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Battle of Identity Crisis: Tamura Akemi vs Homura Kamishiro

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Full Power Homura Kamishiro vs Post-Training Tamura Akemi

You thought it was another Homura match, but no IT WAS A TAMURA MATCH!

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Tamura: 8 (SomebodyData, LazyHunter, Homu Sweet Homu, Kaltias, ZeedMillenniummon89, Gargoyle One, Elione-Arisu, Blanked)

Homura: 1 (DontTalkDT)

Inconclusive:
 
A Battle of Identity Crisis

Very creative battle given the influx of Main Homura threads.

Anyways, stripping down to their Pros / Cons (That work / the other one doesn't have):

Tamura

Pros: Time Stop, Time Travel, Range, Lazy, Stamina

Cons: Has mostly similar hax

Homura: Negates Durability, Regen

Cons: Most of his hax is canceled some way or another (Ie possession won't work as well on an immortal type 6, magic negation would have to touch the soul gem [and that's if he can even touch her])

However, Homura's laziness means she might sleep a bit in time stop only to BFR him from not really wanting to fight, so probably gonna go for her.
 
I'm assuming Homura can summon the Evil Gods as usual?

I don't think range would matter. He can use an ability that bends space so projectiles won't touch him, and he casually crushed space-time at 10% of his power. He could also create ten thousand energy bullets at 30% of his power, so countering ranged attacks shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully, I'm remembering correctly.

I don't even know if magic negation would work, since he has to have knowledge of the magical system Homura's using. Does verse equalization take care of this or what?
 
Tamura doesn't actually spam projectiles, it's a single planet sized energy beam iirc.

Verse equalization means that PMMM magic = UA magic. But it doesn't give him knowledge about it
 
Note: I am only going by profiles for both.


Time stop is the main problem for Kamishiro. One could debate how his time accel would interact with time stop, though.

I think in such a case the powers would more or less fight each other about which gets to decide the time flow. So neither should be fully effective.


Next we should look at how she gets rid of his spirit body, which would be the requirement for beating him. From what I see the only option is BFR. The question is: would that work?

For one thing he can summon Daoloth, the deity that tears the boundaries between dimensions and exists outside of spacetime. That sounds like he could use that to break out of Tamuras pocket dimension. Or otherwise he could just catch a ride by him or Yog-Sothoth and through that return to earth? It isn't exactly a technique mentioned on the profile, not sure how reasonable that is for the verse.


On the other side Kamishiro has spacetime crushing and BFR, which should work well.

It's a difficult match, but I would go with the Fiend Summoner for now, since in speed equal his techniques give a safer kill. (also his summons are High 1-A )
 
Kamishiro has no counter to time stop (his time acceleration only increases his own speed and he wouldn't be able to activate it in a time stop). Dispel only works if the enemy magic is an actual spell with a formula/actual structure, it's useless against magic that's just raw power. His "possession" cannot take over other people's bodies, as mentioned in his page.

His spirit body is not intangible or anything. As his page describes, it's incredibly weak and can be easily destroyed by the half-assed attack of anyone actually strong in his verse so someone on his level would easily stomp it.

Tamura's time stop should give her the win.
 
Tamura's time stop is activated via her shield, not her own power, actually. It works like a hourglass, more or less. When it's upwards, time flows, when it's horizontal it stops, when it's reversed she time travel
 
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Kamishiro has no counter to time stop (his time acceleration only increases his own speed and he wouldn't be able to activate it in a time stop).
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While his time accel usually only increases his own speed, it does so by accelerating time, no? In that case if Tamura stops time, which is essentially slowing down time to a halt, Kamishiro's magic and Tamuras should clash, since they try to influence Kamishiros time flow in opposite ways.

You are of course correct that he can not activate it in time stop.

However, that is giving Tamura the initiative. If Kamishiro uses time accel or a magic that would instantly kill Tamura, like spacetime crushing, I think the fight would go the opposite way.

In the end it seems for me to depend on who takes the initiative of using an decisive technique first.


Do you think BFR can finish off Kamishiro?
 
@DT Tamura also has the abilities of Homura Akemi, which includes Time Acceleration and Deceleration btw
 
@LazyHunter

Aren't souls intangible? Where was it said that his spirit body is tangible like his physical body? If it wasn't directly stated that it's tangible, that just means the characters in the verse can harm souls.

It's true that it can be destroyed easily, but he could also make it infinitely small so he can't be noticed, right?
 
I'm kinda surprised nobody brought up the infamous Homura power drain. Almost every Homura match mentions that after a few replies.
 
Well, Homura can speed himself up to become three times faster, and he can summon someone that can speed things up ten times faster, so that should take care of time deceleration... Probably.
 
@DontTalkDT

There's a pretty stark difference from someone who can accelerate his own personal time 3 times to someone who can literally stop time for everyone. I see no reason his time acceleration technique, which he has never used in-character btw, would allow him to challenge a full time stop. He also hasn't open up a fight with spacetime crush, though he was substantially nerfed in his only serious fight by the fact his regular sorceries would be useless against his enemy, forcing him to rely on Vel and his Great Old One summons, so who knows.

As for the BFR, something like BFR him to a pocket dimension would likely not work, as he could feasibly use Daoloth to break through and return to the real world.

@Burning Full Fingers

"Nevertheless, the likes of you who is nothing more than a dreg right now is not a match of this Michael!"

He immediately materialized <Holy Sword> shining golden in his both hands.

That blade reaching until the heaven was swung to bisect Homura.

――Not a match.

This recognition of Michael was correct.

Even the spirit of the current Homura was inferior, he was an existence that was like the afterglow of the moon that would disappear in the morning.

He had no flesh, not even magic power, just a wraith that was only there.

If he swung the <Holy Sword>, just its wind pressure would be able to blow Homura away.

And after using up some of the little magic power he had his spirit body started to lose even more consistency and become more like air, even admitting someone simply blowing on him would send him flying.

"E, eh!? Why cannot I hug Master!?"

Even when Chikori tried to hug Homura, she was only getting bewildered of her arm that was scratching air.

"The current me is a wraith that will fly away if I'm getting blown. Even the little magic power I carried got completely used up when I took away Shiori. That's why honestly holding Shiori like this is really bone-breaking work here. ――Chikori, I'll leave her to you. Also Vel. Give Shiori something to wear. It's too much for her to keep looking like this."

He could become small, but he would achieve pretty much nothing except slowly waste whatever remains of his magic power and get blown up if Tamura sees him become small and just uses an AoE attack on the area he dissappeared.
 
Okay.

So, if Tamura stops time and BFRs Homura instead of destroying him, if he can escape with Daoloth, can't he use that opportunity to BFR her?
 
Well how does Homura's BFR work? As a reminder, her shield can travel outside the time-space.
 
His BFRs are very telegraphed since they are achieved through his summons Daoloth and Yog-Shothoth, both requiring a significant magic chant of around 5-6 short sentences. Now, it's possible he has the same two skills Sumika displayed that can help chant more effectively (Reverse Spell and Dual Spell) since those are super-high level magician skills and he's supposed to be the best magician in the world, but unless he chooses to use Reverse Spell and manages to distract her somehow with regular words for the entire chant time he's screwed, as nothing stops Tamura from ignoring his words, stopping time again and actually kill him this time now that she knows BFR won't work.
 
tamu's time stop can counter homu's time accel pretty easily. Just like in part six jojo, star platinum can halt made in heaven in time. Except in Tamu case, she doesn't has time limit or her time limit is just that long. she can pretty much one punch him while he couldn't move. Voting for homu-, sorry, voting for Tamura.
 
Addressing a few things here:

Gabriel, who's an ant compared to Homura, shrugged off being sent into a dimension where time, space as concepts didn't even exist. Time-Stop isn't doing anything to Homura, like, really.

Besides, unless you're willing to argue that Daoloth just one day stumbled upon a nice little pocket universe where no time/space or concepts existed at all and made it his home, it's pretty clear that he's the one responsible for the state of his dimension. Which means Homura himself could stop time if he wanted since Daoloth did something even better, especially when you think about the fact that Daoloth did it without even being the "time shenanigans dedicated" summon.

The reason Homura's spirit body was weak when he busted out of Michael is because he used his remaining power to shelter the Tokyo Life Sphere and it's 70~80 million inhabitants inside Eihort's maze. It's stated that creating himself a new body is a trivial matter for Homura in normal circumstances. Heck, the whole point of the end of his fight with Michael was to "die" and weaken himself as much as possible so that Michael wouldn't detect him searching for Shiori inside of his own damn body. Finally ? Even as a wraith he managed to literally bust out of Michael's stomach, which is probably what took the most energy out of him. It's stated that his Spiritual Body's weakness is that he cannot produce Magic Power, aka once he's turned into a Spirit Body he's stuck with whatever energy he had when his body was destroyed., which is utterly irrelevant in the context of a VS as he's just not going to try to do all the things he has done while in Spiritual Body in-canon.

Chants have been repeatedly stated to be used in "compressed time", they're pretty much instant for all intents and purpose. It's not something that's going to matter at all unless there is a huge difference in speed, which isn't the case here obviously.

His page on here is... extremely lacking to be honest.
 
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