Randall Flagg Powers

Here's some justification for the Building Level with Magic - Vaporizes or disintegrates this Kid's mom. - Also Lighning Manipulation should be mentioned as specifically noted by MrKingOfNegativity.

Levitation - While he's likely using Telekinesis for that, it's still accepted.

Healing via Magic Medicine - Healing via items is accepted, it's been on many profiles.

Precognition

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Poison Resistance, if not immunity if you want to go there - It generally makes sense, as he's consistently been a poison brewer.

We also have tons of other abilities courtesy of MrKingOfNegativity below :

Death Manipulation.

Subconscious Morality/Willpower/Empathic Manipulation - though i would say mind manip might cover these.

Added justification for toxin and poison resistance.

Resistance to mental manipulation.

The ability to see invisible beings and through illusions.

His Building level rating doesn't actually come from his pyrokinetic abilities. It comes from summoning cloud-to-ground lightning out of nowhere.

Poison manip also has a magic variant; he placed a spell on a book that filled it with poison, basically making it so that anyone who touched it would receive a fatal dose.

Healing, levitation and precog I agree with. Flagg should have Levitation anyway, seeing as he's shown the ability to levitate himself numerous times.

He should also have a few passive abilities that aren't on his profile. Need to get the novel quotes for those. Hang on.

Understandable. I'll add them to the thread once you are done.

Lightning manipulation should be mentioned in the Ap section then.

Found poison or toxin resistance, possibly immunity

Alright, I think I have all of the quotes and scans together. Gonna break these up into multiple comments so that I'm not posting one great big wall of text and imagery.

This'll take a while, so bear with me here.

Death Manipulation

Flagg possesses a minor aura of death. Tom Cullen describes it while under hypnosis.

The Stand said:
He looks like anybody you see on the street. But when he grins, birds fall dead off telephone lines. When he looks at you a certain way, your prostate goes bad and your urine burns. The grass yellows up and dies where he spits.
We later see that what Tom said was not hyperbolic. During a point where he's suffering from amnesia, Flagg's mere presence kills things.

The Stand said:
He turned around. Green jungle seemed to leap out at his eyes, a dark forested tangle of vines and broad leaves and lush, blooming flowers that were (as pink as a chorus girl's nipple)
He was bewildered again.

What was a chorus girl?

For that matter, what was a nipple?

A macaw screamed at the sight of him, flew away blindly, crashed into the thick bole of an old banyan tree, and fell dead at the foot of it with its legs sticking up.

(sat him on the table with his legs stickin up)

A mongoose looked at his flushed, beard-scruffy face and died of a brain embolism.

(in come sis with a spoon and a glass)

A beetle that had been trundling busily up the trunk of a nipa palm turned black and shriveled to a husk with tiny blue bolts of electricity frizzing for a moment between its antennae.

(and starts dippin gravy from its yass-yass-yass.)

Who am I?

He didn't know.

Where am I?

What did it matter?
A nightmare/premonition causes this aura to activate . It kills a nearby guard and causes another to go blind.

The Eyes of the Dragon said:
Fifty miles away, rolled into five blankets against the bitter cold and the roaring wind, Flagg cried out in his sleep at the precise moment Dennis followed the King into the secret passageway. On a knoll not far distant, wolves howled in unison with that cry. The soldier sleeping nearest Flagg on the left died instantly of a heart attack, dreaming that a great lion had come to gobble him up. The soldier sleeping on Flagg's right woke up in the morning to discover he was blind.
Both of the above scenes imply that he has to keep control over this aura himself, at least subconsciously.

In the Dark Tower film (which is a canon sequel to the novels), he shows that he can focus these death-inducing effects through his commands. Saying the word "Goodbye" instantly kills a person.

Subconscious Morality/Willpower/Empathic Manipulation

Turns a hostile tribe of twelve into his willing slaves with nothing but a smile.

The Stand said:
He began to walk—stagger—toward the verge of the jungle. He was light-headed with hunger. The sound of the surf boomed hollowly in his ears like the beat of crazy blood. His mind was as empty as the mind of a newborn child.
He was halfway to the edge of the deep green when it parted and three men came out. Then four. Then there were half a dozen.

They were brown, smooth-skinned folk.

They stared at him.

He stared back.

Things began to come.

The six men became eight. The eight became a dozen. They all held spears. They began to raise them threateningly. The man with the beard-stubble on his face looked at them. He was wearing jeans and old sprung cowboy boots; nothing else. His upper body was as white as the belly of a carp and dreadfully wasted.

The spears came all the way up. Then one of the brown men—the leader——choked out one word over and over again, a word that sounded like Yun-nah!

Yep, things were coming.

Righty-O.

His name, for one thing.

He smiled.

That smile was like a red sun breaking through a black cloud. It exposed bright white teeth and amazing blazing eyes. He turned his lineless palms out to face them in the universal gesture of peace.

Before the force of that grin they were lost. The spears fell to the sand; one of them struck point-down and hung there at an angle, quivering.

"Do you speak English?"

They only looked.

"Habla espa├▒ol?"

No they didn't. They definitely did not habla ******* espanol.

What did that mean?

Where was he?

Well, it would come in time. Rome wasn't built in a day, nor Akron, Ohio, for that matter. And the place didn't matter.

The place where you made your stand never mattered. Only that you were there ... and still on your feet.

"Parlez-vous français?"

No answer. They stared at him, fascinated.

He tried them in German, and then bellowed laughter at their stupid, sheepy faces. One of them began to sob helplessly, like a child.

They are simple folk. Primitive; simple; unlettered. But I can use them. Yes, I can use them perfectly well.

He advanced toward them, lineless palms still turned outward, still smiling. His eyes sparkled with warm and lunatic joy.

"My name is Russell Faraday," he said in a slow, clear voice. "I have a mission."

They stared at him, all eyes, all dismay, all fascination.

"I have come to help you."

They began to drop on their knees and bow their heads before him, and as his dark, dark shadow fell among them, his grin widened.

"I've come to teach you how to be civilized!"

"Yun-nah!" the chief sobbed in joy and terror. And as he kissed Russell Faraday's feet, the dark man began to laugh. He laughed and laughed and laughed.

Life was such a wheel that no man could stand upon it for long.

And it always, at the end, came round to the same place again.
Mere skin contact causes Andrew Quick/The Tick-Tock Man's crippling fear of him to disappear immediately.

The Waste Lands said:
"Call me Fannin," the grinning apparition said. "Richard Fannin. That's not exactly right, maybe, but I reckon it's close enough for government work." He held out a hand whose palm was utterly devoid of lines. "What do you say, pard? Shake the hand that shook the world."
The creature who had once been Andrew Quick and who had been known in the halls of the Grays as the Tick-Tock Man shrieked and again tried to wriggle backward. The flap of scalp peeled loose by the low-caliber bullet which had only grooved his skull instead of penetrating it swung back and forth; the long strands of gray-blonde hair continued to tickle against his cheek. Quick, however, no longer felt it. He had even forgotten the ache in his skull and the throb from the socket where his left eye had been. His entire consciousness had fused into one thought: I must get away from this beast that looks like a man.

But when the stranger seized his right hand and shook it, that thought passed like a dream on waking. The scream which had been locked in Quick's breast escaped his lips in a lover's sigh. He stared dumbly up at the grinning newcomer. The loose flap of his scalp swung and dangled.

"Is that bothering you? It must be. Here!" Fannin seized the hanging flap and ripped it briskly off Quick's head, revealing a bleary swatch of skull. There was a noise like heavy cloth tearing. Quick shrieked.

"There, there, it only hurts for a second." The man was now squatting on his hunkers before Quick and speaking as an indulgent parent might speak to a child with a splinter in his finger. "Isn't that so?"

"Y-Y-Yes," Quick muttered. And it was. Already the pain was fading. And when Fannin reached toward him again, caressing the left side of his face, Quick's jerk backward was only a reflex, quickly mastered. As the lineless hand stroked, he felt strength flowing back into him. He looked up at the newcomer with dumb gratitude, lips quivering.

High Resistance to Poison, Toxins and/or Chemicals

States that Blaine The Mono's biological weapons would have no effect on him.

The Waste Lands said:
"Thank you, Andrew," the dark man said softly. "Now we must step lively—I'm expecting a drastic change in the atmosphere of these environs in the next five minutes or so. We must get to the nearest closet where gas masks are stored before that happens, and it's apt to be a near thing. I could survive the change quite nicely, but I'm afraid you might have some difficulties."
"I don't understand what you're talking about," Andrew Quick said. His head had begun to throb again, and his mind was whirling.

"Nor do you need to," the stranger said smoothly. "Come, Andrew— I think we should hurry. Busy, busy day, eh? With luck, Blaine will fry them right on the platform, where they are no doubt still standing—he's become very eccentric over the years, poor fellow. But I think we should hurry, just the same."

He slid his arm over Quick's shoulders and, giggling, led him through the hatchway Roland and Jake had used only a few minutes before.
This is what those chemicals/toxins/etc. do to people.

The Waste Lands said:
"Blaine, what's that?" Jake asked, but he already knew.
Blaine laughed . . . but made no other reply.

The purple vapor drifted from gratings in the sidewalk and the smashed windows of deserted buildings, but most of it seemed to be coming from manholes like the one Gasher had used to get into the tunnels below the streets. Their iron covers had been blown clear by the explosion they had felt as they were boarding the mono. They watched in silent horror as the bruise-colored gas crept down the avenues and spread into the debris-littered side-streets. It drove those inhabitants of Lud still interested in survival before it like cattle. Most were Pubes, judging from their scarves, but Jake could see a few splashes of bright yellow, as well. Old animosities had been forgotten now that the end was finally upon them.

The purple cloud began to catch up with the stragglers—mostly old people who were unable to run. They fell down, clawing at their throats and screaming soundlessly, the instant the gas touched them. Jake saw an agonized face staring up at him in disbelief as they passed over, saw the eyesockets suddenly fill up with blood, and closed his eyes.

Ahead, the monorail track disappeared into the oncoming purple fog. Eddie winced and held his breath as they plunged in, but of course it parted around them, and no whiff of the death engulfing the city came to them. Looking into the streets below was like looking through a stained-glass window into hell.
Should also be noted that he was one of the few people on the planet (as per the story of The Stand) who was completely immune to the Captain Trips superflu, as he was one of the survivors of its worldwide spread.

Implied Resistance to Telepathy and Mind Manipulation

Flagg regularly uses Maerlyn's Grapefruit for his own gain, as it belongs to the Crimson King and was created by Maerlyn, his (Flagg's) father. It can read the minds and memories of its users, like so.





The scans above also make it clear that the Grapefruit cannot read Flagg's memories; it only finds out that Flagg has been seeing Roland's mother by way of reading Steven Deschain's mind, heavily implying that Flagg himself was able to shield his own mind from it all this time.

Eldred Jonas touched it barehanded exactly one time in the series, but he was affected immediately.

Wizard & Glass said:
He held his hands out patiently, saying nothing, waiting for her mind to accept reality—if she let go, there was some chance. If she held on, very likely everyone in this stony, weedy yard would end up riding the handsome before long.
With a sigh of regret, she finally put the ball in his hands. At the instant it passed from her to him, an ember of pink light pulsed deep in the depths of the glass. A throb of pain drove into Jonas's head . . . and a shiver of lust coiled in his balls.

As from a great distance, he heard Depape and Reynolds cocking their pistols.

"Put those away," Jonas said.

"But—" Reynolds looked confused.

"They thought'ee was going to double-cross Rhea," the old woman said, cackling. "Good thing ye're in charge rather than them, Jonas . . . mayhap you know summat they don't."

He knew something, all right—how dangerous the smooth, glassy thing in his hands was. It could take him in a blink, if it wanted. And in a month, he would be like the witch: scrawny, raddled with sores, and too obsessed to know or care.

"Put them away!" he shouted.

Reynolds and Depape exchanged a glance, then reholstered their guns.

"There was a bag for this thing," Jonas said. "A drawstring bag laid inside the box. Get it."

"Aye," Rhea said, grinning unpleasantly at him. "But it won't keep the ball from takin ye if it wants to. Ye needn't think it will." She surveyed the other two, and her eye fixed on Reynolds. "There's a cart in my shed, and a pair of good gray goats to pull it." She spoke to Reynolds, but her eyes kept turning back to the ball, Jonas noticed . . . and now his damned eyes wanted to go there, too.
And afterwards he went from this:

Wizard & Glass said:
The ball was out of its bag and lay in Rhea's lap. "Anything?" he asked. He both hoped and dreaded to see that deep pink pulse inside it again.
"Nay. It'll speak when it needs to, though—count on it." "Then what good are you, old woman?"

"Ye'll know when the time comes," Rhea said, looking at him with arrogance (and some fear as well, he was happy to see).

Jonas spurred his horse back to the head of the little column. He had decided to take the ball from Rhea at the slightest sign of trouble. In truth, it had already inserted its strange, addicting sweetness into his head; he thought about that single pink pulse of light he'd seen far too much.

Balls, he told himself. Battlesweat's all I've got. Once this business is over, I'll be my old self again.

Nice if true, but . . .

. . . but he had, in truth, begun to wonder.
To this:

Wizard & Glass said:
He grabbed the bag just below the draw top and yanked. Rhea screamed again as the string skinned her knuckles and tore off one of her nails. Jonas hardly heard. His mind was a white explosion of exultation. For the first time in his long professional life he forgot his job, his surroundings, and the six thousand things that could get him killed on any day. He had it; he had it; by all the graves of all the gods, he had the ******* thing! Mine! he thought, and that was all. He somehow restrained the urge to open the bag and stick his head inside it, like a horse sticking its head into a bag of oats, and looped the drawstring over the pommel of his saddle twice instead. He took in a breath as deep as his lungs would allow, then expelled it. Better. A little.
Wizard & Glass said:
Rhea climbed back up, flopped onto the cantboard again with all the grace of a dying fish, and peered around at them, wall-eyed and sneering.
"I curse ye all!" she screamed. It cut through them, stilling their laughter even as the cart bounced toward the edge of the trampled clearing. "Every last one of ye! Ye . . . and ye . . . and ye!" Her crooked finger pointed last at Jonas. "Thief! Miserable thief!"

As though it was yours, Jonas marveled (although "Mine!" was the first word to occur to him, once he had taken possession of it). As though such a wonder could ever belong to a back-country reader of rooster-guts such as you.
Wizard & Glass said:
"Never mind!" Jonas shouted, pulling their attention back to him. He reached out a stealthy hand and caressed the curve at the bottom of the drawstring bag. Just touching the ball made him feel as if he could do anything, and with one hand tied behind his back, at that.
"Never mind her, and never mind them!" His eyes moved from Lengyll to Wertner to Croydon to Brian Hookey to Roy Depape. "We're close to forty men, going to join another hundred and fifty. They're three, and not one a day over sixteen. Are you afraid of three little boys?"

"No!" they cried.

"If we run on em, my cullies, what will we do?"

"KILL THEM!" The shout so loud that it sent rooks rising up into the morning sun, cawing their displeasure as they commenced the hunt for more peaceful surroundings.

Jonas was satisfied. His hand was still on the sweet curve of the ball, and he could feel it pouring strength into him. Pink strength, he thought, and grinned.

"Come on, boys. I want those tankers in the woods west of Eyebolt before the home folks light their Reap-Night Bonfire."
It can suck the minds out of people who anger it, trapping them inside of itself.




Alain states that it's sucked out either A) Roland's consciousness, or B) Roland's soul, but doesn't seem particularly sure which is closer to the truth. The next issue very much confirms it to have been the former.


Not only can Flagg touch the Grapefruit without ill effects (even after he has managed to piss it off in-story), but he proceeds to seal the demon back inside of it with no trouble whatsoever. Said demon makes it quite clear here that this was done against its will.


Also worth pointing out is the fact that Flagg, despite all of his time spent handling the Grapefruit directly, has never once been shown falling under its sway at any point. Make of that what you want, but I think it supports my case.

During his infamous final moments with Mordred, he shows that he is capable of sensing when people have breached his defenses and are reading his mind.

The Dark Tower said:
"You may wonder why I'm here, and not about your father's business," Walter said. "Do you?"
Mordred didn't, but he nodded, just the same. His stomach rumbled.

"In truth, I am about his business," Walter said, and gave his most charming smile (spoiled somewhat by the peanut butter on his teeth). He had once probably known that any statement beginning with the words In truth is almost always a lie. No more. Too old to know. Too vain to know. Too stupid to remember. But he was wary, all the same.

He could feel the child's force. In his head? Rummaging around in his head? Surely not. The thing trapped in the baby's body was powerful, but surely not that powerful.
(Important note: His general overconfidence here comes from the fact that he's currently wearing a "thinking cap" which is designed to block telepathy and psychic attacks. He placed his trust in this thing because, among other showings, it was capable of blocking his own telepathic powers when someone else was wearing it)

When he truly realizes that his mind is being read, his thoughts very much imply that he has his own innate defenses that have been breached in addition to the thinking cap's, as he compares the event to having someone break into his house.

The Dark Tower said:
There's a phrase, the elephant in the living room, which purports to describe what it's like to live with a drug addict, an alcoholic, an abuser. People outside such relationships will sometimes ask, "How could you let such a business go on for so many years? Didn't you see the elephant in the living room?" And it's so hard for anyone living in a more normal situation to understand the answer that comes closest to the truth: "I'm sorry, but it was there when I moved in. I didn't know it was an elephant ; I thought it was part of the furniture." There comes an aha -moment for some folks—the lucky ones—when they suddenly recognize the difference. And that moment came for Walter. It came too late, but not by much.
Y'won't shit on me, will you—that was the question he asked, but between the word shit and the phrase on me, he suddenly realized there was an intruder in his house … and it had been there all along. Not a baby, either; this was a gangling, slope-headed adolescent with pockmarked skin and dully curious eyes. It was perhaps the best, truest visualization Walter could have made for Mordred Deschain as he at that moment existed: a teenage housebreaker, probably high on some aerosol cleaning product.

And he had been there all the time! God, how could he not have known? The housebreaker hadn't even been hiding! He had been right out in the open, standing there against the wall, gape-mouthed and taking it all in.

His plans for bringing Mordred with him—of using him to end Roland's life (if the guards at the devar-toi couldn't do it first, that was), then killing the little bastard and taking his valuable left foot—collapsed in an instant. In the next one a new plan arose, and it was simplicity itself. Mustn't let him see that I know. One shot, that's all I can risk, and only because I must risk it. Then I run. If he's dead, fine. If not, perhaps he'll starve before—
Another final detail is that, even in his failing moments, he was able to briefly hide the fact that he had caught on to Mordred's reading of him, further implying that he can block off his mind from others. (Though Mordred's psychic abilities are too powerful for this to save him in the end)

Invisibility Sight and Illusion Piercing

In one of the scans of the demon of the Grapefruit reading Steven Deschain's mind, it's largely confirmed that the demon's "female" form is invisible to normal people. In fact, said form is never even seen by the reader until The Sorcerer, a story which is exclusively shown from the perspectives of Flagg and the Grapefruit themselves.

This here is another scan of normal people failing to see the demon of the Grapefruit, even when it's right next to them.


We know for a fact that Flagg can see it no matter what, so it's safe to say that he himself is naturally capable of seeing the invisible.

Mia, being a DT-verse succubus, is capable of putting up glamours that fool people into thinking she is someone she's not. According to her, when she first met Flagg, this simply failed to work on him.

Song of Susannah said:
For several moments Mia was quiet, once more gathering the threads of her story. Then she said, "Walter...saw me. Not like other men. Even the ones I ****** to death only saw what they wanted to see. Or what I wanted them to see." She smiled in unpleasant reminiscence. "I made some of them die thinking they were ******* their own mothers! You should have seen their faces!" Then the smile faded. "But Walter saw me."

That's all I've got for right now. Sorry for all the lengthy posts. I know it's a hell of a lot to read through, but I didn't really have any way of shortening things further.

I also believe his seeing Third Eye (which is already featured on his profile) might qualify as Clairvoyance, but I'm not all the way sure.

Oh man. That's a lot...

Yeah...Book quotes are a real pain to use in comments, and there's a lot of material surrounding this guy.

I've been wanting to contain all of his feats and capabilities in a respect blog (along with everyone/everything else in The Dark Tower/Stephen King Mythos), but I haven't had time to compile all of it.

Sorry i haven't taken them down yet, i've been at the beach.

I'll add them to the thread.

Bump

Not gonna be online very much these next few days, if at all. Still, I'd rather this thread didn't die off before it has a chance to be concluded.

Located something new.

There's some confirmation in the Gunslinger's Guidebook supplement on what Maerlyn's Grapefruit did to Roland. It did in fact pull his mind into itself, and the entire sequence where he's trapped in it is a lucid dream on his end.

It says "users who touch the Pink One with blood on their hands", but I dunno whether this is meant to be hyperbolic or literal, seeing as Roland did kill several people prior to being sucked into the Grapefruit, but didn't have any actual blood on his hands. He also shot it immediately beforehand, so there's always the possibility that it decided to just pull him into itself out of anger.
Anyway, given the above, and seeing as Flagg is shown directly manifesting numerous powers during the sequence where Roland is trapped in the Grapefruit, this means his Dream Manipulation is better than initially thought. He also straight-up ejected Alain Johns from this dream-realm with a single move, and made it so that the latter couldn't return for very long without losing his connection to the place. So that's pretty damn cool, I'd say.

Another thing I realized is that the "psychic blasts" on his profile aren't psychic at all. I can't remember what it was that influenced me to write them as such, but they're just vague spells that have varying effects attached to them.

Bump

Most of these additions seem fine from a glance. Flagg has always been an Ahrima type who often has so many random powers it's difficult to make sure you note them all down on the first go.

Yeah, he has a lot of abilities at his disposal. He's one of the few "immortal sorcerer" characters I've run into who really does seem like he's been using those countless years to learn every bit of magic he can, and some of the powers aren't easy to find at first glance thanks to SK's love of using suggestion and subtext instead of blatantly showing things.

There are a bunch of other abilities I haven't listed here, but most of them fall under powers he already has on his profile. (An example being his spell with puts the user into a lucid dream-state, which would probably fall under Dream Manipulation)

Anywho, am I to assume it's alright for me to go ahead and add all of these to his page now?

Summary of the changes would be:

• Levitatio
• Healing via magic medicines
• Precognition via tarot readings and prophetic dreams
• Death Manipulation due having a minor death aura that crops up when he loses control of himself, and also due to being able to kill with magic commands.
• Empathic Manipulation/Morality Manipulation due to eliminating the hostile emotions of a tribe with a smile (while amnesic) and removing Tick-Tock Man's fear with a touch. He should also at the very least have the "Charismatic Persuasion" form of morality manip on his profile, since that's always been part of his character.
• Resistance to toxins and diseases due to surviving the Captain Trips superflu and stating an immunity to Blaine's biological weapons.
• Resistance to Telepathy and Mind Manipulation due to being unaffected when touching Maerlyn's Grapefruit, being implied to have blocked his thoughts from the Grapefruit demon despite her mind reading abilities, and briefly hiding his intentions from Mordred for a few seconds.
• Illusio Negation and the ability to see through Invisibility, due to seeing the otherwise-invisible Grapefruit demon and being able to see Mia's true form past her glamours.
• Improved Dream Manipulation, which will be elaborated upon in his Notable Attacks/Techniques section.
• Removal of the "Psychic Blasts" thing from his Notable Attacks section, since it's not accurate.

I'll probably do his profile a favor and add better descriptions to his Notable Attacks section once I get the go-ahead on this, since some of them are admittedly a bit too vague/poorly explained.

Sorry i haven't gotten to this in a while.

You set the upgrades forward, so that's pretty cool.

Didn't Flagg get a major power boost from what he describes as a rebirth? Pretty sure he got some insane weather powers from it.

Actually, I just got done performing the changes, since Azzy granted me permission on his wall. Let me tell you, Flagg's Notable Attacks section is absolutely enormous now.

That said, I know this is somewhat off-topic, bu some of these changes raise an important question. Roland, as of the most recent media, has been stated twice (and shown once) to be completely immune to all but the most basic of Flagg's magic. Full-stop, the statements themselves explicitly mention magic instead of something like telepathy or psychic powers. Flagg actually says the word "magics" both times, but whoever wrote that into the film's script is a moron.

Shouldn't something like "Resistance to numerous forms of Magic" be added to Roland's profile now?

Nice.

Probably, it does make sense within the series (as i'm aware, i haven't read it for years).

Speaking of Roland, should i add some of the posible abilities for him listed in this thread?

I mean, he certainly wasn't immune to all of Flagg's magic in the timeline that existed prior to the movie, since the sorcerer hit him with a sleeping spell and dream manip'd the living shit out of him in The Gunslinger. But yeah, being resistant to some of his more dangerous hax would explain why he never tried to directly use his powers to destroy Roland at any point. (Seeing as we know for a fact that he wanted him and his ka-tet dead by the end of the fourth book.)

And I'd say he should probably get those abilities added, but I reckon it's best to wait until an admin or someone sees/confirms the evidence before going and doing that. Just to be safe.

So it does make sense for the series. By that logic, resistance to many forms of magics rather than immunity does make sense, i'm pretty sure he's also been affected by other forms of Magic not from Randall as well.

I meant to this thread, not the profile, or maybe a new thread.

Well, he definitely wasn't "immune" (or even all that resistant) to hax as a child/teenager, going by the fact that Maerlyn's Grapefruit affected him just as much as it did everyone else. But remember that the movie is (technically) set after the events of the novels and comics, just in a new cycle of the time-loop that Roland's trapped in. It's also possible that his resistance to magic has simply gotten stronger between the end of the novels and the beginning of the film, to the point that Flagg's powers don't affect him at all anymore.

Adult!Roland already has a separate set of feats for resisting mind manipulation and fighting off illusions that no normal man would be capable of driving away, so it's not like there's no evidence that he had some sort of innate (albeit weaker) resistance to these things already.

Also yeah, sorry. Thought you were talking about adding the powers to his profile. My bad.

That makes a lot of sense in the terms of the series (which are a little shaky to me).

Resistance to various Mental Powers then?

It's fine. I've decided i might not make the thread/changes to this thread, i don't really have enough info, that would probably be reserved for you, i presume you have access to the books, or at least a large source of information. You're also planning to revise the series anyway.

So did Roland get a power boost in the Stand (i believe that was the book, it's something about a rebirth)?

Edit: It's a little late, i'll respond tomorrow if you respond.

Eh, he already has mental resistance on his page. I still think he deserves to have resistance to magic added.

I've got all the books, yeah. Haven't read the last two or The Wind Through The Keyhole in a while (whereas I did a reread on DT novels 1-5 a few months ago), but that doesn't stop me from finding quotes in them when I need to. I also know where to find all the comics and supplemental material online. I'll do a proper CRT on Roland once I have time for it.

You mean Flagg? Roland never showed up in The Stand. But yeah, Flagg was weaker in Eyes of the Dragon (another separate-but-connected novel which is his first chronological appearance), and by the time the events of The Stand take place, he has a lot more power and can do a bunch of things that he outright stated were impossible for him in Eyes of the Dragon. The only thing is that he's plagued by bouts of amnesia throughout that novel and his powers wax and wane for reasons he doesn't fully understand. Both of those issues went away sometime before the events of The Gunslinger, though.

Good point.

Completley understandable.

Yeah, Flagg sorry. So his powers went up and down, and he managed to control it later.

Pretty much. He went from being "sorta powerful but nowhere near unbeatable" in Eyes to being "a lot more powerful but lacking control" in The Stand, then managed to shake off the "lacking control" bit by the point of The Dark Tower and its tie-ins.

It's never really explained why his powers and memories were stuck in a constant state of flux during The Stand, but it probably had something to do with whatever it was that amped him prior to the events of that novel. That's my theory on it, anyway.

Randall did directly describe it as a rebirth, so it might be because it's like he's in a new body, or was the rebirth a non literal term.

Edit: I will read the stand for context.

Bumping this because I have another suggestion.

Shouldn't Flagg have Maerlyn's Grapefruit and Black Thirteen as part of his standard equipment? I mean, he doesn't always use them, but they're things he's shown to have access to quite consistently throughout the series, and more often than not, the times in which he doesn't have them are times when he's left them in the hands of the protagonists as a means of screwing them over.

We have another character whose standard equipment contains an item which she has regular access to, but doesn't always use. Seems like that would be a viable addition here as well, along with a similar note as the one on the other character's profile.

It does count as equipment, even if a sentient teleporter.

Black Thirteen is a lot more than that, but yeah. I'd say it should count as part of his standard equipment, albeit one that needs to be specified during VS threads.

I'll have to go soon, i'll be back in 7-8 hours for this discussion.

Another thing I wanted to touch on.

Is there a possibility that Flagg's commands are just mind control after all? I mean yeah, he refers to the power as part of his "magics" , but the movie's terminology in general is all over the place most likely due to the scriptmakers having passing knowledge on the books/comics at best, and the applications he shows when using the commands could all technically be accomplished with potent enough mind manip. Hell, even the "Goodbye." command could be explained as him directly inducing death through mindhax. (I think Darth Nihilus might be able to do this, actually, but I'm not sure if his powers work the same way)

It's also more consistent with the existing powers he had prior to the 2017 film. We already know he has mindhax, and at a second glance, the above bits about his "death aura" could just be seen as all of his powers going out of whack.

• The bird goes blind and dies from flying into a tree.
• The mongoose dies of a brain embolism. (Which would be consistent with his ability to stop vital functions through commands)
• The bug dies from being fried by electricity. (He has electricity manip)
• The first soldier dies of a heart attack. (Vital functions again)
• The second soldier goes blind. (Which is consistent with the bird)

All this amounts to is a slight change in the description of his commands on the profile, but still. I think it makes the most sense.

Sorry i wasn't back in 7-8 hours, i fell asleep just after i got home.

Subconscious Morality/Willpower Manipulation/Empathic Manipulation/Dream Manipulation/Illusion Creation/Telepathy. Potentially Animal Manipulation = Mind Manip. I believe Possession is MM based.

Levitatio = Telekinesis.

Death Manipulation = Biological Manipulation/Biokinesis and/or Mind Manip.

I think the ability to see through illusions could also be enhanced senses, because that's what his ability to see invisibility is listed as - Or it could be resistance to pyschic invasion in general, such as resistance to mind manipulation and telepathy.

Thought it is of note that some of these are random items with such abilities, rather than all his own, though he does have all these abilities naturally.


Speaking of edits, this is a small one, just the superflu mortality rate being 99.4 Percent, rather than 100, and it being an adaptable virus:

"And that meant 99.4% excess mortality, because the human body couldn't produce the antibodies necessary to stop a constantly shifting antigen virus. Every time the body did produce the right antibody, the virus simply shifted to a slightly new form. For the same reason a vaccine was going to be almost impossible to create".

"99.4%".

This is another small edit, but one that requires much more discussion: The dimness description also says torches sometimes go out, areas become more smoky, or something interesting to look at will appear, among various other things, could that be very very limited probability manipulation in any way shape or form?

In Roland's equipment section, it should be noted that he has bullet's that work as ear plugs.

Here's also some more justificatio for mental/magic resistance for roland.

Transmutation is on his page.

I suppose those effects of dimness could be taken as a form of probability manipulation. I can't really think of any other power we have that's more fitting for the description than that, so that's probably what that is.

Illusions aren't treated as being the same as mind manip in Stephen King's works, so the ability to see through them would be its own power rather than something which is covered by his resistances. But I do agree that it could possibly be listed under his enhanced senses, although it's already listed on his profile as illusion negation.

I think we should keep the abilities he currently has rather than attempting to cover them all under one power. Having them separately categorized helps people understand everything he can do.

I may need to find that part of the book again, but IIRC the "99.4% excess mortality" for Captain Trips isn't them saying that's how likely someone is to die from it. 99.4% is the communicability rate; they were stating that the entirety of that 99.4% affected by Captain Trips would die.

Also, Azzy gave me the go-ahead to edit the description of Flagg's commands, so I'll go ahead and do that now