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Martian Manhunter (Post-Crisis) vs Luke Skywalker
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Does MM lead with Mind screw?
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But Manhunter can mindhax tier 2's.DMUA said:
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Yeah Luke's mindscrew is far weaker then MM
That said. Does MM lead with it?
That said. Does MM lead with it?
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Well Spectre can perceive the entire Universe on subatomic level, and can visualize all posssibilities of a Universe. Mind controlling somebody like him is a pretty damn good feat. I would put it as more impressive as mind controlling a random trillion fodders, given how complex his mind is.DMUA said:
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Does he lead with it, though?
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OK, then MM wins.
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But both lead with mind screw.
Does MM resist the mind screw as well?
Does MM resist the mind screw as well?
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Then inconclusive, it's a who Mind screws who scenario
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No one resisting his telepathy.
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Question: In scenarios like this, how exactly does these two "not having enough mind resistance" prevent there from being a mental struggle between the two if one decides to use their mindhax?
I generally find that to be dumb. That's like saying a character who can swing a sword won't be able to clash with some other person who can swing their sword, or claiming that two trained wrestlers can't possibly engage in a grappling match because the two of them have "no shown resistance to being grabbed".
More to the point though, direct psychic battles are a thing, particularly in DC where such things have actually been shown before. (In fact, I'm almost positive that members of J'onn's own race have been shown engaging in them on at least one occasion) And in those scenarios, it's usually the more skilled and powerful telepath that wins.
I generally find that to be dumb. That's like saying a character who can swing a sword won't be able to clash with some other person who can swing their sword, or claiming that two trained wrestlers can't possibly engage in a grappling match because the two of them have "no shown resistance to being grabbed".
More to the point though, direct psychic battles are a thing, particularly in DC where such things have actually been shown before. (In fact, I'm almost positive that members of J'onn's own race have been shown engaging in them on at least one occasion) And in those scenarios, it's usually the more skilled and powerful telepath that wins.
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I could vote inconclusive, but I am leaning to the guy who has stronger mind hax.
What is the raw number their mind hax? Luke is planetery with illusions and mind tricks and galactic with telepathy.
And MM? I have no clue.
Also, King is right. Psychic battles are a thing. Heck, that is one of the reasons why Cthuhlu won. He has 'stronger' mind hax.
Plus, tired of inconclusive votes. Sure, if there is no counter argument, fine. But this makes me wonder on who has the stronger mind hax.
What is the raw number their mind hax? Luke is planetery with illusions and mind tricks and galactic with telepathy.
And MM? I have no clue.
Also, King is right. Psychic battles are a thing. Heck, that is one of the reasons why Cthuhlu won. He has 'stronger' mind hax.
Plus, tired of inconclusive votes. Sure, if there is no counter argument, fine. But this makes me wonder on who has the stronger mind hax.
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Well, for starters, the "numbers" argument doesn't matter against J'onn. He's one of very few 3-D characters whose telepathy/mindhax works on high-end Tier 2s, a feat which A) was recently agreed to be impossible for a normal person's mindhax to do unless said person has been shown doing so, and B) is qualitatively superior to anything that even the great Sidious himself has done, much less Luke. (and I'm well aware of what the two of them are capable of) And as mentioned above, his mental powers worked on a being who could perceive the entire universe on a subatomic level and visualize all possibilities of a universe, which makes said character's mind astronomically harder to deal with than any normal mind.
But, if you really want to compare his other feats on top of all that:
But, if you really want to compare his other feats on top of all that:
- J'onn has telepathically protected himself from the En'Tarans, who were capable of mentally enslaving the entire population of the planet Rann, and punked the rest of the Justice League with mind control alone.
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plot armormental resistances that have protected them from fairly strong telepaths throughout the current timeline. As anon-PISexample, Green Lantern in particular has resisted a planetary-scale telepath more than once. - J'onn has also mindwiped the entire Justice League at once by himself, so his feat of shielding himself from the En'Tarans is far from an outlier.
- For the record, many of the JL members possess
- He's scanned the minds of everyone on Earth on multiple occasions.
- His telepathy/mind-reading is galactic in terms of reach and scale.
- He's summoned the thoughts of everyone on Earth in an instant and used them to assault another Martian telepath. And this was done while the two of them were on Mars.
- It was revealed that he was subconsciously keeping the entire Martian race (all of whom were telepaths) from moving on to the afterlife after their population died off.
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Hmmm. I guess I will vote for MM. Plus, he has a better variety of experience. He has fought everyone practically. MM via superior mind hax and better experience.
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Same. Voting Martian Manhunter.
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Sorry to break it to you, but last I checked MM is baseline SS. He is 7.0x10^46 joules (unless I am missing a new calc)Js250476 said:
Luke is likely higher, although he does not have the experience to back it up.
Edit: Even if he isnt higher, the two are likely equal.
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Why isnt the Infinite Mass Punch on SS profile then to scale to Martian Munhunter?Js250476 said:
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^Yeah I was about to say, J'onn scales to those. Definitely not "baseline".
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This is my bad, I admit but in my defense, this is not on his profile. I am cool with scaling him to the flash tho, which puts him a at mid end ss.MrKingOfNegativity said:
Not sure if he one shots tho.
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Also, I literally quoted the SS feat for the second one, which is baseline SS.KinkiestSins said:
The infinite mass punch tho scales
Did you look at that calc before you sent it? lul. I even highballed the joules (ugh, brain wake up)
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