Zeno Resistances

[Udlmaster]

If Zen'o is impossible to kill by any means within the setting, should he get Invulnerability instead?

The issue is because Invulnerability often entails a lot of NLFs.

Best just "Resistance"

 

[Dragomer]

If Zen'o is impossible to kill by any means within the setting, should he get Invulnerability instead?

I think resistance is better, it's dragon ball after all, even hax can just be stronger and overcome resistance, like how Zeno just erased people harder than destruction energy and stuff like that.

 

[AwkguyDB]

Yeah Resistance for sure. Who's to say Zarama or whoever created Super Shenron in the future and pimp slap the little pipsqueak.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.

 

[Dragomer]

Cool so it's fine to add ?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

If it's been accepted, could someone list what resistances would need to be added. I can add it.

 

[Udlmaster]

If it's been accepted, could someone list what resistances would need to be added. I can add it.

Resistance to Sealing, Time Stop, Gravity Manipulation , Power Nullification, Empathic Manipulation, Absorption, Telekinesis, Poison, Paralysis Inducement, Mind Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Absolute Zero, Void Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Transmutation, Magic, Illusion Creation, Electricity Manipulation, Chi Manipulation, Pressure Points.

 

[Dragomer]

If it's been accepted, could someone list what resistances would need to be added. I can add it.

As far as i can tell, it's been accepted unless i misunderstood.

So in the whole 'harm or take out permanently' we have : resistance to : existence erasure, transmutation, absorption, sealing, reality warping, matter manipulation, whatever Hit's technique count as (durability negation maybe ? space manipulation ?), paralysis inducement, Gravity, Power Nullification, Empathic Manipulation, Absorption, Telekinesis, Poison,Inducement, Mind Manipulation, Heat, Absolute Zero, Void Manipulation , some type of BFR (like Whis's staff dimension, Zeno should be able to resist or circumvent that though i'm not sure if it count), age manipulation (within what Whis can do, since it's on his page, not sure what it refers to),.

And i think that's all, at least that all i can think of in the 'harm or take out permanently / for a long time' categorie, i could be wrong though or have missed some stuff.

That's not as many hax as one would imagine for a show big as DB.

 

[PowerToScale]

I mean, Zeno could have resistence to time stop as he was able to see the entire fight between goku and hit during the uni 6 VS 7 arc. And during the ToP he never commented about hit using his time abilities or anything stopping him from seeing him fight.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@Ant

Could you unlock Zen'o's profile?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I honestly think Zen'o should also be 2-B, because the multiverse is accepted to be 2-B via Trunks' statement of how the multiverse works, and his profile states he can destroy the multiverse in both anime and manga, but I guess that's for another thread.

 

[Dragomer]

I honestly think Zen'o should also be 2-B, because the multiverse is accepted to be 2-B via Trunks' statement of how the multiverse works, and his profile states he can destroy the multiverse in both anime and manga, but I guess that's for another thread.

Yeah, better not bring it up in this thread, it would only derail it even if it's pretty much finished.

 

[Ionliosite]

I honestly think Zen'o should also be 2-B, because the multiverse is accepted to be 2-B via Trunks' statement of how the multiverse works, and his profile states he can destroy the multiverse in both anime and manga, but I guess that's for another thread.

That's only on Dragon Ball Xenoverse and Heroes, which aren't canon, so they can't be on the profile.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@lonliosite

Trunks' statement from the DBZ manga was used as justification for Xenoverse and Heroes, alongside everything else.

 

[Ionliosite]

@lonliosite

Trunks' statement from the DBZ manga was used as justification for Xenoverse and Heroes, alongside everything else.

First, there's no such thing as a "DBZ manga". Second, said statement has never been used in canon and ourtight contradicts the databooks explaining the timelines and the Time Rings shown on canon series like Super.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Ok.

 

[Dragomer]

As i said, let's not derail the thread now, just finish this whole resistance business and another thread can be made if someone has something to say.

 

[DanielX7]

Yeah Resistance for sure. Who's to say Zarama or whoever created Super Shenron in the future and pimp slap the little pipsqueak.

That's make no sense!

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Xenoverse zamasu implied SS couldnt harm Zeno but guess we cant use that.

Anyway if Zenos profile can be unlocked I can add the mentioned resistances

 

[Antvasima]

I have unlocked the profile. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, you should preferably add the resistances at the end of the powers and abilities section.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I am all up for it, but only for stuff that in anyway should be able to harm or kill Zen'O. The implication of the quote is obviously about killing Zen'O. A case can be made for sealing so I don't mind, but I am not sure how time and illusion manip fall in tjere.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

I still disagree. There is no one stronger than him, I admit, and he should get resistance to Void Manipulation and Existence Erasure seeing how he survived his own Erase ability, but there could be ways of defeating him without pure raw energy. The SDBs have been stated to do anything with no limitations by an omniesent character, and there is no indication that the Magic Touch or Stone Spit would have no effect on him. Ginyu's body change would also likely work. Unless you are explicitly stated or shown to be unaffected by something, you don't get resistance to it.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Also, Shin did not say that "nothing in existence can harm Zeno in any capacity, and that there is no methods to kill him in all of existence", he said that he should absolutely still be around no matter what, as there was no way anyone could defeat him. Keep in mind, Shin is not omniescent, and has no way of knowing about Boss Rabbit's Magic Touch or GGinyu's body switching ability. Also, the same as been said of the SDBs, which have repeatedly been stated to be capable of granting anything with no limitations at all. And don't give me the "Zeno erased Zamasu after he wished for immortality" thing, yeah, he erased him from existence. Zamasu wished for immortality, which keeps you from being killed. Being killed and erased froom existence are totally different things. Zamasu didn't wish for immunity to his erase ability. Heck, in the Heroes manga, it's implied that Zamasu actually survived the Erase and returned as a cyborg because of that, with the Erase only banishing him temporarily.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@Ant

Alright, I added the resistances. This can be closed.

 

[Udlmaster]

I am all up for it, but only for stuff that in anyway should be able to harm or kill Zen'O. The implication of the quote is obviously about killing Zen'O. A case can be made for sealing so I don't mind, but I am not sure how time and illusion manip fall in tjere.

Zeno should easily be strong enough to break through Hit's timeskip and Time prison ability with ease like Goku did.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Hit's Time abilities explicitly don't work on beings vastly stronger than him. This was made clear in the manga. He managed to improve his abilities to work on stronger beings who created a bigger power gap, but that limit could still be passed. We have no indication that Guldo's time stop as such a limit, so it could possibly work on Zeno. We don't really know, though.

 

[Antvasima]

I will close this then.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait hold up this was accepted? I moved this to the CR board to be nice but I expected this to be rejected.

No. We have never ever ever done this for any character prior without showing resistances (Khorne is the closest thing I've seen to that and even then it's incomparable) and we're not sucking Zeno here.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

The changes were already made, so they would have to be undone.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The changes were already made, so they would have to be undone.

I don't mind that.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I wanted to say before it was done

No, as far as we understand it, Zen'O is not stronger than anyone in the normal dragon ball sense. That's a dumb premise, especially dumb when the main reason he's so high up in the hierarchy is a hax ability, that he's never been portrayed as powerful otherwise, and blatant things like being unable to follow the more powerful fighters in the Tournament. Saying Zen'O resists something because of AP when he's the big boi in Dragon Ball because of hax is really, really dumb.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

I do admit that he should be highly resistant to Void Manipulation/Existence Erasure, seeing how he was completely unharmed from being in the epicenter of his own Erase attack.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

No, he wasn't aiming at himself when he was erasing stuff. That's like saying you should resist transmutation because you transmute everything in an area around yourself and you are at the center not getting transmuted.

 

[Frieza_force_soldier_100]

Okay. Well, you will need mod approval to get these resistances removed.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Cal already agree with remove those resistances.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It would merit discussion rather than removing it right away, of course.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I agree with Cal, how was this accepted with literally no feats?

 

[Yellowpig10]

I like how everyone agreed to add it and now everyone agrees to get rid of it

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I mean, cal and Sigurd weren't really here before and this was closed outright after like a day talking about it. Cal was just for a moment after moving it away.