agree with this.
 
AquaWaifu said:
has she ever started a fight with it?
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Depending on if she thinks its best for the supreme beings. Current shalltear's mentality is more tactical than beginning of series Shalltear, too. She is unlikely to charge against an enemy she doesnt know about and much less one that can use fire.
 
So then its based on the subjectivity of users on here whether or not she would start with it.


Now I ask, ...has she EVER used it to start off a battle?
 
Aside from the resurrection, Shalltear also has time reverse that negates an attack by reversing time and it can be used three times a day.If Charizard one shots then he needs to kill Shalltear 4 times.
 
It was cast I believe, and Reality Slash, which basically was a durability negating slashing technique woulnt not kill her as quickly as Charizard's move which would completely engulf her in flames far stronger than anything she's dealt with.
 
AquaWaifu said:
How can fra be accepted when the reasons have beeen debunked?
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I mean, she is still able to use her charm and I have to ask does Charizard ever start with fire spin? You have to remember this is Charizard fighting without a trainer. Not only are you acting like they have knowledge of each other which they dont you are making it seem like Charizard knows the perfect way to counter. So I am counting both votes since both sides have a way of puttin geach other down.
 
you know I cant answer that, its Pokemon the sheer versaility and that they all generally have access to 4 moves in games makes it impossible to know what any pokemon would START OFF with. like its not even "moves X, Y and Z are unlikely, its more all their moves are ewually likely.

charm is also not passive and no one has yet prove she AT ALL has ever use charm OR time reversal to start off a fight, and unlike Charizard Shalltear is not a collectable monster with a plethoa of moves to limited in game to only 4.
 
Desmiondo said:
Charizard doesn't get mega does he
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No.

@AquaWaifu, I mean you can answer this, we have the anime to go off of. And again nothing suggests that Charizard will start with fire spin, if he does then that is his win if he does not, she has ressurection and is more prepared next time she might even go for the charm in which case she could win. That is why I am counting both votes. Your arguments have not debunked any others because this is how you think Charzard could win, which is okay but of course we dont know charizard will do that. If Charizard had trainers that always started him off with fire spin then I could probably discont their votes.
 
Charizard doesn't NEED to know away to counter Shalltear when literally any move off his will kill her.


and considering Charizard is stronger than even Lord Ainz's best spells outside of world items and stuff that straight up ignores durability like death spells and time spells I highly doubt she'd waste time dodging something from what she would view as a mere beast.
 
AquaWaifu said:
Charizard doesn't NEED to know away to counter Shalltear when literally any move off his will kill her.

and considering Charizard is stronger than even Lord Ainz's best spells outside of world items and stuff that straight up ignores durability like death spells and time spells I highly doubt she'd waste time dodging something from what she would view as a mere beast.
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And as it has been brought up she has a revive spell, only fire spin will continously hit her. If he does not start with that then she has a second chance and can reevaluate her way to win. Look if you believe he wins that is cool I have counted your vote. I am on the fence which is why I made this match, and I see both sides have their reasons.
 
AquaWaifu said:
Charizard doesn't NEED to know away to counter Shalltear when literally any move off his will kill her.


and considering Charizard is stronger than even Lord Ainz's best spells outside of world items and stuff that straight up ignores durability like death spells and time spells I highly doubt she'd waste time dodging something from what she would view as a mere beast.
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Charizard looks like a dragon. Shalltear is weak to fire she would treat him like a fire breathing dragon
 
Actually, in hindsight, this feels like a Sans vs Chara situation. Only in this case, Sans instakills and survives hits, and Chara only has 4 lives. And the charm doesn't stay if she reverses time because they traded off. So I'm gonna Switch back to Charizard, given that she can't easily get her hax off without potentially dying in the process. Flight also makes that charm hard to get off.
 
The real cal howard said:
Actually, in hindsight, this feels like a Sans vs Chara situation. Only in this case, Sans instakills and survives hits, and Chara only has 4 lives. And the charm doesn't stay if she reverses time because they traded off. So I'm gonna Switch back to Charizard, given that she can't easily get her hax off without potentially dying in the process. Flight also makes that charm hard to get off.
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Just remeber that she technically has an unknown number of lives with Time Reverse. But:

S:2

C:2
 
actually no I cant since as with Pikachu and Metwo the anime is seperate from the games.

Plus she will have to make direct eye contact with a flying opponent, which is usually difficult to do do to

and thats one move out of all the spells she can use. Why would she do that instead of say try to use her invisbility spell or wall of stone or mist form, which hell that would actually allow to evade Charizard's next move,


her only way to win is to use charm while all Charizard has to is blast out fire in her general direction.
 
AquaWaifu said:
actually no I cant since as with Pikachu and Metwo the anime is seperate from the games.
Plus she will have to make direct eye contact with a flying opponent, which is usually difficult to do do to

and thats one move out of all the spells she can use. Why would she do that instead of say try to use her invisbility spell or wall of stone or mist form, which hell that would actually allow to evade Charizard's next move,


her only way to win is to use charm while all Charizard has to is blast out fire in her general direction.
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Yeah she has those that she can also use to stall for time. Like I said I have already counted your vote.
 
Not to mention th starting distance is 400m, and most of Shalltear's arsenal that has that range is not going faze Charizard, or he can simply dodge due to flight. And uh she aint making direct eye contact from 400 meters away. Meanwhile Charizard can and will spam the shit out of wide reaching fire moves.
 
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