Giorno needs to kill him to fully auto loop someone. Without he’s just resetting them once.
There is no magic difference between the Death Loop and other actions,
it's the same ability. All the Deah Loop is, is Diavolo's Death was set to 0, and bro kept it that way.
The Death Loop isn't even treated as a special function in things like guides, it is unironically just us, the western fanbase, that makes the distinction between it and RTZ as a whole, all it is is the act of dying being made so it can't happen, it isn't like he can only do that against dying specifically, and we know damn well it isn't exclusive to that.
And hell, ignoring the anime, we're flatout told King Crimson was negged too, like, as a whole. Ever wonder why Diavolo doesn't summon him again? Bro
can't.
Diavolo showed that the you can acknowledge the reset and be confused by it.
Yes, and
only Diavolo, nobody else.
Mista and Trish were both RTZ'd too, and lacked any knowledge of it, with Mista even saying he has no idea what GER did to win.
This is important as Mista took several actions, long
before time skip was used (as in "mista doesn't remember because that happened in time skip", isn't actually the case, he did everything beforehand), and yet he wasn't aware he already loaded up his gun, aimed, and fired them already. If what you say is true, Mista would know, he'd remember, and he'd be like wtf i just did that why am I back here, but he doesn't because only Diavolo remembers, not even Giorno knows about RTZ (as said in GoGo), but he would if he suddenly relived the past minute again. Nobody but Diavolo and GER is aware RTZ ever happened.
Why though? GER wanted Diavolo to recognize his **** up, that's the whole point and premise of Part 5. If Diavolo was like everyone else and didn't remember his deaths, him getting shit talked about fate, the results, and more, what would even be the point? What I'm getting at is, yeah Diavolo remembers, and he's the clear exception, and he's the exception because plot.
In the case with Zeno, GER has zero reason to do so here, RTZ just kicks in, and then Zeno can't take that action.
not actually being hard prevented from doing an attack. It’s kinda like how Dio continuously moved polnareff down a set of stairs. He gets to do stuff afterwards and try again, it just isn’t really resulting in any meaningful results.
If a specific action is taken, that action then becomes unable to happen. Even if said action is fated to occur such as the visions, something the guides tell us will never happen now.
False equivalence, Dio physically moving a dude is not the same as if Polnareff tried walking up the stairs. In fact, that might be a good example, but not in the way intended. If RTZ made it so the act of Polnareff reaching DIO atop the stairs was 0, yeah Pol could try, but he'd never reach actually get to Dio, and would be set back each time he was about to.
If RTZ stops Zeno from using EE, he will never be able to reach the conclusion of that action (that being using the EE, unless for some reason they just let him?), the same way Diavolo can never die, never use time skip, or even summon his Stand ever again. All 3 different things that he simply can not do, only one of which is the "death loop".
When it comes to Giorno using a different animal, he’s never come close to trying even when it would be extremely convenient.
Yes he has? He's shown multiple times to whip out animals best suited for the job when faced with an unprecedented situation.
Whether it be using a specific type of plant because nothing else can grow due to the cold or a snake to extract an antidote from using its white blood cells by creating a creature born from a toxic environment, Gio is no stranger to adapting and using the right type of animal, and he's done so in far more exotic situations than "snake bite cant puncture, so use a animal that doesnt bite". And hell, we know he is willing to use poison to kill, he sent a whole ass snake like dozens of km just to bite a dude, killing him.
You say convient but like, when really was it needed, or he had a chance?
Bruno. I mean yeah he could've but that'd be dumb and it was like his first fight.
Polpo. Poison would make it obvious he was killed, not suicide.
Mario. Gio didn't even know where he was and was taken out.
Illuso. Impossible, on all fronts.
Ghiacchio. Bro's wearing a suit of armor, and it was so cold he couldn't even make animals.
Baby Face. Uh, idk maybe? Like it'd have worked, but Gio spent most of that fight being cut up into cubes and then ass pulled a whole new way to use his ability to heal himself. he then sent a snake to poison the main body tho.
BIG? Stand that's already dead, would eat any animal he made.
Ciocollata? Never really got a chance, bro was almost never in range to use any animal, he had to like ricochet a bullet into him from behind, and at that point, he won.
Diavolo? Bro would never touch it, Gio couldn't even touch him with one even if he wanted to.
Stands. Those things don't give a damn about organic poison, just see Whitesnake smashing poison dart frogs and not giving a ****, while any human who touched them was effected nigh instantly.
You say he's never come close, but he has, he's like literally one step off from having done exactly that, bro just needs to make a poison dart frog or something.
but I’m pretty sure if a character just never comes anywhere close to doing something we have to assume they won’t even if it would make sense to other people to do so.
Depends on the character, context, and past precedence. Gio is a genius who is shown to be highly adaptive, using his ability in all sorts of ways, including straight up poisoning dudes, and even making up whole new ways to use it like healing. He's shown a wealth of knowledge over animals as well. It isn't a NLF to say "hey, he'll probably make a plant or animal that can poison without needing to break skin".
I’ll lean to a mismatch then. I don’t think Zeno is really counted as incapacitated, so it just comes down to how much characters are allowed to stretch out from what they have shown (and I’ve been told repeatedly that they really can’t in versus threads)
This isn't exactly the same as saying Gio will make a bunch of damage-reflecting T-Rexs and don an armor made of frogs, now THAT is some bullshit, like yeah he could, but he hasn't done shit close to that, that's what people mean when they say things like that.
I'm just saying he'd probably eventually just make something like a poison dart frog, and we know he's willing to poison, and we know he can make poisonous animals, because he has.
This is more like saying someone like Batman would use the tools he has, in a way he's willing to, in a way he can, if his usual methods don't work, and he's smart, adaptive, and knowledgable enough to do so in the presented way.
Zeno EE the entire timeline which is history EE, which mean he EE Giorno across all point in time, instantly, GER can't counter thing like that unless it have Immeasurable speed
Bruh, that isn't even how it works in DBZ, by that logic the ToP would have never happened because the worlds were gone before the arc even started, or all of DB as a whole because Trunks timeline was deleted, so the past should've been gone, meaning he'd never have went back to the past.
He has to actually USE the EE first my dude.
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