Hmmm if ger can really do this my vote goes to incon
But i think ger needs to contact with the enemy before he can rtz we have no evidence to support him being able to just "rtz ez" on anyone at any given time.
example:
I'm neutral for now
He very much doesn't need contact, in that instance, RTZ activated automatically without any conscious thought from GER or Gio in order to stop Diavolo from striking them, and then promptly negated is effect on GER. GER never touched Diavolo at all before that point, or while it was happening.
We also see RTZ effect more than just Diavolo, such as Mista and Trish, RTZ'ing them too nearly half a minute before Diavolo even used time skip
aka it wasnt just time skip reverting and them going along for the ride, Mista was forced to reload his gun and fire again and didn't even realize he had already done that before, despite said action happening before time skip. And that's without even getting into the whole Death Loop.
Should also mention RTZ has power null, and Zeno himself is only 3D even if a few of his powers 5D
who let dbz fans cook, like actually wtf , meaning, yeah sure RTZ might not be capable of stopping the EE
unless it's bound by causality, but it most certainly can stop Zeno himself from using it in the first place, in much the same way Diavolo couldn't use King Crimson anymore.
But like, wtf can GER do? He can't hurt him, and the secret tech of age manip won't work on a ******* immortal, and even if it did, at the rate GE's age manip works, it's only a few decades over a handful of seconds, which is enough to kill a human in seconds, but even against someone that has like a 10,000y lifespan, it'd suddenly take nearly a minute, then imagine someone like Zeno who's been around for time immemorial, even if the age manip would work, it'd take so long to age him to death that Gio would die from old age first.
All GER does is make it so Zeno can't get an attack off, and then they sit there doing nothing because that's all either can do tbh. I see dudes talking about poisons, and like, I guess he could make some dart frogs or something, but idk that seems like an argument, even though it's technically possible ig, is only being made because this match kinda sus ngl.
but Giorno doesn’t do that in character.
He does use poisons though so we know that's a tactic he's willing to use, he's just never had to find a way to use a poison that is injected via other methods like contact or ingestion, but I don't think it'd take him long to realize he has next to no options and thus should try using his actual ability that he's used a handful of times before and just pick a animal that works.
(age, lack of food, pure exhaustion)
None of which would happen, at least for RTZ. Giorno or GER dying isn't going to free Diavolo from his RTZ for example, that shit hard confirmed to be going on forever, which indirectly tells us that once set up, its sustainability is insane
probably why RTZ's sustainability is incomparable to existing stands, a chunk of which have abilities that continue on even after death or forever.
If GER puts Zeno in a loop, it will last for all eternity, because we've been told as much in effectively every piece of material featuring GER ever made.
And it goes without saying RTZ doesn't lead to exhaustion, again, Diavolo had his act of dying set to 0 so it could never occur, and now it just doesn't, Gio doesn't get drained each time Diavolo dies is what I'm saying. If Zeno had his act of trying to EE RTZ'd in the same vain, lil bro would be better off just leaving.
and since Zeno is still preforming a move, he wouldn’t be out of the fight for incap. He’ll still be trying to attack Giorno it’ll just take days to years to land (not because it’s slowed down, but I mean, Giorno dies and the pseudo loop stops), but he’s still attacking the whole time.
See above, if we take him being unable to land his attack as incap, then it most definitely is given he'll never be able regardless of Gio.
Giorno has to kill you to put you in a full auto loop last I checked.
That is true unfortunately, it's confirmed he killed Diavolo in the initial pummel in guides, and he RTZ'd his death here, initiating that loop. Which makes sense, how can he RTZ the act of dying, if the mf wasn't dying? It isn't like GER has Death Manip and he can just magic you to drop dead. Now how the death happens doesn't matter, but he
does need the foe to be in the act of dying.
Though I can see arguments for why GER should work and how it could be incap. I’m barely leaning towards Zeno right now after the longest and dumbest fight ever.
Idk man, if we're going with GER RTZ'ing Zeno, it only has to happen once against a specific action and then that thing will never come to pass.
tbh id just say incon,
that or this match is a hilarious mismatch and should never be touched again (which it is, why ya'll humor this for 2 pages), but if we go the poisons would work route due to no res, obviously it isnt gonna take Gio 80 years to figure that out.
